ToT is finally right about one thing. Ignore is the best option. There certainly is no harm in ignoring the children whining from the kiddie pool while the adults are having a conversation.

(07-16-2014 12:53 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 10:02 AM)Rojogrande Wrote:  C'mon now ToT.

Just because what you said may be true, doesn't mean it has to be said again and again and again and again. You are correct that you did not tactfully give facts, but success is a matter of perception to people as well. Of course there are universal accolades where being successful is agreed upon by all parties. However, where some programs might find winning 20 games as a successful season, others do not. Just because people disagree with their definition of success doesn't make either party wrong.

Now with all that said. Chill the heck out dude. Everyone knows you are passionate about the Tops. But if you wouldn't go around like a message board hard ass spouting **** obscenities then people might actually listen to what you have to say instead of you constantly defending yourself and your "facts".

I'm sure you remember who I am in real life. You know my passion for the Tops. But there is no need to constantly go into every thread looking to start a bickering war. You gotta learn to have a filter some man.

You will have to reintroduce yourself to me. I am bad enough with names, but toss in screen names and good luck. As for this situation, I still see no wrong from anyone in this thread.

A smut fan said they had a great coach, admitted they didn't have success, but claims to be successful, 11-15 against the tops may be the most successful stretch in smut history, I don't know. I guess I should stop crapping on middle and enjoy the fact that a losing record against us can be considered success.

Maybe he is a great coach to Middle fans. He is certainly the first coach to get them to the NCAA tournament in decades. While I agree with you in principle that he isn't that good of a coach and that is partially why he gets exposed in tournament time. Constantly pointing that fact out does nothing but start an issue in a thread where there was not one previously.

You ever heard of the phrase "act like you have been there before"? Let MTSU fans beat their chest about beating us the last couple seasons more then we have beaten them (something that wasn't even mentioned in this thread until you started your attack). Fact is we can act like we have been there before because we have won enough games against them to do so.

This is one time ToT did nothing wrong and he wasn't the first to start the back and forth...

ToT was the easy target

Here's the 1st shot in post 4 and the 6th post...ToT was post #7

I understand calling someone out for some of the things...but maybe some of you should use the same tact you are preaching and hold off doing that on post that need to be called out.

In my opinion this wasn't one of those times. What ToT did was what we all do..yes even the people calling him out. BEAT OUR CHEST when it comes to our rivals

(07-14-2014 09:26 PM)ToppersInDaVille Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 08:51 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 08:56 AM)Niner National Wrote:  man, MT really loaded up on guards.

I'm excited to see how all the new faces come together at MT this year.

Same - this team could be really good or only mediocre, depending on how it all comes together. Here's hoping it's the former... Got a good slate in the works and a great coach at the helm.

OK, I can't resist. "Great coach?"

SMH

(07-14-2014 11:06 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 09:26 PM)ToppersInDaVille Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 08:51 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  [quote='Niner National' pid='10896391' dateline='1405000562']
man, MT really loaded up on guards.

I'm excited to see how all the new faces come together at MT this year.

Same - this team could be really good or only mediocre, depending on how it all comes together. Here's hoping it's the former... Got a good slate in the works and a great coach at the helm.

OK, I can't resist. "Great coach?"

SMH

Great X's and O's coach. Success-wise, not "great". Depends on what you're looking at...

And if you look at MT versus WKU in Davis' term, he has been great for sure!!

(07-15-2014 12:47 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  Not to start a pissing match but MTSU's definition of great against WKU is going 11-15 against the Tops since Davis took over. Absolutely incredible accomplishment Frogger, way to go!

Anyone that would suggest that MT is historically on par with WKU has a screw loose, it's not even close and don't think anybody has said so.

To win 7 of the last 8 games against Western, has given a huge shot in the arm to program with little or no MBB history, it has gone a long ways to enerigize a fan base, help the team get better recruits and actually get people in the stands to watch 'that other team' that plays in the Murphy Center.

Middle started this fortunate run against WKU in the 09-10 season,some of the players that were on the Hilltoppers that roster that season were: A.J Slaughter, Jamaal Crook, Stephfon Pettigrew and Jeremy Evans and have continued on this mini-run against players like: Sergio Kerush, Kalil McDonald, George Fant, T.J Price and Derrick Gordon.
All of these have been all-conference and/or all-tourney team selections at least one time in their careers and for some to say that Middle has only had success because of 'rag-tag' teams that WKU assembled is very demeaning to players, coaches and fans of MTSU and gives absolutely no credit to the people who accomplished this feat. We can only hope to recruit those types of 'rag-tag' players.

Yes, it is true that MT's last 3 seasons have been the best in program history, but 10-11 team finished 16-16, with a lose to Houston Baptist and were only 4 days removed from that game, when the team was able to beat WKU in the Boro and sweep the season series, WKU lost twice to very mediocre BB team.

It's great to have WKU back in the same league, everybone gets a little more jacked-up when were about play and it also puts more fannies in the seats when we do.

LaTech and UTEP are going to be considered the 2 best teams in the league in the pre-season polls and rightly so, but WKU returns an outstanding team and will have a major say in the league race. MT will have probably the best collection of offensive talent that they have ever had, but blending in so many new and inexperienced players will be a major task for the coaching staff, it will come down to how they defend and rebound.

(07-16-2014 02:04 PM)BigSkyGuy Wrote:  Anyone that would suggest that MT is historically on par with WKU has a screw loose, it's not even close and don't think anybody has said so.

To win 7 of the last 8 games against Western, has given a huge shot in the arm to program with little or no MBB history, it has gone a long ways to enerigize a fan base, help the team get better recruits and actually get people in the stands to watch 'that other team' that plays in the Murphy Center.

Middle started this fortunate run against WKU in the 09-10 season,some of the players that were on the Hilltoppers that roster that season were: A.J Slaughter, Jamaal Crook, Stephfon Pettigrew and Jeremy Evans and have continued on this mini-run against players like: Sergio Kerush, Kalil McDonald, George Fant, T.J Price and Derrick Gordon.
All of these have been all-conference and/or all-tourney team selections at least one time in their careers and for some to say that Middle has only had success because of 'rag-tag' teams that WKU assembled is very demeaning to players, coaches and fans of MTSU and gives absolutely no credit to the people who accomplished this feat. We can only hope to recruit those types of 'rag-tag' players.

Yes, it is true that MT's last 3 seasons have been the best in program history, but 10-11 team finished 16-16, with a lose to Houston Baptist and were only 4 days removed from that game, when the team was able to beat WKU in the Boro and sweep the season series, WKU lost twice to very mediocre BB team.

It's great to have WKU back in the same league, everybone gets a little more jacked-up when were about play and it also puts more fannies in the seats when we do.

LaTech and UTEP are going to be considered the 2 best teams in the league in the pre-season polls and rightly so, but WKU returns an outstanding team and will have a major say in the league race. MT will have probably the best collection of offensive talent that they have ever had, but blending in so many new and inexperienced players will be a major task for the coaching staff, it will come down to how they defend and rebound.

While we have occasionally had high level players since your streak began, most of them were left over from HorNIT. What talent we had was absolutely squandered by a Head Coach who had zero qualifications to lead a program like WKU. Nice to know that Ken McDonald did so much to help build your program, he lives in Texas should you want to send him a thank you. Let Harper get his recruits and play a season without loads of injuries, and we will see how the world stands.

(07-16-2014 02:04 PM)BigSkyGuy Wrote:  Anyone that would suggest that MT is historically on par with WKU has a screw loose, it's not even close and don't think anybody has said so.

To win 7 of the last 8 games against Western, has given a huge shot in the arm to program with little or no MBB history, it has gone a long ways to enerigize a fan base, help the team get better recruits and actually get people in the stands to watch 'that other team' that plays in the Murphy Center.

Middle started this fortunate run against WKU in the 09-10 season,some of the players that were on the Hilltoppers that roster that season were: A.J Slaughter, Jamaal Crook, Stephfon Pettigrew and Jeremy Evans and have continued on this mini-run against players like: Sergio Kerush, Kalil McDonald, George Fant, T.J Price and Derrick Gordon.
All of these have been all-conference and/or all-tourney team selections at least one time in their careers and for some to say that Middle has only had success because of 'rag-tag' teams that WKU assembled is very demeaning to players, coaches and fans of MTSU and gives absolutely no credit to the people who accomplished this feat. We can only hope to recruit those types of 'rag-tag' players.

Yes, it is true that MT's last 3 seasons have been the best in program history, but 10-11 team finished 16-16, with a lose to Houston Baptist and were only 4 days removed from that game, when the team was able to beat WKU in the Boro and sweep the season series, WKU lost twice to very mediocre BB team.

It's great to have WKU back in the same league, everybone gets a little more jacked-up when were about play and it also puts more fannies in the seats when we do.

LaTech and UTEP are going to be considered the 2 best teams in the league in the pre-season polls and rightly so, but WKU returns an outstanding team and will have a major say in the league race. MT will have probably the best collection of offensive talent that they have ever had, but blending in so many new and inexperienced players will be a major task for the coaching staff, it will come down to how they defend and rebound.

I agree with almost everything you've posted above and I owe apologies for the misunderstanding behind my use of "ragtag". The folks that know me know that I've NEVER, ever disparaged a WKU player on a message board and will never because that's not the type of person I am. Once they've worn a WKU jersey they will always be Hilltoppers. My use of "ragtag" was meant to imply the team was ragtag, not the players and in no way was meant to disparage the teams we faced and lost to during that period. A win is a win and I'm always one of the first to acknowledge the other team for their win. I don't rely on excuses. A loss is a loss and if we're not prepared, not playing well, or prepared and playing well, the other team deserves the credit for the win. Because of the unimaginable number of injuries we had for two years, we had several top quality recruits not playing the positions they were recruited for or were playing a different style of play that was not best suited for their skills. The "team" appeared out of sync so many times because of the lack of healthy bodies. At one point, we even had two football players recruited midseason from the football team to give us enough bodies to even practice.

(07-16-2014 05:07 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:04 PM)BigSkyGuy Wrote:  Anyone that would suggest that MT is historically on par with WKU has a screw loose, it's not even close and don't think anybody has said so.

To win 7 of the last 8 games against Western, has given a huge shot in the arm to program with little or no MBB history, it has gone a long ways to enerigize a fan base, help the team get better recruits and actually get people in the stands to watch 'that other team' that plays in the Murphy Center.

Middle started this fortunate run against WKU in the 09-10 season,some of the players that were on the Hilltoppers that roster that season were: A.J Slaughter, Jamaal Crook, Stephfon Pettigrew and Jeremy Evans and have continued on this mini-run against players like: Sergio Kerush, Kalil McDonald, George Fant, T.J Price and Derrick Gordon.
All of these have been all-conference and/or all-tourney team selections at least one time in their careers and for some to say that Middle has only had success because of 'rag-tag' teams that WKU assembled is very demeaning to players, coaches and fans of MTSU and gives absolutely no credit to the people who accomplished this feat. We can only hope to recruit those types of 'rag-tag' players.

Yes, it is true that MT's last 3 seasons have been the best in program history, but 10-11 team finished 16-16, with a lose to Houston Baptist and were only 4 days removed from that game, when the team was able to beat WKU in the Boro and sweep the season series, WKU lost twice to very mediocre BB team.

It's great to have WKU back in the same league, everybone gets a little more jacked-up when were about play and it also puts more fannies in the seats when we do.

LaTech and UTEP are going to be considered the 2 best teams in the league in the pre-season polls and rightly so, but WKU returns an outstanding team and will have a major say in the league race. MT will have probably the best collection of offensive talent that they have ever had, but blending in so many new and inexperienced players will be a major task for the coaching staff, it will come down to how they defend and rebound.

I agree with almost everything you've posted above and I owe apologies for the misunderstanding behind my use of "ragtag". The folks that know me know that I've NEVER, ever disparaged a WKU player on a message board and will never because that's not the type of person I am. Once they've worn a WKU jersey they will always be Hilltoppers. My use of "ragtag" was meant to imply the team was ragtag, not the players and in no way was meant to disparage the teams we faced and lost to during that period. A win is a win and I'm always one of the first to acknowledge the other team for their win. I don't rely on excuses. A loss is a loss and if we're not prepared, not playing well, or prepared and playing well, the other team deserves the credit for the win. Because of the unimaginable number of injuries we had for two years, we had several top quality recruits not playing the positions they were recruited for or were playing a different style of play that was not best suited for their skills. The "team" appeared out of sync so many times because of the lack of healthy bodies. At one point, we even had two football players recruited midseason from the football team to give us enough bodies to even practice.

Thank you for your response, I have no axe to grind with WKU, most of the fans are good people and enjoy being able to watch them compete against MT in many sports. Looking forward to renewing the rivalry on Sept 13, the first of many battles between the 2 schools.

I'm just glad we are back together. It's the way it should be. Being competitive with each other will help as well. Love to dislike you all but love to sit at the same table too. Go Tops.

i won't disparage any of our players on an individual basis but last year's TEAM had the least amount of pure athleticism i.e. speed, jumping ability that i personally ever remember.

even the matt killprogram squads had some pure athletes. i'm pretty sure that ken 'pol pot mcdumny' mcdonald may have been worse than matt killprogram. and that's saying a ton.

anybody that thinks they'll be facing a ken mcdummy type squad this year will be in for a rude awakening. i'm not predicting a stellar year. i'm just saying the days of blowing by any defender on our team is over.

i can't say we'll be a good shooting team but we should be able to defend now.

and that's a step in the right direction.