It's the off season…

LINK: http://sportspolitico.com/2014/07/07/why...dd-usfucf/

Fun fact: I made that ucf / usf picture in Photoshop last year. Made it for the Facebook group advocating college gameday coming to Orlando for the inaugural aac war in I4

(07-10-2014 12:25 AM)fade2blac Wrote:  It's the off season…

LINK: http://sportspolitico.com/2014/07/07/why...dd-usfucf/

I can't help but think that *IF* the Big 12 takes a Florida it will be one not two. There are other options that provide good college TV markets and new recruiting for the Big 12. Cincinnati, of course, would be one of those schools. Tulane, with it's apparent commitment, would be the other. BYU since it seems to really (I mean really) want to be in the Big 12 now. So maybe UCF and one of those. And, frankly as a fan, I think Memphis has an outside chance although not a good one.

I don't really see the Big12 expanding in the next few years but if and when they do and if they look into a Florida taking both USF and UCF makes more sense than just adding one and creating another single outlier like they did with WV. As the I-4 rivalry grows it makes taking both even a bigger gain. But there are also other choices out there . It will be determined by growth in next few years and who TV thinks will be the bigger gain. Expansion will still be driven by tv dollars.

Agree that this will be TV driven. With that, I do hope the Big 12 is worried about getting too spread out during the new expansion if it comes. If so, Cincinnati and Memphis would be naturals.

This blogger, people have been posting his stuff over on the realignment board.

(07-10-2014 06:14 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I don't really see the Big12 expanding in the next few years but if and when they do and if they look into a Florida taking both USF and UCF makes more sense than just adding one and creating another single outlier like they did with WV. As the I-4 rivalry grows it makes taking both even a bigger gain.

Agree about the Big 12 being unlikely to expand in the next 5 or so years, but disagree about if they do, being likely to take both UCF and USF. Florida isn't really an "outlier" to anyone, as everyone wants to play there, not like West Virginia. Heck, there's only about 400 miles separating Texas from Florida anyway, they aren't even geographically that far apart.

UCF and USF likely would be perceived as redundant.

If the Big 12 expands I feel confident ucf would be 1 of the 2 and likely usf being the 2nd pick. Highly unlikely the big 12 is expanding unless forced to have a minimum team number for the league though.

Think about where the presidents want to take their free travel? Think about the large markets Florida and the recruits in orlando and tampa.

Well besides this topic being kind of worn out, i'll just say that UCF would be considered a great candidate if you bring B12 Officials on campus.

A lot of recruits have that perception about UCF at first, 'Yeah, i'll take an unofficial visit in a month or two,' and once they do, they almost always leave impressed or wanting to take an official at the end.

I love Cincy, and Memphis, but I don't see how B12 adds them as a number one unless they pull a L-ville and win everything at every sport, every year.

If they wanted to go to Florida, they'd probably grab FSU like was rumored a couple years ago.

If B-12 picks up 2, it's gotta be BYU & Conn
with Kansas insisting on BB,
NM, Cin & Memphis might be considered
there 7 schools in Fla, 5 would sign 1for1 deal with B-12 school tomorrow.

Isn't there an entire realignment board for this?

FWIW, I think all signs point to the fact this article was written by that John01992 guy on the CR board. See the board for details.

it feels strange agreeing with quo but he's right, they won't add ucf and usf, 1 or the other,

they aren't cutting 2 pieces of the pie for essential 1 new p5 sized market, reading his argument (which is weak btw) all his points could be easily added with just 1 Florida

and this guy needs to wake up and realize recruiting ground, local rivalry (that has only played 5 times) and making the least influential member (wvu) happy aren't reasons why P5 expand

with that argument im guessing the p5 are considering FAU/FIU?

keep in mind the SEC turned down florida state because they felt adding them was unnecessary with 1 florrida (and fsu is no lite weight)

if the big 12 had no choice but to expand today they take byu and cincy, the 2 known commodities. the big 12 doesnt want byu but would take them if their hand was forced. ucf had a great season but that makes a total of 1 season of "national" revelance, they wont make a lifetime decision of what could "potentially" be a flash in the pan. if the expansion is in 5 years and ucf remains successful and grows it brand/reputation it will be them (or usf if they do it) and take another eastern team who's grown its brand the most in that time period

I've long been saying ever since A&M went to the SEC that the B12 should plant a flag in Florida. Obviously as things stand today their first choice would be UCF, but I honestly think that both schools would be a very smart move. WV has shown that islands are bad... plus, with both you really cement central florida and two major metropolitan areas, plus almost every B12 team could visit Florida annually (by playing either UCF or USF).

Usually at this point people throw some comment at me about the tandem not adding enough to the B12 financially to be worth the addition, but I don't buy that. Both USF and UCF have now shown they can already play with the big dogs on the field (although USF regressed a wee bit). Put both in the B12 and watch the attendance and support blast through the roof.

I'm not sayin' it's going to happen, and it probably wont (at least anytime soon), but I think it's a more attractive option than non-floridians are willing to admit. WV has a strong Florida connection already.

(07-10-2014 08:26 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  If B-12 picks up 2, it's gotta be BYU & Conn
with Kansas insisting on BB,
NM, Cin & Memphis might be considered
there 7 schools in Fla, 5 would sign 1for1 deal with B-12 school tomorrow.

conn? not unless the school moves south a couple hundred miles and uconn becomes good in football..

despite perception the big 12 is good in basketball and had 7 of the 10 make the tourney last year, they dont need uconn basketball boost as much as they need football reputation to increase

(07-10-2014 08:26 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Isn't there an entire realignment board for this?

its the offseason and no one required you to click on it

(07-10-2014 08:47 AM)Bull Wrote:  Usually at this point people throw some comment at me about the tandem not adding enough to the B12 financially to be worth the addition, but I don't buy that. Both USF and UCF have now shown they can already play with the big dogs on the field (although USF regressed a wee bit). Put both in the B12 and watch the attendance and support blast through the roof.

Here I am on cue....

The bottom line these days is money, and the Big 12 is locked into a very nice TV deal through the 2024-25 season. They only expand before then if ESPN/Fox feel the additions (and the potential championship game) are worth dishing out more money for. I just don't see any schools that would add upwards of $40 million per year to the deal.

(07-10-2014 08:47 AM)Bull Wrote:  I've long been saying ever since A&M went to the SEC that the B12 should plant a flag in Florida. Obviously as things stand today their first choice would be UCF

I don't see that as obvious at all. I have no idea why some around here think a P5 conference, particularly one that isn't under the gun to expand, would care much about how a school's football team has done in the last season or two. That's trivial information in the big picture.

(07-10-2014 08:25 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  If they wanted to go to Florida, they'd probably grab FSU like was rumored a couple years ago.

Really? IMHO the b-12 is in no position to poach any p-5 member, but rather at risk for further poaching. Remember, the b-12 lost mizzou, Texas A&M and Nebraska to other p-5 leagues. They failed to add any previous p-5 member, TCU did not belong to a p-5 conference at the time of their addition. I believe the b-12 is perceived as the weakest of the p-5 conference by objective observers.