I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Duke or Wake Forest fan?

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Would probably lead to many FCS programs closing or dropping to D2 rules with few if any scholarships. NCAA funds the FCS playoffs as well as D2 playoffs.

(07-12-2014 01:16 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Duke or Wake Forest fan?

No. Why do you ask?

(07-12-2014 01:23 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Would probably lead to many FCS programs closing or dropping to D2 rules with few if any scholarships. NCAA funds the FCS playoffs as well as D2 playoffs.

Would that be a bad thing?

(07-12-2014 01:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:23 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Would probably lead to many FCS programs closing or dropping to D2 rules with few if any scholarships. NCAA funds the FCS playoffs as well as D2 playoffs.

Would that be a bad thing?

NC State would have trouble completing a schedule.

(07-12-2014 01:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:16 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Duke or Wake Forest fan?

No. Why do you ask?

Because you do not disclose your teams.

Why should any schools give their basketball money to the NCAA? There are two money making sports for most schools and the rest have to be operated on that revenue (Baseball and Hockey excepted in some areas). Why should the NCAA be entitled to any of it at any level of competition? If schools want to compete in sports let them form their own rules committees and governance structures as each sport requires some different parameters. Let the schools keep all of their earnings and support the non revenue sports out of their profits. Then schools can control their expenses better and keep red ink in athletics from affecting other areas of their mission.

Agree but the way the NCAA is currently structured is more like socialism or communism rather than capitalism. There are way to many leech schools sucking off the tities of those earning the money! Also, the NCAA administration adds no real value to College sports in general!

(07-12-2014 02:02 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:16 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Duke or Wake Forest fan?

No. Why do you ask?

Because you do not disclose your teams.

That's because I don't have any.

(07-12-2014 01:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:16 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Duke or Wake Forest fan?

No. Why do you ask?

Many posters think everybody has an agenda

(07-12-2014 04:02 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:16 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Duke or Wake Forest fan?

No. Why do you ask?

Many posters think everybody has an agenda

Many do, so that why it is important to know, who the poster is and what they are about. I am a hard core Louisville Cardinal fan.

(07-12-2014 04:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 04:02 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:16 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Duke or Wake Forest fan?

No. Why do you ask?

Many posters think everybody has an agenda

Many do, so that why it is important to know, who the poster is and what they are about. I am a hard core Louisville Cardinal fan.

I don't know how important it is, but what possible agenda could link Wake Forest and/or Duke to the topic of this thread?

(07-12-2014 05:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 04:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 04:02 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:16 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Duke or Wake Forest fan?

No. Why do you ask?

Many posters think everybody has an agenda

Many do, so that why it is important to know, who the poster is and what they are about. I am a hard core Louisville Cardinal fan.

I don't know how important it is, but what possible agenda could link Wake Forest and/or Duke to the topic of this thread?

Total mid-major level football facilities and attendance.

(07-12-2014 05:24 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 04:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 04:02 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  No. Why do you ask?

Many posters think everybody has an agenda

Many do, so that why it is important to know, who the poster is and what they are about. I am a hard core Louisville Cardinal fan.

I don't know how important it is, but what possible agenda could link Wake Forest and/or Duke to the topic of this thread?

Total mid-major level football facilities and attendance.

I don't get it. Or do you have an agenda you're not sharing?

(07-12-2014 05:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:24 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 04:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 04:02 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Many posters think everybody has an agenda

Many do, so that why it is important to know, who the poster is and what they are about. I am a hard core Louisville Cardinal fan.

I don't know how important it is, but what possible agenda could link Wake Forest and/or Duke to the topic of this thread?

Total mid-major level football facilities and attendance.

I don't get it. Or do you have an agenda you're not sharing?

No, Duke has a great basketball program but does not care to spend enough money to take football to the next level. Wakes facilities, do I need to say more?

(07-12-2014 05:29 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:24 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 04:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Many do, so that why it is important to know, who the poster is and what they are about. I am a hard core Louisville Cardinal fan.

I don't know how important it is, but what possible agenda could link Wake Forest and/or Duke to the topic of this thread?

Total mid-major level football facilities and attendance.

I don't get it. Or do you have an agenda you're not sharing?

No, Duke has a great basketball program but does not care to spend enough money to take football to the next level. Wakes facilities, do I need to say more?

What does that have to do with the idea that the NCAA should stop sponsoring football?

(07-12-2014 01:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:23 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Would probably lead to many FCS programs closing or dropping to D2 rules with few if any scholarships. NCAA funds the FCS playoffs as well as D2 playoffs.

Would that be a bad thing?

NC State would have trouble completing a schedule.

Says the power that keeps scheduling Wofford, Furman, South Carolina State, The Citadel, Presbyterian.

(07-12-2014 08:22 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:23 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't mean to suggest that schools in the NCAA might drop football. Just that the NCAA might consider no longer sponsoring it, governing it, or including it in its criteria for membership.

What if they just say that football is sufficiently unique in college athletics that they will no longer have any role in it? If members want a governing body, or bodies, let them form their own, and make their own rules.

This would allow them to retain a meaningful role in all other sports, including their cash cow, men's basketball. The major players in CFB could go their own way for that sport, and establish divisional membership criteria that both respect tradition and make competitive sense.

Thoughts?

Would probably lead to many FCS programs closing or dropping to D2 rules with few if any scholarships. NCAA funds the FCS playoffs as well as D2 playoffs.

Would that be a bad thing?

NC State would have trouble completing a schedule.

Says the power that keeps scheduling Wofford, Furman, South Carolina State, The Citadel, Presbyterian.

Counting 2014 Clemson has played a total of 17 BCS/P5 programs in scheduled OOC games (not bowls) in the past 10 years. One of the three years where two weren't on the schedule Clemson played TCU, who finished 12-1 and ranked #6 that year.

NC State has played 9 in the same time-frame. Or about half as many.

You were saying?

(07-12-2014 09:02 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 08:22 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 01:23 PM)billings Wrote:  Would probably lead to many FCS programs closing or dropping to D2 rules with few if any scholarships. NCAA funds the FCS playoffs as well as D2 playoffs.

Would that be a bad thing?

NC State would have trouble completing a schedule.

Says the power that keeps scheduling Wofford, Furman, South Carolina State, The Citadel, Presbyterian.

Counting 2014 Clemson has played a total of 17 BCS/P5 programs in scheduled OOC games (not bowls) in the past 10 years. One of the three years where two weren't on the schedule Clemson played TCU, who finished 12-1 and ranked #6 that year.

NC State has played 9 in the same time-frame. Or about half as many.

You were saying?

However, the fact remains that as great as Clemson is in football you are still scheduling South Carolina State, Wofford, etc., etc. You are doing that despite having great teams and loads of talent. NC State has an excuse - a bad coach, and a lack of talent, moreover LSU dropped a series with us to play Syracuse.

What seems more amiss, a bad OOC schedule for a team coming off a 3-9 season, or a 12-2 Clemson squad still scheduling SC State, Wofford, The Citadel, etc?

As great as Clemson is, why don't you play 4 P-5's a year?

Incidentally you remember that WVa team that hung 70 on you - it's funny but we beat then in their bowl just the year before they killed you and you embarrassed the entire league. By the way your poor OOC scheduling cost you an NCAA basketball bid last year. Perhaps you need to improve on that and we will improve on our football OOC.