(07-08-2014 09:53 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:17 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:46 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  OOC games will be very important, which is why it is important for us to not schedule body bag games. There's two factors here:

1. Avoid FCS games if possible
2. Avoid playing Alabama/LSU/Oklahoma/OhioSt/FSU etc

We have played Oklahoma, almost beat them in Cincy, actually should have picked off Ohio State once. We have 2 more with Ohio State. Lots of chatter that we are going to play Alabama as soon as next season, maybe a home and home.

I agree.

Never play an FCS, esp not a top ten one like N Dakota State. If we dp play one we better beat them bad.

We need to avoid everyone in the SECW, FLA, UGa, USCe, Mich, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, FSU, Clemson, Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA. Who did I miss. We need to schedule and beat the weak sisters of every big money conf. like a rented mule. Load up on all the old big east schools, lol.

YES! YES! YES! Then, if one of ours is chosen, we'll beat the hell out of whatever team the P5 sends to the access bowl!

everyone in the west except mississippi schools, lol.

(07-08-2014 09:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:53 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 09:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:17 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 10:46 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  OOC games will be very important, which is why it is important for us to not schedule body bag games. There's two factors here:

1. Avoid FCS games if possible
2. Avoid playing Alabama/LSU/Oklahoma/OhioSt/FSU etc

We have played Oklahoma, almost beat them in Cincy, actually should have picked off Ohio State once. We have 2 more with Ohio State. Lots of chatter that we are going to play Alabama as soon as next season, maybe a home and home.

I agree.

Never play an FCS, esp not a top ten one like N Dakota State. If we dp play one we better beat them bad.

We need to avoid everyone in the SECW, FLA, UGa, USCe, Mich, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, FSU, Clemson, Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA. Who did I miss. We need to schedule and beat the weak sisters of every big money conf. like a rented mule. Load up on all the old big east schools, lol.

YES! YES! YES! Then, if one of ours is chosen, we'll beat the hell out of whatever team the P5 sends to the access bowl!

everyone in the west except mississippi schools, lol.

Don't know -- Ole Miss' top 15 recruiting classes might be ready to contribute --- maybe we should add them to the 'don't play' group?

Its very important to win the OOC games, but not just so we show that some teams can compete but to have more bowl eligable and winning programs in the conference.

Four out of fourteen SEC teams had losing records last year we only had four with winning records. To up the perception of the AAC we need to win OOC, have our top four teams undefeated, 1 loss or two losses however the schedule allows. After that we need the middle of the conference to win their OOC and have 6 plus wins and maybe 2 or 3 teams with a losing record if the schedule allows that.

Its more than OOC, ha ing only four winning programs and the perceived anchor UlL leaving we look worse. No matter what the reality is. It would also be nice to have two or three ranked teams to bring up the ole prestige.

Then of course have a Bette bowl season than last year.

JMHO, and I know easier said then done bjt we need a stronger middle class at least to up everyone's SOS.

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:21 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:12 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  It is just a small factor. The AAC is screwed no matter what, however by chance if UC, UCF or ECU can somehow go undefeated they have a "shot" at the playoff and a good chance at the Access Bowl. Long term it is meaningless...

I think that's right. The Power 5 has already settled the question for football. And if any one of us gets really good there (football) on an on-going basis they could very well get the call up to the big leagues. Otherwise they'll continue to play in the access bowl.

completely disagree with both of you..
everythng in college sports in perception and building on that perception.
SEC was being called the greatest before they were the greatest and built off of that till it became true.

lets say we dominate our OOC, beat 80% of the p5, our perception dramatically increases, our conference game will all be given better time slots, all the media outlets will definitely pay attention, we'll have numerous teams in the top 25 .. that will dramatically improve recruiting in this league

and your league probably recruits more than your coaches.

that will definitely imorive our tv value, even games this year, as when its time to renogtiate , we can bring them a list of the teams were are competing with & show them our value. and who you are beating will definitely be important to the networks especially if they intend to brand our leagues name along with their network.

to me ooc means the most in defining our faith, and directly correlates to everything else (you beat the "big boys" more casual fans will show)

and the 4 team playoff is set for 12 years but the access system is only set up for 6, how we perform could potential modify that in 2020

Seriously?

80% of P5 games?

(07-08-2014 11:13 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:21 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:12 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  It is just a small factor. The AAC is screwed no matter what, however by chance if UC, UCF or ECU can somehow go undefeated they have a "shot" at the playoff and a good chance at the Access Bowl. Long term it is meaningless...

I think that's right. The Power 5 has already settled the question for football. And if any one of us gets really good there (football) on an on-going basis they could very well get the call up to the big leagues. Otherwise they'll continue to play in the access bowl.

completely disagree with both of you..
everythng in college sports in perception and building on that perception.
SEC was being called the greatest before they were the greatest and built off of that till it became true.

lets say we dominate our OOC, beat 80% of the p5, our perception dramatically increases, our conference game will all be given better time slots, all the media outlets will definitely pay attention, we'll have numerous teams in the top 25 .. that will dramatically improve recruiting in this league

and your league probably recruits more than your coaches.

that will definitely imorive our tv value, even games this year, as when its time to renogtiate , we can bring them a list of the teams were are competing with & show them our value. and who you are beating will definitely be important to the networks especially if they intend to brand our leagues name along with their network.

to me ooc means the most in defining our faith, and directly correlates to everything else (you beat the "big boys" more casual fans will show)

and the 4 team playoff is set for 12 years but the access system is only set up for 6, how we perform could potential modify that in 2020

Seriously?

80% of P5 games?

im not saying we actually do it

but if by chance we did, it would instantaneously change the perception of this league

(07-08-2014 11:10 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  At least nobody voted .......we're already screwed..........yet.

Very important, but not critical is my vote.

1. Win / or at least be extremely competitive in OOC games. I agree with the poster NothingBuKnight.........we should avoid FCS as much as possible as well the top dogs of the "Contract" conferences. OOC schedules should consist of mid-tier contract conference teams (GT, Va Tech, Miss St, Florida, etc) schools and the top dogs of the non-contract conferences (Boise, Fresno, Marshall, etc.). Winning these type games consistently and playing well in conference should guarantee the Access slot and we might even sneak into the playoff one year. Winning the Access Bowl each year makes a statement all by itself.

2. Attendance. Fans need to show up.......period. TV execs like full / raucous stadium crowds. Traveling to bowl games to support your teams is a must. It doesn't matter what the bowl is. Are you there for the bowl or there to support your team? Personally I travel to support my team and a great destination or bowl is just icing on the cake.

3. Continue to invest (barring financial struggles). Infrastructure. Advertising. Support to the school and its athletic programs. But spend wisely.

4. Win championships in something other than football. Every school in the AAC has just about as good a chance to win a National Championship in any sport other than football as the contract conferences do (see UConn), that helps to build the "brand" of both the school and the conference.

5. Continue to improve the academic / research standing of each of our universities.

6. Convince BYU / Air Force it is in their best interest to join the AAC to go to 14. Then personally, Colorado St and Army would even the conference out nicely at 16 and place all three of the academies in the American. I agree to some extent with others that have stated it would be more difficult for the contract conferences to blow off the "academies", much less the rest of us, in a breakaway.
BYU / Colorado State / Air Force / Houston / SMU / Tulsa / Memphis / Tulane
USF / UCF / ECU / UConn / Cincinnati / Navy / Army / Temple

Just my thoughts on the subject

I voted very important and I approve this ^^^^ message.

It's the 2nd most important factor in my opinion. 1st being getting the Access Bowl slot 75% of the time or more.

As a factor to the goals you're talking about, not much.

Results on the field for one season are nothing that can't be explained away by those that control the national perception, media, money, bowls, etc.

How many times did the BE dominate in bowl season only to have it shrugged off by everyone who didn't root for our conferences?

With that said, who cares what everyone else thinks. If we win a bunch of OOC games and have some great conference battles and send a quality representative to an access bowl, I'll enjoy the heck out of it no matter what my TV tells me.

I said critical because if our schools are not successful in OCC games it will hurt the chances of whoever is the champ to get that Access Bowl bid and that should be the goal every year

It is critical to have numerous P5 wins.

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:21 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:12 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  It is just a small factor. The AAC is screwed no matter what, however by chance if UC, UCF or ECU can somehow go undefeated they have a "shot" at the playoff and a good chance at the Access Bowl. Long term it is meaningless...

I think that's right. The Power 5 has already settled the question for football. And if any one of us gets really good there (football) on an on-going basis they could very well get the call up to the big leagues. Otherwise they'll continue to play in the access bowl.

completely disagree with both of you..
everythng in college sports in perception and building on that perception.
SEC was being called the greatest before they were the greatest and built off of that till it became true.

lets say we dominate our OOC, beat 80% of the p5, our perception dramatically increases, our conference game will all be given better time slots, all the media outlets will definitely pay attention.....

The problem I have with this causal chain is that we have powerful recent evidence that it just isn't so: From 2005-2011, The Big East was quite successful on the football field against other AQ conferences. Objective indices like Sagarin show that we were at least as good as the B1G and ACC during that time, arguably better than both. And we often did it on the biggest stages, in BCS bowl games.

And yet ... we were derided as the "Big Least" throughout that whole time. At no point did national media or public perception about the Big East rise in any significant way. We were pretty consistently ridiculed by the media, there were frequent calls to revoke our AQ status, and we never got better TV slots for our games, etc.

So maybe this time around will be different, but ....

(07-09-2014 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:21 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:12 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  It is just a small factor. The AAC is screwed no matter what, however by chance if UC, UCF or ECU can somehow go undefeated they have a "shot" at the playoff and a good chance at the Access Bowl. Long term it is meaningless...

I think that's right. The Power 5 has already settled the question for football. And if any one of us gets really good there (football) on an on-going basis they could very well get the call up to the big leagues. Otherwise they'll continue to play in the access bowl.

completely disagree with both of you..
everythng in college sports in perception and building on that perception.
SEC was being called the greatest before they were the greatest and built off of that till it became true.

lets say we dominate our OOC, beat 80% of the p5, our perception dramatically increases, our conference game will all be given better time slots, all the media outlets will definitely pay attention.....

The problem I have with this causal chain is that we have powerful recent evidence that it just isn't so: From 2005-2011, The Big East was quite successful on the football field against other AQ conferences. Objective indices like Sagarin show that we were at least as good as the B1G and ACC during that time, arguably better than both. And we often did it on the biggest stages, in BCS bowl games.

And yet ... we were derided as the "Big Least" throughout that whole time. At no point did national media or public perception about the Big East rise in any significant way. We were pretty consistently ridiculed by the media, there were frequent calls to revoke our AQ status, and we never got better TV slots for our games, etc.

So maybe this time around will be different, but ....

Well said and it is why West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Louisville all left.

(07-09-2014 10:09 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:21 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:12 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  It is just a small factor. The AAC is screwed no matter what, however by chance if UC, UCF or ECU can somehow go undefeated they have a "shot" at the playoff and a good chance at the Access Bowl. Long term it is meaningless...

I think that's right. The Power 5 has already settled the question for football. And if any one of us gets really good there (football) on an on-going basis they could very well get the call up to the big leagues. Otherwise they'll continue to play in the access bowl.

completely disagree with both of you..
everythng in college sports in perception and building on that perception.
SEC was being called the greatest before they were the greatest and built off of that till it became true.

lets say we dominate our OOC, beat 80% of the p5, our perception dramatically increases, our conference game will all be given better time slots, all the media outlets will definitely pay attention.....

The problem I have with this causal chain is that we have powerful recent evidence that it just isn't so: From 2005-2011, The Big East was quite successful on the football field against other AQ conferences. Objective indices like Sagarin show that we were at least as good as the B1G and ACC during that time, arguably better than both. And we often did it on the biggest stages, in BCS bowl games.

And yet ... we were derided as the "Big Least" throughout that whole time. At no point did national media or public perception about the Big East rise in any significant way. We were pretty consistently ridiculed by the media, there were frequent calls to revoke our AQ status, and we never got better TV slots for our games, etc.

So maybe this time around will be different, but ....

Well said and it is why West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Louisville all left.

Not exactly the only reasons why most of those left.

(07-09-2014 10:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 10:09 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:21 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I think that's right. The Power 5 has already settled the question for football. And if any one of us gets really good there (football) on an on-going basis they could very well get the call up to the big leagues. Otherwise they'll continue to play in the access bowl.

completely disagree with both of you..
everythng in college sports in perception and building on that perception.
SEC was being called the greatest before they were the greatest and built off of that till it became true.

lets say we dominate our OOC, beat 80% of the p5, our perception dramatically increases, our conference game will all be given better time slots, all the media outlets will definitely pay attention.....

The problem I have with this causal chain is that we have powerful recent evidence that it just isn't so: From 2005-2011, The Big East was quite successful on the football field against other AQ conferences. Objective indices like Sagarin show that we were at least as good as the B1G and ACC during that time, arguably better than both. And we often did it on the biggest stages, in BCS bowl games.

And yet ... we were derided as the "Big Least" throughout that whole time. At no point did national media or public perception about the Big East rise in any significant way. We were pretty consistently ridiculed by the media, there were frequent calls to revoke our AQ status, and we never got better TV slots for our games, etc.

So maybe this time around will be different, but ....

Well said and it is why West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Louisville all left.

Not exactly the only reasons why most of those left.

Sure it was, access to the best bowls and TV contract money drove it all.

(07-09-2014 10:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 10:09 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:21 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I think that's right. The Power 5 has already settled the question for football. And if any one of us gets really good there (football) on an on-going basis they could very well get the call up to the big leagues. Otherwise they'll continue to play in the access bowl.

completely disagree with both of you..
everythng in college sports in perception and building on that perception.
SEC was being called the greatest before they were the greatest and built off of that till it became true.

lets say we dominate our OOC, beat 80% of the p5, our perception dramatically increases, our conference game will all be given better time slots, all the media outlets will definitely pay attention.....

The problem I have with this causal chain is that we have powerful recent evidence that it just isn't so: From 2005-2011, The Big East was quite successful on the football field against other AQ conferences. Objective indices like Sagarin show that we were at least as good as the B1G and ACC during that time, arguably better than both. And we often did it on the biggest stages, in BCS bowl games.

And yet ... we were derided as the "Big Least" throughout that whole time. At no point did national media or public perception about the Big East rise in any significant way. We were pretty consistently ridiculed by the media, there were frequent calls to revoke our AQ status, and we never got better TV slots for our games, etc.

So maybe this time around will be different, but ....

Well said and it is why West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Louisville all left.

Not exactly the only reasons why most of those left.

It's debatable. E.g., if in 2011, the Big East had signed a new media deal worth $20 million a school like the PAC and Big 12 did, and we signed new agreements with bowls such that we would be playing in higher-exposure bowls and our bowl money was as good as what the ACC and Big 12 were getting, it stands to reason that schools like Cuse and WVU would have at least thought twice before jumping. After all, it wasn't the "magic" of the ACC or Big 12 names but rather the tangible material superiority - much better media and bowl money - - that made those conferences an easy call to jump to.

(07-09-2014 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:21 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 11:12 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  It is just a small factor. The AAC is screwed no matter what, however by chance if UC, UCF or ECU can somehow go undefeated they have a "shot" at the playoff and a good chance at the Access Bowl. Long term it is meaningless...

I think that's right. The Power 5 has already settled the question for football. And if any one of us gets really good there (football) on an on-going basis they could very well get the call up to the big leagues. Otherwise they'll continue to play in the access bowl.

completely disagree with both of you..
everythng in college sports in perception and building on that perception.
SEC was being called the greatest before they were the greatest and built off of that till it became true.

lets say we dominate our OOC, beat 80% of the p5, our perception dramatically increases, our conference game will all be given better time slots, all the media outlets will definitely pay attention.....

The problem I have with this causal chain is that we have powerful recent evidence that it just isn't so: From 2005-2011, The Big East was quite successful on the football field against other AQ conferences. Objective indices like Sagarin show that we were at least as good as the B1G and ACC during that time, arguably better than both. And we often did it on the biggest stages, in BCS bowl games.

And yet ... we were derided as the "Big Least" throughout that whole time. At no point did national media or public perception about the Big East rise in any significant way. We were pretty consistently ridiculed by the media, there were frequent calls to revoke our AQ status, and we never got better TV slots for our games, etc.

So maybe this time around will be different, but ....

wasnt it just a few years back literally 4 of the top 5 big east teams all lost to mac teams? or something like that
most of cincys good season were also on weak ooc (not a shot)
usf had the one year but then completely flopped
i cant think of any big east team that had good OOC vs top P5 besides WVU that actually finished the season strong ( i might be wrong)

and the "big least" was from constant defections, something that is less of a problem now

and keep in mind im talking about where it is we realistically can get to. we will always be no better than the 6th conference not unless the majority of our teams start sprouting 60-80k fans, which isnt happening.
what we are fighting for is where the mid-major/g5 line is drown, behind us or in front of us

right not its infront of us and the biggest factor that will get it behind us is how we handle our OOC.
more important than the access bowl because, the access can make 'individual' teams powers, which is great for a conference to have a power, but did anyone consider the MWC a power when boise had its run? the OOC is the key to perceived depth in the league, and im not talking 1 team but multiple teams on the same year

Voted very important. I think this is only outweighed by what the P5 does after the power play.