The Big 12 has just launched a website touting it's "10 teams, 9 games, 1 true champion" set up.

Clearly, they don't spend that kind of money or launch that kind of campaign if expansion is a front burner issue.

I've said it before, but any new realignment will come from the Big 10 as it prepares for its 2016 TV negotiation. If the B1G doesn't move, no one else will . . . probably for 10 years until the GORs get close to expiration.

Sounds like early campaigning for the playoff to try and convince the committee and public that being the only power conference without a CCG game and more than likely a one loss champ shouldn't be held against them.

(07-01-2014 09:00 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Sounds like early campaigning for the playoff to try and convince the committee and public that being the only conference without a CCG game shouldn't be held against them.

My first thought as well.

Further evidence that the P5 leagues -- all of them -- are very content with their current membership-rosters and are not going to expand anytime soon, unless something dramatic/unexpected involving a team with a major national following (Notre Dame, Texas, Penn State, Florida, etc.) happens.

This is clearly a message to all the naysayers out there that the Big 12 is intending to stay at ten teams. They are clearly trying to drive home the idea of "true champion" in comparison to what the rest of the P5 are doing with a conference championship game at the end of the year.

When they inevitably have a 2 or 3 way tie, who is the one true champion?

KSU and OU were co-champs in 2012 were they not?

(07-01-2014 01:29 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  KSU and OU were co-champs in 2012 were they not?

Perhaps they need to also reserve the website "twotruechampions.org"

(07-01-2014 01:14 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  When they inevitably have a 2 or 3 way tie, who is the one true champion?

2-way tie can be broken in the basis of head-to-head result.

3-way tie can be trickier; my guess is they will use some type of national poll/ranking.

The tie breaker will be simple, the team named Texas.

(07-01-2014 02:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 01:14 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  When they inevitably have a 2 or 3 way tie, who is the one true champion?

2-way tie can be broken in the basis of head-to-head result.

3-way tie can be trickier; my guess is they will use some type of national poll/ranking.

Actually, they use the BCS rankings to choose their official "champ." However, the point remains that there is really not a single true champion in such a scenerio. Even further clouding the issue is that the schedules are unbalanced - some teams play 5 home games and 4 away, while the others have the numbers reversed. Is a team that played 5 away games the real true champion if the team it tied with played only 4? What if the winner head-to-head won on their own home field - does it count since they had home field advantage?

The uncertainty goes down a little if every team plays every other team home-and-home each year. That way, the home field advantage is a moot point. However, an 18 game season is not realistic for college football. Further, in college basketball where you have home-and-home teams still end up being tied at the end, and some kind of tiebreaker has to be used.

Advertising "one true champ" doesn't hold water. It is simply not realistic, as already occured in 2012.

(07-01-2014 01:38 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 01:29 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  KSU and OU were co-champs in 2012 were they not?

Perhaps they need to also reserve the website "twotruechampions.org"

And also "champbyvirtueoftiebreaker.org".

Tiebreakers are not restricted to a round-robin format. Conferences which have a championship game still may have to select championship game participants based on tiebreakers, such as the case with the 3-way tie in the South division of the Big 12 in 2008.

3 way ties are problematic. If there's just a 2-way tie, I do think that the head-to-head result is the fairest method, although I understand the rankings methodology since it's intended to help get a conference representative into a better position in the post season.

head to head should be it.

KSU beat OU so they should not have potentially lost their championship if OU was ranked higher and the conference wanted to protect itself.

(07-01-2014 02:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The tie breaker will be simple, the team named Texas.

You do realize UT came in 2nd for the only 3 way tie the Big 12 has had?

(07-01-2014 09:00 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Sounds like early campaigning for the playoff to try and convince the committee and public that being the only power conference without a CCG game and more than likely a one loss champ shouldn't be held against them.

Yup. Total PR campaign to try to stay ahead of not having a 13th game. Let's see if it works.

(07-01-2014 07:20 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:00 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Sounds like early campaigning for the playoff to try and convince the committee and public that being the only power conference without a CCG game and more than likely a one loss champ shouldn't be held against them.

Yup. Total PR campaign to try to stay ahead of not having a 13th game. Let's see if it works.

Exactly.

(07-01-2014 02:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 01:14 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  When they inevitably have a 2 or 3 way tie, who is the one true champion?

2-way tie can be broken in the basis of head-to-head result.

3-way tie can be trickier; my guess is they will use some type of national poll/ranking.

I'm sure Apple has an app for that.

Goal differential is a good tiebreaker.

(07-01-2014 02:32 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 02:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 01:14 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  When they inevitably have a 2 or 3 way tie, who is the one true champion?

2-way tie can be broken in the basis of head-to-head result.

3-way tie can be trickier; my guess is they will use some type of national poll/ranking.

Actually, they use the BCS rankings to choose their official "champ." However, the point remains that there is really not a single true champion in such a scenerio. Even further clouding the issue is that the schedules are unbalanced - some teams play 5 home games and 4 away, while the others have the numbers reversed. Is a team that played 5 away games the real true champion if the team it tied with played only 4? What if the winner head-to-head won on their own home field - does it count since they had home field advantage?

The uncertainty goes down a little if every team plays every other team home-and-home each year. That way, the home field advantage is a moot point. However, an 18 game season is not realistic for college football. Further, in college basketball where you have home-and-home teams still end up being tied at the end, and some kind of tiebreaker has to be used.

Advertising "one true champ" doesn't hold water. It is simply not realistic, as already occured in 2012.

From the Big 12 handbook.

"Tiebreaker Procedures
Effective June 2011

The following procedure will determine the Big 12 Conference representative to the Bowl Championship Series in the event of a first-place tie:
A. If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.

B. If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 4 will be followed until a determination is made.
1. Once a team has been eliminated from a multi-team comparison, it is dropped from further comparisons. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
2. The records of the three teams will be compared against each other
The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in the conference
3. The highest ranked team in the first Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative, unless the two highest ranked tied teams are ranked within one spot of the other in the BCS poll. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two highest ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the Bowl Championship Series.
4. The representative will be chosen by draw. "

Using the Poll as a champion is far down the list so, they really do choose their champ on the field.