(10-25-2015 05:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Here is my point... A college paper defended for one non liberal op ed and the primary response of some is "well conservatives are just the same"...

Ok show me..

I was not replying specifically to you.

"I suspect it's true because I know of some righties who are the same way when it comes to opposition views." Was what I was addressing..

Do you mean defunded?

If this same thing happens to liberals all the time then it should be easy to post some links as proof. There used to be this leftist know-it-all who whenever a conservative poster told of an experience would tell them that their anecdote wasn't proof of anything in a sanctimonious manner. As often as he played the "smarter than everybody" card around here I feel sure he would have put gsu on blast for that anecdote after he read it unless he was a total leftist hypocrite.

Real subtle, but the OP's story literally is an anecdote.

(10-25-2015 04:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So what college paper was defended for stating a liberal view point?

Do you mean 'defunded?' Otherwise, am not sure I understand the question. Don't see anyone liberal or conservative defending what appears to be an attempt by a school to stifle a conservative view.

I will note liberal columnists come under fire quite frequently -- you only have to look at the comments, letters to editor or forums such as this to see that liberal viewpoints are roundly bashed.

In any case, I weighed in with a post based on my experience, which is what I tend to do. I don't pretend to know anything other than what I know. I thought this was a discussion on free speech and the tendency of folks on either side to want to shut out or shut down or shout down viewpoints with which they disagree, and that interests me, so I chimed in.

As for those papers under fire by their schools for being too liberal, here's one: http://gawker.com/christian-college-shut...1568959746

That evens the score 1-1 as far as papers thwacked by administration because of views.

(10-27-2015 10:39 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 04:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So what college paper was defended for stating a liberal view point?

Do you mean 'defunded?' Otherwise, am not sure I understand the question. Don't see anyone liberal or conservative defending what appears to be an attempt by a school to stifle a conservative view.

I will note liberal columnists come under fire quite frequently -- you only have to look at the comments, letters to editor or forums such as this to see that liberal viewpoints are roundly bashed.

In any case, I weighed in with a post based on my experience, which is what I tend to do. I don't pretend to know anything other than what I know. I thought this was a discussion on free speech and the tendency of folks on either side to want to shut out or shut down or shout down viewpoints with which they disagree, and that interests me, so I chimed in.

As for those papers under fire by their schools for being too liberal, here's one: http://gawker.com/christian-college-shut...1568959746

That evens the score 1-1 as far as papers thwacked by administration because of views.

I did, phone auto correct took me to lala land.

As to your example that was not a school, student run paper. Buffalo, for example, has to papers. The Spectrum and the Generation. One is an arm of the student association (Spectrum) and the other is not (Generation)

"Yes, they were confiscated," Weinstein said, when asked if school administrators had collected the copies of the recent issue. "Our school has policies for soliciting and [students] need permission to distribute. It was checked and [The Ventriloquist] did not have permission."

Care to find an actual example of a school *defunding* it's paper in part or whole in reaction to a single editorial?

(10-27-2015 10:57 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 10:39 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 04:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So what college paper was defended for stating a liberal view point?

Do you mean 'defunded?' Otherwise, am not sure I understand the question. Don't see anyone liberal or conservative defending what appears to be an attempt by a school to stifle a conservative view.

I will note liberal columnists come under fire quite frequently -- you only have to look at the comments, letters to editor or forums such as this to see that liberal viewpoints are roundly bashed.

In any case, I weighed in with a post based on my experience, which is what I tend to do. I don't pretend to know anything other than what I know. I thought this was a discussion on free speech and the tendency of folks on either side to want to shut out or shut down or shout down viewpoints with which they disagree, and that interests me, so I chimed in.

As for those papers under fire by their schools for being too liberal, here's one: http://gawker.com/christian-college-shut...1568959746

That evens the score 1-1 as far as papers thwacked by administration because of views.

I did, phone auto correct took me to lala land.

As to your example that was not a school, student run paper. Buffalo, for example, has to papers. The Spectrum and the Generation. One is an arm of the student association (Spectrum) and the other is not (Generation)

"Yes, they were confiscated," Weinstein said, when asked if school administrators had collected the copies of the recent issue. "Our school has policies for soliciting and [students] need permission to distribute. It was checked and [The Ventriloquist] did not have permission."

Care to find an actual example of a school *defunding* it's paper in part or whole in reaction to a single editorial?

Thanks for the clarification. If I find one that fits your criteria I'll definitely let you know.

I will note that paper I referenced is a student newspaper. Not the 'official' college-sponsored paper, but an alternative staffed and run by students of a particular school. Like this one.

https://theventriloquist.us/the-new-ventriloquist/


In my book, whether it's pulling financial support or finding ways to block distribution, the aim is the same. It's censorship.




http://www.collegemediamatters.com/2014/...niversity/

(10-27-2015 12:48 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  I will note that paper I referenced is a student newspaper. Not the 'official' college-sponsored paper, but an alternative staffed and run by students of a particular school. Like this one.

calling the spectrum an "offical paper" was a mistake on my part. The spectrum sells adds but is mostely funded by the Student association making it "the student paper"

Quote:In my book, whether it's pulling financial support or finding ways to block distribution, the aim is the same. It's censorship.

That's a tough one and I see where you're coming form. However one is sanctioned by the students and punished *by the students* where as the other is an off campus published item.

Controlling what your students say is different than controlling someone not affiliated with the school coming on to campus. Is it not?

(10-25-2015 07:41 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Real subtle, but the OP's story literally is an anecdote.

he's pointing out something important....

there are different ways to fight the fight....

another someone sent you a pm.....

just sayin' pal.....I see most of what you see....and I'm not liberal by any stretch of armstrong.....

bottom line - politics as we know it are illogical....that's why my psxxx profs hated my guts.....

I never finished a class....just took the D and told 'em to fk off.....

(10-27-2015 01:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 12:48 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  I will note that paper I referenced is a student newspaper. Not the 'official' college-sponsored paper, but an alternative staffed and run by students of a particular school. Like this one.

calling the spectrum an "offical paper" was a mistake on my part. The spectrum sells adds but is mostely funded by the Student association making it "the student paper"

Quote:In my book, whether it's pulling financial support or finding ways to block distribution, the aim is the same. It's censorship.

That's a tough one and I see where you're coming form. However one is sanctioned by the students and punished *by the students* where as the other is an off campus published item.

Controlling what your students say is different than controlling someone not affiliated with the school coming on to campus. Is it not?

It is indeed. You're right. It speaks to something troubling when liberal college students are trying to quash opinions they find objectionable.
At any rate, I didn't look at it from that angle and was jumping to a conclusion based on my experience. We had both an 'official' student paper (funded by the school) and an offcampus rag. Both were considered student papers, but the school-funded one, which I worked on, labeled itself as the official paper long before my day.
That said, on the student paper we had advisors who could and sometimes did 'influence' what we covered and sometimes weighed in on our opinion writing, but for most part we were left to make a mess of things on our own and hopefully learn from our mistakes. At least, that's how I remember it.

I think the impulse to 'control the narrative' and quash views we might find unpalatable or contrary or what the hell ever is entirely human and crosses all political, ethnic and social lines. Nobody likes bad press.

Unfortunately, too many people confuse straight news reporting with opinion and opinion with straight news reporting.