(07-02-2014 07:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Human embryos can only become humans, it’s not a mystery…



1 out of 4 of those embryos will not go to term Aphid. 25% of those embryos never become a human.

It’s ok to kill them all, since some don’t survive anyway?

Your fist doesn't get to punch the bridge of my nose. I do not subscribe to your vision of when life begins.

(07-02-2014 07:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Your fist doesn't get to punch the bridge of my nose. I do not subscribe to your vision of when life begins.

Once again, you ignoring health science is your problem.

This is what I get for arguing with someone that
was the first to respond in their own thread.

You keep saying ignoring health science. Since i actually have a degree in the field I also do not subscribe to this contention.

Rest assured the dims are going to fight this. The azzholes never stop.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/sena...crosshairs

(07-02-2014 06:32 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Your rights shouldn't infringe upon mine Aphid.

That's funny considering your position is that you should be able to force a company to buy a drug they think kills a human being. Even after this rulei g you can still buy the drunk, you simply can not compel someone else to buy it for you.

Quote: I respect your beliefs but I want them to end right there at the end of your fist, not at the bridge of my nose. This ruling just set the precedent of when life begins and that's troubling to me.

It does no such thing.

Either you believe that new life isn’t created at the moment of conception or you embrace
the “pure political” assertion that the new life shouldn’t be referred to as human.

(07-02-2014 07:06 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  With this:

A Christian should never be required to purchase a pill to kill someone. If you want to abort the life you created buy your own fricking pill. What's so hard to understand about that. Thank goodness for 5 justices with common sense.


That line of reasoning is taking your fist to the bridge of my nose.

You are getting to define when life begins.

And if you get to force me to buy it then you are defining when life begins....

(07-02-2014 07:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Human embryos can only become humans, it’s not a mystery…



1 out of 4 of those embryos will not go to term Aphid. 25% of those embryos never become a human.

No... A quarter will die as a human in the womb.

Aphid I don't know if you are obtuse or stubborn. Is a seed a life? Is a tree bud a life. I will readily admit that it has the potential for life but as i showed you earlier. Only 75% of those embryos actually become a living breathing human.

The closely held belief angle is rubbish. The law is the law is the law and this partisan activist Supreme Court is trampling on it.

(07-02-2014 07:16 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This whole treating a corporation as a citizen is just troubling. They are a public company. The company is not an individual.

That's a whole other conversation. But the 'your rights end where mine begin' argument is predicated on freedom of action for the individual. If there were an outright ban and abortive drugs or the SCOTUS overturned Roe v. Wade, then I would agree with your position that someone rights had been infringed upon.

As you have shown, having a degree does not equate to knowledge. You came up one vote short. Live it.

Mach is uncomfortable with science and/or religion defining beginning of human life,
but he is perfectly fine with liberal politics establishing such. This is why we live in a
world in which Loggerhead Turtle eggs have more right to life than human embryos.

(07-02-2014 06:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Hobby Lobby's owners say they are not against all forms of contraception, such as condoms, they are only against abortifacients -- drugs or devices that induce abortion.

However, the FDA and any obstetric doctor would agree that the only abortifacient on the market is RU-486, a drug that induces abortion after the embryo has been implanted in the uterus.

Hobby Lobby wants to maintain that the morning after pill and IUDs are abortifacients because they prevent the fertilized egg from ever implanting in the uterus.

And therein lies the biggest problem, imo, in this ruling.

Hobby Lobby is part of the religious group that insists that life begins at fertilization, an idea most non-believers totally reject. This is the argument you get from the anti-abortion groups behind those silly "personhood" laws they have been trying to get through state legislatures and Congress.

The Hobby Lobby ruling gives that life begins at fertilization argument -- which the religious right is using to overturn Roe v. Wade -- a big shot in the arm.

You haven't shown a problem.

But sorry that First Amendment bothers you so much. According to timmy, you can leave via any border.

The ruling took great pains to limit itself to only contraceptives as it relates to the ACA. That being said, I found it more troubling that the ruling had to explicitly state that this case couldn't be extended to justify tax exemption or racial discrimination on religious grounds.

If there are clear constitutional grounds for legal exemptions on religious grounds for closely held for-profit companies, why would it only apply to this one specific religious belief (contraceptives)? Such a narrow application smells like inconsistent application of religious freedoms to me.

It's a shame that some determine human life by a technicality.

It's a shame some get a degree and STILL don't know basics.

(07-02-2014 07:43 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 07:16 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This whole treating a corporation as a citizen is just troubling. They are a public company. The company is not an individual.

That's a whole other conversation. But the 'your rights end where mine begin' argument is predicated on freedom of action for the individual. If there were an outright ban and abortive drugs or the SCOTUS overturned Roe v. Wade, then I would agree with your position that someone rights had been infringed upon.

I agree. Heck, even I don't agree that corporations should be treated as citizens,etc.