he will become an UFA at midnight and will not be back with the team, per CBS Eye on Basketball

(06-30-2014 04:23 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  he will become an UFA at midnight and will not be back with the team, per CBS Eye on Basketball

Great article by Chris Herrington at the CA.

The thought is that if you extended the offer and no one else offered then you would be stuck having to pay him along with ZBo and Prince.

I hope Mike Miller will sign for 2.1 million...It's more than we paid him last year.

"Memphis essentially has 13 players under contract and will only have the midlevel exception ($5.3 million) and bi-annual exception ($2.1 million) to spend on free agents."

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...ppeningnow

Terrible asset management. Harkens back to the Heisley days.

(07-01-2014 09:20 AM)spankadelphia Wrote:  Terrible asset management. Harkens back to the Heisley days.

Supposedly the previous regime was upset Bayless picked up his option so the current regime probably didn't want the same thing to happen.

Losing Davis and trying to get rid of Prince makes me wonder...

What if Heisley held the team for one more year and we kept Rudy, Mo, and Ellington for the whole season in 2013?

But I hope no one thought getting rid of Rudy was anything more than a salary dump. At least we didn't have to give up a first round pick to do it.

(07-01-2014 09:38 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:20 AM)spankadelphia Wrote:  Terrible asset management. Harkens back to the Heisley days.

Supposedly the previous regime was upset Bayless picked up his option so the current regime probably didn't want the same thing to happen.

Losing Davis and trying to get rid of Prince makes me wonder...

What if Heisley held the team for one more year and we kept Rudy, Mo, and Ellington for the whole season in 2013?

But I hope no one thought getting rid of Rudy was nothing but a salary dump. At least we didn't have to give up a first round pick to do it.

Actually, we did. The Cleveland trade was a salary dump made to get the Grizzlies under the tax so they could deal Rudy without getting fleeced. They got fleeced anyway so it doesn't matter.

Rudy Gay, Ellington, Speights, and a first round pick for Jon Leuer and Tayshaun Prince. That's the end result.

(07-01-2014 10:24 AM)spankadelphia Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:38 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:20 AM)spankadelphia Wrote:  Terrible asset management. Harkens back to the Heisley days.

Supposedly the previous regime was upset Bayless picked up his option so the current regime probably didn't want the same thing to happen.

Losing Davis and trying to get rid of Prince makes me wonder...

What if Heisley held the team for one more year and we kept Rudy, Mo, and Ellington for the whole season in 2013?

But I hope no one thought getting rid of Rudy was nothing but a salary dump. At least we didn't have to give up a first round pick to do it.

Actually, we did. The Cleveland trade was a salary dump made to get the Grizzlies under the tax so they could deal Rudy without getting fleeced. They got fleeced anyway so it doesn't matter.

Rudy Gay, Ellington, Speights, and a first round pick for Jon Leuer and Tayshaun Prince. That's the end result.

My comment earlier conveyed opposite what I meant to say...

So we shed millions for those players. Davis, Prince, and Leuer is what those boasted on, but it was millions of dollars saved/earned.

Prince really helped us IMO. He is just old. I don't think we would have got as far in 2013 with Rudy on the roster. We will never know though.

(07-01-2014 11:26 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Prince really helped us IMO. He is just old. I don't think we would have got as far in 2013 with Rudy on the roster. We will never know though.

I think Gay does everything Prince does and more. And the spurs can't shut down Zach and Marc with Gay having potential to go off.

People who wanted Gay out like to talk about the team having a lull right before he was traded (right after Mo was traded), but the team has a fire hot start to the season.

That big contract was the death of Rudy. If Heisley had given the guy a $55-60 million extension, he's probably still with the team and probably never has the field goal percentage drop he had after the max deal (and that injury).

The year we beat the Spurs, Rudy averaged 20 points, 6 boards, 3 assists and 2 steals on 47% shooting and 40% on three pointers. The real what if is in 2011.

(07-01-2014 12:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:26 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Prince really helped us IMO. He is just old. I don't think we would have got as far in 2013 with Rudy on the roster. We will never know though.

I think Gay does everything Prince does and more. And the spurs can't shut down Zach and Marc with Gay having potential to go off.

People who wanted Gay out like to talk about the team having a lull right before he was traded (right after Mo was traded), but the team has a fire hot start to the season.

That big contract was the death of Rudy. If Heisley had given the guy a $55-60 million extension, he's probably still with the team and probably never has the field goal percentage drop he had after the max deal (and that injury).

The year we beat the Spurs, Rudy averaged 20 points, 6 boards, 3 assists and 2 steals on 47% shooting and 40% on three pointers. The real what if is in 2011.

Grizz w/out Gay - good postseason results
Raptors w/out Gay - made the POs

The hot start to the season is good but if you take the overall record of that season w/ Gay and w/out Gay, we had a better record after Gay was traded.

(07-01-2014 05:11 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 12:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:26 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Prince really helped us IMO. He is just old. I don't think we would have got as far in 2013 with Rudy on the roster. We will never know though.

I think Gay does everything Prince does and more. And the spurs can't shut down Zach and Marc with Gay having potential to go off.

People who wanted Gay out like to talk about the team having a lull right before he was traded (right after Mo was traded), but the team has a fire hot start to the season.

That big contract was the death of Rudy. If Heisley had given the guy a $55-60 million extension, he's probably still with the team and probably never has the field goal percentage drop he had after the max deal (and that injury).

The year we beat the Spurs, Rudy averaged 20 points, 6 boards, 3 assists and 2 steals on 47% shooting and 40% on three pointers. The real what if is in 2011.

Grizz w/out Gay - good postseason results
Raptors w/out Gay - made the POs

The hot start to the season is good but if you take the overall record of that season w/ Gay and w/out Gay, we had a better record after Gay was traded.

But if we kept Gay (and Mo and Wayne) it might have been better.

(07-01-2014 07:07 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 05:11 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 12:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:26 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Prince really helped us IMO. He is just old. I don't think we would have got as far in 2013 with Rudy on the roster. We will never know though.

I think Gay does everything Prince does and more. And the spurs can't shut down Zach and Marc with Gay having potential to go off.

People who wanted Gay out like to talk about the team having a lull right before he was traded (right after Mo was traded), but the team has a fire hot start to the season.

That big contract was the death of Rudy. If Heisley had given the guy a $55-60 million extension, he's probably still with the team and probably never has the field goal percentage drop he had after the max deal (and that injury).

The year we beat the Spurs, Rudy averaged 20 points, 6 boards, 3 assists and 2 steals on 47% shooting and 40% on three pointers. The real what if is in 2011.

Grizz w/out Gay - good postseason results
Raptors w/out Gay - made the POs

The hot start to the season is good but if you take the overall record of that season w/ Gay and w/out Gay, we had a better record after Gay was traded.

But if we kept Gay (and Mo and Wayne) it might have been better.

Ifs and buts...

if only we all know as much as Lat

it's his world, we just live in it you know

(07-01-2014 10:49 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  if only we all know as much as Lat

it's his world, we just live in it you know

That's right.

(07-01-2014 12:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:26 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Prince really helped us IMO. He is just old. I don't think we would have got as far in 2013 with Rudy on the roster. We will never know though.

I think Gay does everything Prince does and more. And the spurs can't shut down Zach and Marc with Gay having potential to go off.

People who wanted Gay out like to talk about the team having a lull right before he was traded (right after Mo was traded), but the team has a fire hot start to the season.

That big contract was the death of Rudy. If Heisley had given the guy a $55-60 million extension, he's probably still with the team and probably never has the field goal percentage drop he had after the max deal (and that injury).

The year we beat the Spurs, Rudy averaged 20 points, 6 boards, 3 assists and 2 steals on 47% shooting and 40% on three pointers. The real what if is in 2011.

It's a trade off. As much as Rudy helped us on offense he killed us on defense. As much as Prince hurt us on offense he helped us on defense. Prince was paid $10M a year less too.

(07-02-2014 03:46 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 12:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:26 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Prince really helped us IMO. He is just old. I don't think we would have got as far in 2013 with Rudy on the roster. We will never know though.

I think Gay does everything Prince does and more. And the spurs can't shut down Zach and Marc with Gay having potential to go off.

People who wanted Gay out like to talk about the team having a lull right before he was traded (right after Mo was traded), but the team has a fire hot start to the season.

That big contract was the death of Rudy. If Heisley had given the guy a $55-60 million extension, he's probably still with the team and probably never has the field goal percentage drop he had after the max deal (and that injury).

The year we beat the Spurs, Rudy averaged 20 points, 6 boards, 3 assists and 2 steals on 47% shooting and 40% on three pointers. The real what if is in 2011.

It's a trade off. As much as Rudy helped us on offense he killed us on defense. As much as Prince hurt us on offense he helped us on defense. Prince was paid $10M a year less too.

I think Prince's contributions to the team in 2012-13 were net negative compared to Rudy. More importantly, against the Spurs, we were lacking in offense.

As far as payroll... We had a shot at the title in 2013. I understand they would have paid the luxury tax had we not made the trades, but had we not made the trades, we would have had a better team in the playoffs.

Rudy gay would have had takers in the off-season. Especially if he was key in a playoff run.

(07-02-2014 05:53 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 03:46 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 12:30 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:26 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Prince really helped us IMO. He is just old. I don't think we would have got as far in 2013 with Rudy on the roster. We will never know though.

I think Gay does everything Prince does and more. And the spurs can't shut down Zach and Marc with Gay having potential to go off.

People who wanted Gay out like to talk about the team having a lull right before he was traded (right after Mo was traded), but the team has a fire hot start to the season.

That big contract was the death of Rudy. If Heisley had given the guy a $55-60 million extension, he's probably still with the team and probably never has the field goal percentage drop he had after the max deal (and that injury).

The year we beat the Spurs, Rudy averaged 20 points, 6 boards, 3 assists and 2 steals on 47% shooting and 40% on three pointers. The real what if is in 2011.

It's a trade off. As much as Rudy helped us on offense he killed us on defense. As much as Prince hurt us on offense he helped us on defense. Prince was paid $10M a year less too.

I think Prince's contributions to the team in 2012-13 were net negative compared to Rudy. More importantly, against the Spurs, we were lacking in offense.

As far as payroll... We had a shot at the title in 2013. I understand they would have paid the luxury tax had we not made the trades, but had we not made the trades, we would have had a better team in the playoffs.

Rudy gay would have had takers in the off-season. Especially if he was key in a playoff run.

Rudy might have helped against the Spurs but I don't think we would have beat the Clips in the first round w/ him in the lineup after being down 0-2.

Rudy means less shots for Marc, Zach and Conley. All more efficient. Evaluating the trade on just the pieces of the trade is not looking at the whole picture. We needed that money for various other players. The contract was more the problem than Rudy.

(07-03-2014 06:14 AM)jrylee1 Wrote:  Rudy means less shots for Marc, Zach and Conley. All more efficient. Evaluating the trade on just the pieces of the trade is not looking at the whole picture. We needed that money for various other players. The contract was more the problem than Rudy.

Various other players?

Gasol, Randolph, and Conley were signed for 13-14.

Allen's salary only increased by $1.5 million.

They didn't want to pay the luxury tax... I get that. But Rudy could have been traded in the off-season to avoid the tax in 13-14.

(07-03-2014 06:48 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 06:14 AM)jrylee1 Wrote:  Rudy means less shots for Marc, Zach and Conley. All more efficient. Evaluating the trade on just the pieces of the trade is not looking at the whole picture. We needed that money for various other players. The contract was more the problem than Rudy.

Various other players?

Gasol, Randolph, and Conley were signed for 13-14.

Allen's salary only increased by $1.5 million.

They didn't want to pay the luxury tax... I get that. But Rudy could have been traded in the off-season to avoid the tax in 13-14.

That's well and good but I don't think we would have even made it past the Clips in the first round w/ Gay in the lineup. The reason we came back in that series was ZBo's dominance and Conley playing more freely. W/ Gay in the line up, that doesn't happen IMO, so any discussions about the series w/ the Spurs would be moot.

The results are there for everyone to see : Grizz have done better in the postseason w/out Gay; Raptors actually improved and made the post season when Gay was traded.