Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Looks like academics do matter to conferences?
Author Message
perimeterpost Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,977
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 132
I Root For: OHIO
Location:
Post: #21
RE: Looks like academics do matter to conferences?
(07-03-2014 11:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 09:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 08:07 PM)buffdog Wrote:  When athletes, that represent a program, have to meet the same entrance requirements as regular students, then I will believe it is about academics, until then, no it is not about academics.

To be fair, talented musicians attending a university's school of music also don't need the same grades and test scores as freshmen who intend to major in engineering. But we should ask that each athlete is closer to the credentials of the average incoming student than they are now.

At Cincinnati that is not the case. Our Grads kinda run Broadway productions.

same at Ohio. If anything its tougher because you have to meet the standard academic requirements for admission PLUS pass an audition. Certain majors such as engineering may require students to have specific classes in high school like advanced calc or trig, but an incoming freshmen usually wouldn't be denied admission if they didn't meet these requirements, they would just have to take them as a freshmen before they could be admitted to the school of engineering.
07-04-2014 06:36 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
krup Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 303
Joined: Feb 2013
Reputation: 20
I Root For: Rutgers
Location:
Post: #22
RE: Looks like academics do matter to conferences?
If you are as cynical as I am about how sustainable the rate of increase in federal spending is, you look at these academic associations as having two purposes.

Collaboration, and a political lobby (to ensure you have the clout to both 1)maximize the growth in your research $$ now and 2)continue to get the big research $$ in the future while schools with less "power" are negatively impacted by any government austerity).
07-04-2014 07:04 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CrazyPaco Online
All American
*

Posts: 2,944
Joined: Jul 2005
Reputation: 275
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #23
RE: Looks like academics do matter to conferences?
(07-03-2014 10:06 PM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 09:30 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(07-03-2014 11:09 AM)brista21 Wrote:  I think it matters because the red tape for collaborations or resource sharing is easier to navigate in a broad based partnership like day the Big Ten/CIC has. But it's far from the be all and end all.

On another note Rutgers and Ohio State had been collaborating separately with the University of Sao Paulo on agricultural research specifically plant based fuels for over 20 and nearly 30 years respectively. They've all met together in biannual conferences for the last 15 years, but the collaborations have really been two bilateral relationships rather than a trilateral one. Now both schools are going to be collaborating together with the University of Sao Paulo as a result of the other Big Ten and CIC partnerships.

Sent from my KFTHWI using Tapatalk

Bilateral, you mean, like when RU and OSU started their joint tripartite PhD program with USP 10 years ago? That's bilateral? Despite it being called the "Tripartite Collaborative", for what, I don't know, at least a decade?

No, this sells better as a CIC story the day Rutgers enters the Big Ten even though there is nothing new.

BTW, I like how the first project listed on Rutgers' CIC website is a Pitt and Wake led institute. That must be because the ACCIAC is so incredible, no?


These bureaucrats dispensed the only lip service that would be acceptable to their community and sister institutions. They knew this subject would have to be addressed. What could they say? "We don't really care too much about that academics stuff"?? They had little latitude.
If you still don't think the CIC is significant to the administrators, ask yourself why Johns Hopkins moved their lax program to the B1G.

They moved their men's lax program to the Big Ten because they wanted to ease their scheduling and be eligible for an automatic bid and have the opportunity to maintain their separate tv contract with ESPN. They also weren't given the opportunity to join the ACC lax, which according to contacts on their coaching staff, was their first choice, and a stance by ACC lax schools that I didn't agree with.

JHU isn't in the CIC, nor are they pursuing it.

If the CIC was half of what you fanboys think it is, every school in the world would be trampling over each other to get into it, including every school in the ACC, SEC, B12, and Pac. Furthermore, it would be massively idiotic to restrict the CIC's membership to any athletic affiliations.
(This post was last modified: 07-04-2014 11:50 AM by CrazyPaco.)
07-04-2014 11:20 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CrazyPaco Online
All American
*

Posts: 2,944
Joined: Jul 2005
Reputation: 275
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #24
RE: Looks like academics do matter to conferences?
(07-04-2014 07:04 AM)krup Wrote:  If you are as cynical as I am about how sustainable the rate of increase in federal spending is, you look at these academic associations as having two purposes.

Collaboration, and a political lobby (to ensure you have the clout to both 1)maximize the growth in your research $$ now and 2)continue to get the big research $$ in the future while schools with less "power" are negatively impacted by any government austerity).

That's great, except none of these conference-based collaborations actually grow a university's research funding or research plant. Nor does lobbying for academic research in DC work in a way that is detrimental to research schools with less "power", which I assume you mean political power.

The vast majority of federal research is obtain by peer review of individual investigators research proposals which are judged on merit and feasibility. That's it. Lobbying is done to have effect on the money put into Pell Grants or other financial aid or funding for specific research pools in general....ie things like biomedical science or translational science or engineering...STEM...not specific classes or groups of schools. There is no lobbying specifically for just for Northwestern, or the CIC, or the AAU to get their own funding at the federal level. If a AAU lobbyist successfully effects more money being put into biomedical research, the individual or project investigators that have their faculty positions at AAU schools will still have to submit their research proposals for peer review, which will be done without any help or influence of lobbyists or conference consortiums, and those proposals will have compete on a level playing field against those from non-AAU schools like UCSF and beat them out purely on proposal merit and feasibility; and UCSF is going to keep cleaning up.
(This post was last modified: 07-04-2014 11:41 AM by CrazyPaco.)
07-04-2014 11:28 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
krup Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 303
Joined: Feb 2013
Reputation: 20
I Root For: Rutgers
Location:
Post: #25
RE: Looks like academics do matter to conferences?
(07-04-2014 11:28 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(07-04-2014 07:04 AM)krup Wrote:  If you are as cynical as I am about how sustainable the rate of increase in federal spending is, you look at these academic associations as having two purposes.

Collaboration, and a political lobby (to ensure you have the clout to both 1)maximize the growth in your research $$ now and 2)continue to get the big research $$ in the future while schools with less "power" are negatively impacted by any government austerity).

That's great, except none of these conference-based collaborations actually grow a university's research funding or research plant. Nor does lobbying for academic research in DC work in a way that is detrimental to research schools with less "power", which I assume you mean political power.

The vast majority of federal research is obtain by peer review of individual investigators research proposals which are judged on merit and feasibility. That's it. Lobbying is done to have effect on the money put into Pell Grants or other financial aid or funding for specific research pools in general....ie things like biomedical science or translational science or engineering...STEM...not specific classes or groups of schools. There is no lobbying specifically for just for Northwestern, or the CIC, or the AAU to get their own funding at the federal level. If a AAU lobbyist successfully effects more money being put into biomedical research, the individual or project investigators that have their faculty positions at AAU schools will still have to submit their research proposals for peer review, which will be done without any help or influence of lobbyists or conference consortiums, and those proposals will have compete on a level playing field against those from non-AAU schools like UCSF and beat them out purely on proposal merit and feasibility; and UCSF is going to keep cleaning up.
You are talking about the current situation and I was talking about the inevitable future where liabilities of programs like SS and Medicare take more and more of the government's revenue and the fight over "discretionary" government spending like research becomes more and more cutthroat.
07-04-2014 12:10 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
He1nousOne Offline
The One you Love to Hate.
*

Posts: 13,285
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 215
I Root For: Iowa/ASU
Location: Arizona
Post: #26
RE: Looks like academics do matter to conferences?
(07-04-2014 12:10 PM)krup Wrote:  
(07-04-2014 11:28 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(07-04-2014 07:04 AM)krup Wrote:  If you are as cynical as I am about how sustainable the rate of increase in federal spending is, you look at these academic associations as having two purposes.

Collaboration, and a political lobby (to ensure you have the clout to both 1)maximize the growth in your research $$ now and 2)continue to get the big research $$ in the future while schools with less "power" are negatively impacted by any government austerity).

That's great, except none of these conference-based collaborations actually grow a university's research funding or research plant. Nor does lobbying for academic research in DC work in a way that is detrimental to research schools with less "power", which I assume you mean political power.

The vast majority of federal research is obtain by peer review of individual investigators research proposals which are judged on merit and feasibility. That's it. Lobbying is done to have effect on the money put into Pell Grants or other financial aid or funding for specific research pools in general....ie things like biomedical science or translational science or engineering...STEM...not specific classes or groups of schools. There is no lobbying specifically for just for Northwestern, or the CIC, or the AAU to get their own funding at the federal level. If a AAU lobbyist successfully effects more money being put into biomedical research, the individual or project investigators that have their faculty positions at AAU schools will still have to submit their research proposals for peer review, which will be done without any help or influence of lobbyists or conference consortiums, and those proposals will have compete on a level playing field against those from non-AAU schools like UCSF and beat them out purely on proposal merit and feasibility; and UCSF is going to keep cleaning up.
You are talking about the current situation and I was talking about the inevitable future where liabilities of programs like SS and Medicare take more and more of the government's revenue and the fight over "discretionary" government spending like research becomes more and more cutthroat.

Don't try being reasonable with him. The Pitt guy(s) are on their usual trolling rant again. He isn't going to act reasonable with you.
07-04-2014 12:22 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.