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Britain has two choices, mutually-exclusive and as different as night and day: withdraw from the EU or slowly sink deeper into the morass. A free and independent nation, or a province of the Brussels empire. In or out, this or that, all or nothing, one or the other, no middle ground. The only question is which it will be. And to punt or demur is to accept EU dominion.

To think, all of this because the French and Germans didn't want to fight another war.

(07-01-2014 09:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Britain has two choices, mutually-exclusive and as different as night and day: withdraw from the EU or slowly sink deeper into the morass. A free and independent nation, or a province of the Brussels empire. In or out, this or that, all or nothing, one or the other, no middle ground. The only question is which it will be. And to punt or demur is to accept EU dominion.

I think the UK trying to figure which sphere of influence is less worse, the EU or the US?

Excellent. I would have liked it more if they had cajoled the other reps to do the same thing. That sort of thing can have influence.

(07-02-2014 06:55 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Britain has two choices, mutually-exclusive and as different as night and day: withdraw from the EU or slowly sink deeper into the morass. A free and independent nation, or a province of the Brussels empire. In or out, this or that, all or nothing, one or the other, no middle ground. The only question is which it will be. And to punt or demur is to accept EU dominion.

I think the UK trying to figure which sphere of influence is less worse, the EU or the US?

UK really has three spheres of influence to balance--Commonwealth, US, and EU. The good news is that if they pull it off, they can be hugely influential in the world. The bad news is the difficulty involved in pulling it off, and how much they end up working at cross purposes.

The UK is plenty capable of operating independently. They have one of the largest economies in the world, albeit struggling, and have possibly the 2nd most powerful military capability in the world. They need a national revival, not the EU (or US for that matter) teet. I reject the idea that they have to choose between the two. They just need nationalist leadership.

Maybe once the EU dissolves, the UK can start to do something about the Muslim takeover.

(07-02-2014 08:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The UK is plenty capable of operating independently. They have one of the largest economies in the world, albeit struggling, and have possibly the 2nd most powerful military capability in the world. They need a national revival, not the EU (or US for that matter) teet. I reject the idea that they have to choose between the two. They just need nationalist leadership.

I'm not suggesting that the UK needs the US. The EU does need the UK and the EU offers several benefits that are appealing. If they can pull off a balance between the two then more power to them. I just feel that the EU is going to make them choose.

(07-02-2014 01:42 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 08:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The UK is plenty capable of operating independently. They have one of the largest economies in the world, albeit struggling, and have possibly the 2nd most powerful military capability in the world. They need a national revival, not the EU (or US for that matter) teet. I reject the idea that they have to choose between the two. They just need nationalist leadership.

I'm not suggesting that the UK needs the US. The EU does need the UK and the EU offers several benefits that are appealing. If they can pull off a balance between the two then more power to them. I just feel that the EU is going to make them choose.

The EU will continue to threaten, but they are nothing without UK protection and, economically, they need the UK's customers.

(07-02-2014 01:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:42 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 08:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The UK is plenty capable of operating independently. They have one of the largest economies in the world, albeit struggling, and have possibly the 2nd most powerful military capability in the world. They need a national revival, not the EU (or US for that matter) teet. I reject the idea that they have to choose between the two. They just need nationalist leadership.

I'm not suggesting that the UK needs the US. The EU does need the UK and the EU offers several benefits that are appealing. If they can pull off a balance between the two then more power to them. I just feel that the EU is going to make them choose.

The EU will continue to threaten, but they are nothing without UK protection and, economically, they need the UK's customers.

Honestly I hope the EU does continue to threaten the UK. If the Brits decide to take there ball and go home it might be just the push Germany needs to blow the whole thing up.

(07-02-2014 02:25 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:42 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 08:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The UK is plenty capable of operating independently. They have one of the largest economies in the world, albeit struggling, and have possibly the 2nd most powerful military capability in the world. They need a national revival, not the EU (or US for that matter) teet. I reject the idea that they have to choose between the two. They just need nationalist leadership.

I'm not suggesting that the UK needs the US. The EU does need the UK and the EU offers several benefits that are appealing. If they can pull off a balance between the two then more power to them. I just feel that the EU is going to make them choose.

The EU will continue to threaten, but they are nothing without UK protection and, economically, they need the UK's customers.

Honestly I hope the EU does continue to threaten the UK. If the Brits decide to take there ball and go home it might be just the push Germany needs to blow the whole thing up.

Germany will do no such thing. This whole experiment was designed to drag down their currency and fund their mercantilism on the backs of their host states. Germany needs the Spains, Greeces, and Italys of the world or they are going to be in a world of hurt.

(07-02-2014 02:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:25 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:42 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 08:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The UK is plenty capable of operating independently. They have one of the largest economies in the world, albeit struggling, and have possibly the 2nd most powerful military capability in the world. They need a national revival, not the EU (or US for that matter) teet. I reject the idea that they have to choose between the two. They just need nationalist leadership.

I'm not suggesting that the UK needs the US. The EU does need the UK and the EU offers several benefits that are appealing. If they can pull off a balance between the two then more power to them. I just feel that the EU is going to make them choose.

The EU will continue to threaten, but they are nothing without UK protection and, economically, they need the UK's customers.

Honestly I hope the EU does continue to threaten the UK. If the Brits decide to take there ball and go home it might be just the push Germany needs to blow the whole thing up.

Germany will do no such thing. This whole experiment was designed to drag down their currency and fund their mercantilism on the backs of their host states. Germany needs the Spains, Greeces, and Italys of the world or they are going to be in a world of hurt.

I always thought the EU was to force France and Germany to play nice and to try and cobble together and economic superstate that would rival the US. I think Germany could find markets outside of Europe that would easily replace whatever purchase power is gained from being in the EU.

(07-02-2014 02:54 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:25 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:42 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I'm not suggesting that the UK needs the US. The EU does need the UK and the EU offers several benefits that are appealing. If they can pull off a balance between the two then more power to them. I just feel that the EU is going to make them choose.

The EU will continue to threaten, but they are nothing without UK protection and, economically, they need the UK's customers.

Honestly I hope the EU does continue to threaten the UK. If the Brits decide to take there ball and go home it might be just the push Germany needs to blow the whole thing up.

Germany will do no such thing. This whole experiment was designed to drag down their currency and fund their mercantilism on the backs of their host states. Germany needs the Spains, Greeces, and Italys of the world or they are going to be in a world of hurt.

I always thought the EU was to force France and Germany to play nice and to try and cobble together and economic superstate that would rival the US. I think Germany could find markets outside of Europe that would easily replace whatever purchase power is gained from being in the EU.

They need the deflated currency. Germany is a mercantilist state. Exports mean everything.

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(07-02-2014 02:54 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:25 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:42 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I'm not suggesting that the UK needs the US. The EU does need the UK and the EU offers several benefits that are appealing. If they can pull off a balance between the two then more power to them. I just feel that the EU is going to make them choose.

The EU will continue to threaten, but they are nothing without UK protection and, economically, they need the UK's customers.

Honestly I hope the EU does continue to threaten the UK. If the Brits decide to take there ball and go home it might be just the push Germany needs to blow the whole thing up.

Germany will do no such thing. This whole experiment was designed to drag down their currency and fund their mercantilism on the backs of their host states. Germany needs the Spains, Greeces, and Italys of the world or they are going to be in a world of hurt.

I always thought the EU was to force France and Germany to play nice and to try and cobble together and economic superstate that would rival the US. I think Germany could find markets outside of Europe that would easily replace whatever purchase power is gained from being in the EU.

They need the deflated currency. Germany is a mercantilist state. Exports mean everything.

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(07-02-2014 02:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:54 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:25 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 01:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  The EU will continue to threaten, but they are nothing without UK protection and, economically, they need the UK's customers.

Honestly I hope the EU does continue to threaten the UK. If the Brits decide to take there ball and go home it might be just the push Germany needs to blow the whole thing up.

Germany will do no such thing. This whole experiment was designed to drag down their currency and fund their mercantilism on the backs of their host states. Germany needs the Spains, Greeces, and Italys of the world or they are going to be in a world of hurt.

I always thought the EU was to force France and Germany to play nice and to try and cobble together and economic superstate that would rival the US. I think Germany could find markets outside of Europe that would easily replace whatever purchase power is gained from being in the EU.

They need the deflated currency. Germany is a mercantilist state. Exports mean everything.

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Maybe, but weren't their better ways to achieve the deflation other than creating the EU? I mean no financial policy was worth allowing the Greeks through the velvet ropes.

(07-02-2014 03:06 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:54 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 02:25 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Honestly I hope the EU does continue to threaten the UK. If the Brits decide to take there ball and go home it might be just the push Germany needs to blow the whole thing up.

Germany will do no such thing. This whole experiment was designed to drag down their currency and fund their mercantilism on the backs of their host states. Germany needs the Spains, Greeces, and Italys of the world or they are going to be in a world of hurt.

I always thought the EU was to force France and Germany to play nice and to try and cobble together and economic superstate that would rival the US. I think Germany could find markets outside of Europe that would easily replace whatever purchase power is gained from being in the EU.

They need the deflated currency. Germany is a mercantilist state. Exports mean everything.

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Maybe, but weren't their better ways to achieve the deflation other than creating the EU? I mean no financial policy was worth allowing the Greeks through the velvet ropes.

The next step will be taking sovereignty.

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