(07-05-2014 01:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:31 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  A very dubious assertion at best (and I'm being generous). Companies have been shipping jobs overseas and cutting FT positions for years now, and there has been plenty of negative fallout. Obamacare just makes it easier for them to do what they've been doing for some time now.

"Obamacare just makes it easier" is not exactly logically consistent with "A very dubious assertion at best."

Bottom line--companies have been moving overseas to escape US tax and regulatory procedures, as well as labor costs. The labor cost is not as big a factor as some claim--primarily because unskilled labor can't do skilled jobs (as many people are finding out in China and third world countries) and the unskilled jobs that seek cheap labor aren't jobs that would support a middle class if they were not here.

Businesses are going to locate where they can be most profitable. That is the logical and reasonable choice for them to make. That place used to be in the US (1950s-1960s). It's not any more. If we want business to come back, we need to make the US be that place again. If we don't want to make the US that place, then get used to Argentina and get ready for Zimbabwe.

different statements about 2 different ideas. I wasn't tying the 2 together.

(07-05-2014 02:32 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 02:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:16 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My take on that...Big business continues to take advantage of the Obamacare dust up to eliminate FT jobs, something they want to do anyhow. Now they have cover. The reduction was gonna happen regardless of who is in office.

You mean businesses need Obama Care to lay people off and move others to part time..

WHat color is the sky in your worold..

Of course they don't NEED Obamacare, it just gives them cover, by original premise. Is that hard to see?

Cover for what? Post #1 said we're going great.

(07-05-2014 10:16 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My take on that...Big business continues to take advantage of the Obamacare dust up to eliminate FT jobs, something they want to do anyhow. Now they have cover. The reduction was gonna happen regardless of who is in office.

??? You really think "Big Business" is in the business of finding ways to shed needed jobs? Not GROW them? Really don't know much about business do you?

(07-05-2014 02:33 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  different statements about 2 different ideas. I wasn't tying the 2 together.

I know you weren't. I was. To point out the contradiction.

(07-03-2014 03:10 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Thank you President Obama for helping push the stock market above 17,000 today based on the strength of a great new jobs report. 288,000 new jobs.
Job well done!!

(07-05-2014 10:16 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My take on that...Big business continues to take advantage of the Obamacare dust up to eliminate FT jobs, something they want to do anyhow. Now they have cover. The reduction was gonna happen regardless of who is in office.

So Obama gets credit for what would have happened regardless of who is in office? Explain how you rationalize giving Obama the credit you claim in the first post, without getting the blame in your second post.

No, you didn't tie those two together. I did. To point out the contradiction.

(07-05-2014 04:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:16 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My take on that...Big business continues to take advantage of the Obamacare dust up to eliminate FT jobs, something they want to do anyhow. Now they have cover. The reduction was gonna happen regardless of who is in office.

??? You really thikn n "Big Business" is in the business of finding ways to shed needed jobs? Not GROW them? Really don't know much about business do you?

You F'in moron. Of course they are . it's called automation.They have very little incentive to hire. It's much cheaper to automate or ship offshore.

(07-05-2014 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:16 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My take on that...Big business continues to take advantage of the Obamacare dust up to eliminate FT jobs, something they want to do anyhow. Now they have cover. The reduction was gonna happen regardless of who is in office.

??? You really thikn n "Big Business" is in the business of finding ways to shed needed jobs? Not GROW them? Really don't know much about business do you?

You F'in moron. Of course they are . it's called automation.They have very little incentive to hire. It's much cheaper to automate or ship offshore.

It sure is, when the government steps in and regulates / mandates everything to death. Which is why government is responsible for jobs going overseas, not businesses. Funny how San Francisco chose to outsource overseas instead of paying union minimum wages that they themselves wrote into law.

Do as I say, not as I do.

Government is the evil institution , not corporations.

(07-05-2014 10:16 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My take on that...Big business continues to take advantage of the Obamacare dust up to eliminate FT jobs, something they want to do anyhow. Now they have cover. The reduction was gonna happen regardless of who is in office.

(07-05-2014 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:16 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My take on that...Big business continues to take advantage of the Obamacare dust up to eliminate FT jobs, something they want to do anyhow. Now they have cover. The reduction was gonna happen regardless of who is in office.

??? You really thikn n "Big Business" is in the business of finding ways to shed needed jobs? Not GROW them? Really don't know much about business do you?

You F'in moron. Of course they are . it's called automation.They have very little incentive to hire. It's much cheaper to automate or ship offshore.

Uhhhh, then those jobs aren't needed...(?)

And I'm the f'in moron.

You illustrate your stupidity on here daily. Keep it up skippy.

(07-05-2014 04:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:16 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My take on that...Big business continues to take advantage of the Obamacare dust up to eliminate FT jobs, something they want to do anyhow. Now they have cover. The reduction was gonna happen regardless of who is in office.

??? You really thikn n "Big Business" is in the business of finding ways to shed needed jobs? Not GROW them? Really don't know much about business do you?

You F'in moron. Of course they are . it's called automation.They have very little incentive to hire. It's much cheaper to automate or ship offshore.

Uhhhh, then those jobs aren't needed...(?)

And I'm the f'in moron.

You illustrate your stupidity on here daily. Keep it up skippy.

When the left gets worried that they are losing a fight, they manufacture a "fear story." Fear stories are easily proven ridiculous if only a small amount of logic and thought are applied to the manufactured story.

For instance, companies are using Obamacare as a cover to get rid of full time jobs. Sounds sinister. But the reality is that companies have had the same ability to get rid of full time jobs now as they have always had. They just didn't unless they were forced to due to mandates or regulations.

Same with the HL decision; HL is now free to stop offering all contracetives, even though they were never required to offer contraceptive prior to Obamacare, but yet they did.

The more the left tries to demonize a company, the more you see how reasonable they have been all along. Its the government that sucks.

(07-05-2014 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  You F'in moron. Of course they are . it's called automation.They have very little incentive to hire. It's much cheaper to automate or ship offshore.

Dude, whose argument are you trying to make? The GOP has been saying this for years.

(07-05-2014 04:58 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:16 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  My take on that...Big business continues to take advantage of the Obamacare dust up to eliminate FT jobs, something they want to do anyhow. Now they have cover. The reduction was gonna happen regardless of who is in office.

??? You really thikn n "Big Business" is in the business of finding ways to shed needed jobs? Not GROW them? Really don't know much about business do you?

You F'in moron. Of course they are . it's called automation.They have very little incentive to hire. It's much cheaper to automate or ship offshore.

Uhhhh, then those jobs aren't needed...(?)

And I'm the f'in moron.

You illustrate your stupidity on here daily. Keep it up skippy.

When the left gets worried that they are losing a fight, they manufacture a "fear story." Fear stories are easily proven ridiculous if only a small amount of logic and thought are applied to the manufactured story.

For instance, companies are using Obamacare as a cover to get rid of full time jobs. Sounds sinister. But the reality is that companies have had the same ability to get rid of full time jobs now as they have always had. They just didn't unless they were forced to due to mandates or regulations.

Same with the HL decision; HL is now free to stop offering all contracetives, even though they were never required to offer contraceptive prior to Obamacare, but yet they did.

The more the left tries to demonize a company, the more you see how reasonable they have been all along. Its the government that sucks.

Both sides use fear tactics. Neither side has any monopoly on that. Remember Sarah Failin's 'death squads"?

Dunk- if I'm so stupid, why do you lower yourself to respond to me? What does that say about you? oooopppps forgot, you don't like rhetoricals.

(07-05-2014 05:30 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:58 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  ??? You really thikn n "Big Business" is in the business of finding ways to shed needed jobs? Not GROW them? Really don't know much about business do you?

You F'in moron. Of course they are . it's called automation.They have very little incentive to hire. It's much cheaper to automate or ship offshore.

Uhhhh, then those jobs aren't needed...(?)

If I can get amachine do take a vital persons job, I'll do it. So yes, they are always looking for ways to replace vital jobs. Now if you want to play silly semantics just to make yourself look good, I'll agree they haven't found a way to replace janitors yet, so by your reasoning they must be "vital"
And I'm the f'in moron.

You illustrate your stupidity on here daily. Keep it up skippy.

When the left gets worried that they are losing a fight, they manufacture a "fear story." Fear stories are easily proven ridiculous if only a small amount of logic and thought are applied to the manufactured story.

For instance, companies are using Obamacare as a cover to get rid of full time jobs. Sounds sinister. But the reality is that companies have had the same ability to get rid of full time jobs now as they have always had. They just didn't unless they were forced to due to mandates or regulations.

Same with the HL decision; HL is now free to stop offering all contracetives, even though they were never required to offer contraceptive prior to Obamacare, but yet they did.

The more the left tries to demonize a company, the more you see how reasonable they have been all along. Its the government that sucks.

Both sides use fear tactics. Neither side has any monopoly on that. Remember Sarah Failin's 'death squads"?

Dunk- if I'm so stupid, why do you lower yourself to respond to me? What does that say about you? oooopppps forgot, you don't like rhetoricals.

What in God's name does it take for you to stop twisting what I say? Companies have been shedding jobs for years. They never needed Obamacare. All I said was Obamacare gave them a scapegoat to keep doing what they've been doing.

(07-05-2014 04:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  You F'in moron. Of course they are . it's called automation.They have very little incentive to hire. It's much cheaper to automate or ship offshore.

Dude, whose argument are you trying to make? The GOP has been saying this for years.

Both sides have. Somewhere between higher labor costs here and foreign nations using unfair subsidies to keep their prices artificailly low lies the answer.
I was in a business once selling brass home decorator items. American brass is much more expensive than foreign because the government insists on expensive anti-pollution devices and expensive personal safety equipment. The Chinese do not. Their brass is cheaper. What do you do? sacrifice the health of our workers and the environment to be competitive? I don't know the answer. All I know is the answers are very complex and can't be reduced to sound bites.