Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Another interesting read
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
BleedingPurple Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,329
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 90
I Root For: JMU
Location: Amherst County, VA
Post: #1
Another interesting read
07-01-2014 09:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


olddawg Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,322
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 92
I Root For: JMU
Location:
Post: #2
RE: Another interesting read
(07-01-2014 09:37 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  http://www.championshipsubdivisionnews.c...2#more8671

It really does make perfect sense for them. Then again, I don't believe any school has ever voluntarily gone from FBS to FCS (I-A to I-AA). Wonder if they ever lobbied for the Mtn. West?
07-01-2014 11:30 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BleedingPurple Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,329
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 90
I Root For: JMU
Location: Amherst County, VA
Post: #3
RE: Another interesting read
(07-01-2014 11:30 AM)olddawg Wrote:  
(07-01-2014 09:37 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  http://www.championshipsubdivisionnews.c...2#more8671

It really does make perfect sense for them. Then again, I don't believe any school has ever voluntarily gone from FBS to FCS (I-A to I-AA). Wonder if they ever lobbied for the Mtn. West?

I question if New Mexico St. will soon follow. Though, Idaho, doesn't say for sure that they will move football, but heavily insinuates its a matter of time as they have a clause to easily remove themselves from the Sunbelt.
07-01-2014 11:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


EastCoastCoach Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 48
Joined: Apr 2014
Reputation: 0
I Root For: James Madison
Location:
Post: #4
Another interesting read
Idaho and NM State need to move down. I think the only reason they haven't is because, the way the landscape looks now, it's impossible to move back up in the near future. Both schools can't afford to compete at the FBS level and will more than likely be forced to drop in the near future, unless the MWC saves them both.


Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App
07-01-2014 02:53 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BleedingPurple Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,329
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 90
I Root For: JMU
Location: Amherst County, VA
Post: #5
RE: Another interesting read
(07-01-2014 02:53 PM)EastCoastCoach Wrote:  Idaho and NM State need to move down. I think the only reason they haven't is because, the way the landscape looks now, it's impossible to move back up in the near future. Both schools can't afford to compete at the FBS level and will more than likely be forced to drop in the near future, unless the MWC saves them both.


Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

It really doesn't look like Idaho wants to be saved. They just want to make sure there isn't a drastic change in the landscape in 2 years which is how long they must stay in the Sunbelt before they can opt out of their contract. They are pulling a JB in reverse, monitoring the situation.

What I find odd is that even though they were out in no-man's-land this past year without a conference and only winning one game, they still averaged just under 15,000 in attendance at home. This is better than quite a few FBS teams and better than 90% of the FCS schools. Why wouldn't the MWC want Idaho? Unless they simply feel they've got all they want.

Their AD states, "his department would have to cut sports by moving to the FCS because of a reduction in revenue from television contracts, conference affiliation and big-money contract games against powerhouse teams like Florida, which is paying Idaho $975,000 for their Aug. 30 football season opener."
07-01-2014 03:37 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


ParentofJMUMRDs Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,770
Joined: Apr 2013
Reputation: 56
I Root For: JMU
Location: State of Confusion
Post: #6
RE: Another interesting read
I can not get the link to load. Can someone summarize what the article says?

Thanks.

Brian
07-01-2014 04:12 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BleedingPurple Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,329
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 90
I Root For: JMU
Location: Amherst County, VA
Post: #7
RE: Another interesting read
Idaho's case for FCS: Better chance for success, regional rivals

Perhaps it’s the security that comes with 19 years on the job or the lack of heat from operating outside the brightest lights of college football that allows Doug Fullerton to speak with such frankness. Whatever the reason, the Big Sky commissioner is not one to hide his desires or intentions.

“It’s no secret. We’d love to have Idaho football,” Fullerton said. Idaho will join the Big Sky Conference on Tuesday, returning most of its programs to the league it helped found in 1963. Football, however, is not coming. Not yet.
...
Idaho signed a four-year contract to join the Sun Belt Conference as a football-only member. The deal includes a termination or extension option after two years. The Sun Belt is one of 10 conferences playing in the Football Bowl Subdivision, the highest level of NCAA football. The Big Sky is one of the top conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision, the next tier. There appears to be little doubt in Fullerton’s mind, at least, that Idaho will someday soon return to the FCS level.

The Vandals reached the Division I-AA (now FCS) playoffs 11 times from 1982 to 1995, their final season at that level. Idaho reached the semifinals in 1988 and 1993 before losing to the eventual national champion. Idaho has had just four winning seasons and two bowl appearances in 18 seasons at the FBS level.

“The Big Sky Conference anticipates the addition of the University of Idaho’s football program as an FCS member in the near future,” according to the offer letter from Fullerton to then-Idaho president Duane Nellis on Oct. 12, 2011. With NCAA governance changes in the works and money from the College Football Playoff on its way, Idaho opted to remain in the FBS, even though it meant playing as an independent in 2013.

“The financial consequences make it not very attractive,” new Idaho President Chuck Staben said. “We may see some changes that say we don’t want to move to FCS.” But Fullerton, who pursued the other programs at Idaho for a long time before finally landing them, points out schools in his league are getting far more from their football team’s successes than Idaho is from its subpar results.

“Football is no more important at Idaho than Montana, Montana State or North Dakota. Just because you play FCS doesn’t mean you can’t get all football has to offer,” he said. Idaho Athletic Director Rob Spear said his department would have to cut sports by moving to the FCS because of a reduction in revenue from television contracts, conference affiliation and big-money contract games against powerhouse teams like Florida, which is paying Idaho $975,000 for their Aug. 30 football season opener.

But playing regional rivals like Montana and Eastern Washington with conference titles at stake, Fullerton said, could be better for the program than playing teams in the Southeastern-based Sun Belt. He’s hoping basketball games, volleyball matches and track meets against traditional opponents - and the interest they generate - could pave the way for Idaho football to return to the Big Sky.

“As fans and their political base - and that’s their alumni and quite frankly legislators - start to get used to us and the Big Sky teams coming to Moscow and start to enjoy that, at that point in time …it may be a lot easier transition,” Fullerton said.

BY BRIAN MURPHY, Idaho Statesman
07-01-2014 04:45 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


ParentofJMUMRDs Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,770
Joined: Apr 2013
Reputation: 56
I Root For: JMU
Location: State of Confusion
Post: #8
RE: Another interesting read
BleedingPurple

Thanks for the post. Interesting.

Brian
07-01-2014 05:08 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DoubleDDuke Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,616
Joined: Apr 2013
Reputation: 12
I Root For: James Madison
Location:
Post: #9
RE: Another interesting read
They are in Idaho. It really has nothing at all to do with JMU and is a completely different book.
07-01-2014 05:53 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


BleedingPurple Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,329
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 90
I Root For: JMU
Location: Amherst County, VA
Post: #10
RE: Another interesting read
(07-01-2014 05:53 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  They are in Idaho. It really has nothing at all to do with JMU and is a completely different book.

Only that the Sunbelt wants us and that one of the objections people on here have had, is traveling to IDAHO and NEW MEXICO. One less objection among the many that have been stated. Also, interesting to note that after 2015 they can walk.

You can add or takeaway anything you want. I find it no different than finding out UConn or Cincy is being invited to a BCS conference. People would then carve up all types of scenarios which might or might not affect JMU.
07-01-2014 07:01 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BDKJMU Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,737
Joined: Apr 2013
Reputation: 47
I Root For: James Madison
Location:
Post: #11
RE: Another interesting read
(07-01-2014 04:45 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  The Vandals reached the Division I-AA (now FCS) playoffs 11 times from 1982 to 1995, their final season at that level. Idaho reached the semifinals in 1988 and 1993 before losing to the eventual national champion. Idaho has had just four winning seasons and two bowl appearances in 18 seasons at the FBS level.

And a lot of those 14 losing seasons out of 18 have been 0, 1, 2 wins.

Atendance last 5 seasons in the 16k capacity Kibbie Dome
13' 14,744
12' 12,582
11' 11,980
10' 12,730
09' 12,546
08' 15,340

So for 5 straight seasons Idaho hasn't met the attendance requirement.

Scroll about 1/2 of the way down:
"A FBS institution shall average at least 15,000 in actual OR paid attendance for all home
football contests over a rolling two-year period. [Bylaw 20.9.9.3]"

Then it goes on to describe all the rules for compiling attendance. Near bottom:
"An institution that fails to satisfy any of the FBS membership requirements set forth in Bylaws 20.9.9.1 through 20.9.9.4 shall receive notice of such noncompliance. After receiving notice, any further noncompliance with the FBS requirements within a 10-year period shall cause the institution to be placed in restrictive membership. While in restricted membership, an institution shall not be eligible for post season football competition. At the conclusion of the one-year period, the institution shall be granted membership in its preferred division, provided the institution complies with the division’s criteria. If the member does not meet the criteria of any division at the conclusion of the restricted
membership period, the institution may continue to be classified as a Division I member in sports other than football, provided the institution satisfies the Division I membership requirements set forth in Bylaws 20.9.3 through 20.9.7. A Division I member that loses FBS status must comply with the multidivision classification requirements (a two-year process) set forth in Bylaw 20.4.2 to regain such status. [Bylaws 20.9.9.5.1 and
20.9.9.5.2]"
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...8%2B10.pdf

I can't find anything online but I assume Idaho has been placed in restrictive membership ineligible for post season play?
(This post was last modified: 07-05-2014 10:41 AM by BDKJMU.)
07-05-2014 10:40 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BDKJMU Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,737
Joined: Apr 2013
Reputation: 47
I Root For: James Madison
Location:
Post: #12
RE: Another interesting read
And who in the heck moves up with a 16k stadium, and after 18 seasons, still has a 16k stadium?

Home games:
04': 2 Yes, only 2 games at home! 3rd in the state of Idaho, @ Boise State.
05' 4
06'. 5
07'-11': 6
12'-13' 5

NEVER hosted a BCS in that 10 year period. Probably have never hosted a BCS in their 18 seasons in I-A. Pathetic.
Horrible records. Horrible attendance. Never host BCS. Never should have moved up...
07-05-2014 11:02 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.