http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-footbl/s...14aae.html

It's pretty interesting. Some quotes that stick out:

Quote:In just the past two years, OSU's non-conference schedule has dropped from four opponents each year to three with the Big 12 Conference's decision to play nine league games annually instead of eight. As a result, Martin had to unload contracted non-conference matchups by cancelling games or by moving them to future dates.
"One of the series that was cancelled was a home-and-home with PURDUE," Martin said. "We tried multiple dates in multiple years, but the Big Ten was changing its league schedule as well. Both schools wanted to keep the contract, but we couldn't coordinate dates - even several years out."

Quote:But there are extenuating circumstances in Martin's case. He might be too nice. Several years ago, Oklahoma State was approached by fellow conference member TEXAS A&M, which needed a favor. The Aggies were about to sign a non-conference series with Arkansas to be played in AT&T Stadium in Arlington, but they needed OSU's help by moving a game, or two, or more.
In an effort to help out a fellow Big 12 member, OSU acquiesced and moved several games.

"I know we moved three to help them, and I think it may have affected two more games," Martin said.
As it turns out, Texas A&M left the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference, and OSU got caught in a schedule squeeze for its troubles. Not only did OSU have to play at Texas two straight seasons, but the Cowboys had trouble filling an open date to start the 2012 season as an indirect result of the A&M-Arkansas series. After making contact with approximately 25 schools, OSU finally had a taker in SAVANNAH STATE.

Quote:As the facilities around Oklahoma State athletics have changed, so has the blueprint for football scheduling. During the years of Boone Pickens Stadium construction, OSU's home-field capacity shrunk to approximately 44,000.
With the loss of seating comes a drop in game-day revenue, which leads to smaller guarantees for the visitors. A guarantee is the amount of money a visiting team receives for making the trip and it is one of the tools used to balance a budget year. Quite simply, schools that pay smaller guarantees often have trouble attracting non-conference opponents who might be seeking a bigger check.

To help offset this particular scheduling dilemma, Martin began a 2-for-1 phase. Most teams outside of the "power conferences" have trouble landing marquee home opponents. OSU struck deals that resulted in smaller guarantees for opponents in exchange for a visit by OSU to their stadium -- the infamous 2-for-1. Oklahoma State played one game at TROY and Troy visited Stillwater twice, thus 2-for-1. As a result, OSU saved money with a smaller guarantee for the Trojans when they visited Stillwater, and Troy got the rare chance to host a Big 12 opponent.

There's more in there but it's just a glimpse into what AD's go through.

(07-03-2014 12:17 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  There's more in there but it's just a glimpse into what AD's go through.

It's a mentally-exhaustive, time-consuming job, yes. And yes, every move you make is subject to become a topic on sports-talk call-in shows.

But they are well paid for it, too. And sitting in air-conditioned offices, talking to people on the phone and sending emails… it's not exactly digging ditches for a living.

(07-03-2014 12:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 12:17 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  There's more in there but it's just a glimpse into what AD's go through.

It's a mentally-exhaustive, time-consuming job, yes. And yes, every move you make is subject to become a topic on sports-talk call-in shows.

But they are well paid for it, too. And sitting in air-conditioned offices, talking to people on the phone and sending emails… it's not exactly digging ditches for a living.

I agree with you here. Worked as a telemarketer in college, and I bet I made a bunch more phone calls than an AD makes with a bunch less compensation. AD's certainly have pressure, but I really doubt making schedules is the toughest part of their job.

(07-03-2014 01:02 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  Worked as a telemarketer in college

My condolences.

This is an area where conferences can do a better job of helping their schools out. It doesn't make sense for 128 different people to each be talking directly with each other or 300 people talking to 300 people for basketball scheduling to schedule one or two games at a time. It's pretty much impossible to talk to every one out there, and I'm sure a few good opportunities get missed just because of the work involved in finding them. If each conference had a single person to act as a clearinghouse for all scheduling matters, than you only need 10 or 20-something people involved. Each school provides their conference PoC with the relevant info (open dates, money offered/desired, level of competition desired, TV package, etc.), and the conference PoCs share the info with each other. If they find that there's a good match between any of their members, then set the schools up with each other and let the ADs negotiate the final details.

when did OSU play at texas twice? and how often has this happened?

(07-03-2014 08:29 PM)john01992 Wrote:  when did OSU play at texas twice? and how often has this happened?

2010 and 2011.

Due to moving from 12 teams to 10 teams everyone had some funky things happen on their schedule that year.

Baylor ended up going to Stillwater twice and hosting OU twice. It ended up affecting most of the league.

i understand that, but it is texas and they lose all rights to the benefit of a doubt when things are spun to their advantage.

(07-03-2014 09:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i understand that, but it is texas and they lose all rights to the benefit of a doubt when things are spun to their advantage.

Seriously???

Everyone had funky schedules that year. Get over whatever issue you have with them.

(07-03-2014 09:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i understand that, but it is texas and they lose all rights to the benefit of a doubt when things are spun to their advantage.

Seriously???

Everyone had funky schedules that year. Get over whatever issue you have with them.

"funky schedules" like Texas playing thanksgiving at home every year?

(07-03-2014 10:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i understand that, but it is texas and they lose all rights to the benefit of a doubt when things are spun to their advantage.

Seriously???

Everyone had funky schedules that year. Get over whatever issue you have with them.

"funky schedules" like Texas playing thanksgiving at home every year?

Texas does not play every year at home. Yankee leave our state alone

(07-03-2014 10:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 10:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i understand that, but it is texas and they lose all rights to the benefit of a doubt when things are spun to their advantage.

Seriously???

Everyone had funky schedules that year. Get over whatever issue you have with them.

"funky schedules" like Texas playing thanksgiving at home every year?

Texas does not play every year at home. Yankee leave our state alone

lol.

I absolutely love how you just made a total fool of yourself. too bad this "yankee" actually knows what he is talking about here.

why don't you play around with google on this question and get back to me?

I've been to many A&M games on Thanksgiving where UT was the guest

(07-03-2014 10:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I've been to many A&M games on Thanksgiving where UT was the guest

too bad the "Texas plays at home every thanksgiving" thing was established AFTER aggie left.

I do believe you owe this "Yankee" and apology.......

(07-03-2014 10:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 10:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I've been to many A&M games on Thanksgiving where UT was the guest

too bad the "Texas plays at home every thanksgiving" thing was established AFTER aggie left.

I do believe you owe this "Yankee" and apology.......

Deloss is not the AD anymore, Steve is more a team player.

(07-03-2014 10:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i understand that, but it is texas and they lose all rights to the benefit of a doubt when things are spun to their advantage.

Seriously???

Everyone had funky schedules that year. Get over whatever issue you have with them.

"funky schedules" like Texas playing thanksgiving at home every year?

Keep moving the goalposts if you want, it doesn't make you right.

Since the time A&M left the Longhorns are the only ones who WANT to host a Thanksgiving game. Everyone else is either OU (who's best game for the spot they'd rather keep on champ week) or would have concerns about thanksgiving killing turnout as fans typically don't have the tradition of planning around a game.

It works for both sides:
UT keeps their traditional thanksgiving game and the visiting team (rotates to whoever is scheduled to play in Austin anyway) gets a game with a lot of attention compared to another time slot. The remaining games that week get better Saturday windows instead of Bevo's game pushing them into a lesser window. Not one league member is getting anything they don't want.

This isn't some issue where UT is getting its way over objections by league members, it really is just something that the league membership is fine with.

(07-03-2014 10:54 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 10:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 10:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I've been to many A&M games on Thanksgiving where UT was the guest

too bad the "Texas plays at home every thanksgiving" thing was established AFTER aggie left.

I do believe you owe this "Yankee" and apology.......

Deloss is not the AD anymore, Steve is more a team player.

the three types of people that I can't stand the most:

1. people who are too lazy to fact check on google

2. people who use regionalism to insult others

3. people who can't own up to being wrong

congratz for being 3x the jack---

(07-03-2014 10:55 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 10:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i understand that, but it is texas and they lose all rights to the benefit of a doubt when things are spun to their advantage.

Seriously???

Everyone had funky schedules that year. Get over whatever issue you have with them.

"funky schedules" like Texas playing thanksgiving at home every year?

Keep moving the goalposts if you want, it doesn't make you right.

Since the time A&M left the Longhorns are the only ones who WANT to host a Thanksgiving game. Everyone else is either OU (who's best game for the spot they'd rather keep on champ week) or would have concerns about thanksgiving killing turnout.

It works for both sides:
UT keeps their traditional thanksgiving game and the visiting team (rotates to whoever is scheduled to play in Austin anyway) gets a game with a lot of attention compared to another time slot. The remaining games that week get better Saturday windows instead of Bevo's game pushing them into a lesser window.

There really isn't a downside there.

call it what you want. but going back to my original comment. blaming me for questioning any b12 schedule that favors Texas is like blaming anyone who questions the NSA.

to say that Texas shouldn't get the benefit of a doubt when it comes to this stuff based on their past track record is the god honest truth to anyone who is not a total texas/b12 homer

(07-03-2014 11:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 10:55 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 10:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i understand that, but it is texas and they lose all rights to the benefit of a doubt when things are spun to their advantage.

Seriously???

Everyone had funky schedules that year. Get over whatever issue you have with them.

"funky schedules" like Texas playing thanksgiving at home every year?

Keep moving the goalposts if you want, it doesn't make you right.

Since the time A&M left the Longhorns are the only ones who WANT to host a Thanksgiving game. Everyone else is either OU (who's best game for the spot they'd rather keep on champ week) or would have concerns about thanksgiving killing turnout.

It works for both sides:
UT keeps their traditional thanksgiving game and the visiting team (rotates to whoever is scheduled to play in Austin anyway) gets a game with a lot of attention compared to another time slot. The remaining games that week get better Saturday windows instead of Bevo's game pushing them into a lesser window.

There really isn't a downside there.

call it what you want. but going back to my original comment. blaming me for questioning any b12 schedule that favors Texas is like blaming anyone who questions the NSA.

The schedule didn't favor UT more than anyone else. Everyone's schedules were jumbled. Save the skepticism for something with merit.

Quote:to say that Texas shouldn't get the benefit of a doubt when it comes to this stuff based on their past track record is the god honest truth to anyone who is not a total texas/b12 homer

So you have no logical argument to make so you attack the allegiance of who you are talking to? Says a lot.

What "track record" are you citing?

A league network was shot down before they went it alone and the revenue splits on tv money prior to 2011 was always voting in step with CU, OU, NU, and A&M.

Which specific issues are you citing?

(07-03-2014 11:13 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 11:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 10:55 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 10:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Seriously???

Everyone had funky schedules that year. Get over whatever issue you have with them.

"funky schedules" like Texas playing thanksgiving at home every year?

Keep moving the goalposts if you want, it doesn't make you right.

Since the time A&M left the Longhorns are the only ones who WANT to host a Thanksgiving game. Everyone else is either OU (who's best game for the spot they'd rather keep on champ week) or would have concerns about thanksgiving killing turnout.

It works for both sides:
UT keeps their traditional thanksgiving game and the visiting team (rotates to whoever is scheduled to play in Austin anyway) gets a game with a lot of attention compared to another time slot. The remaining games that week get better Saturday windows instead of Bevo's game pushing them into a lesser window.

There really isn't a downside there.

call it what you want. but going back to my original comment. blaming me for questioning any b12 schedule that favors Texas is like blaming anyone who questions the NSA.

to say that Texas shouldn't get the benefit of a doubt when it comes to this stuff based on their past track record is the god honest truth to anyone who is not a total texas/b12 homer

So you have no logical argument to make so you attack the allegiance of who you are talking to? Says a lot.

What "track record" are you citing?

A league network was shot down before they went it alone and the revenue splits on tv money prior to 2011 was always voting in step with CU, OU, NU, and A&M.

i am just gonna go with homer if you choose to claim that the b12 has never had issues with texas getting/demanding special treatment pre or post 2010.

I just can't argue with that kind of stupid. Id rather have a factual no-nonsense debate and that has 0% chance of happening with you taking that stance.