If Hollins gets the Nets job, the rest of the Eastern Conference should be very afraid. It'll be like the Grizz with more weapons... Just a little rusty.

(06-30-2014 12:37 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  If Hollins gets the Nets job, the rest of the Eastern Conference should be very afraid. It'll be like the Grizz with more weapons... Just a little rusty.

Like the Grizz with more weapons? Really? They have Pierce who is 37. Garnett who is 38. Joe Johnson is 33. Deron Williams is 30. Brook Lopez is a great player but missed most of the season with a foot injury so who knows how we will be. They have a couple of young guys that are pretty good. A team that won 44 games in the East isn't a very good team.

I hope Hollins gets the job and I hope he does well but I just don't see their roster being all that great.

(06-30-2014 01:00 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 12:37 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  If Hollins gets the Nets job, the rest of the Eastern Conference should be very afraid. It'll be like the Grizz with more weapons... Just a little rusty.

Like the Grizz with more weapons? Really? They have Pierce who is 37. Garnett who is 38. Joe Johnson is 33. Deron Williams is 30. Brook Lopez is a great player but missed most of the season with a foot injury so who knows how we will be. They have a couple of young guys that are pretty good. A team that won 44 games in the East isn't a very good team.

I hope Hollins gets the job and I hope he does well but I just don't see their roster being all that great.

If he starts season as coach, that team wins over fifty...

The rusty comment addressed the fact they are old. Williams and Johnson aren't over the hill.

Garnett and Pierce are, but that doesn't mean they can't make waves.

(06-30-2014 01:04 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 01:00 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 12:37 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  If Hollins gets the Nets job, the rest of the Eastern Conference should be very afraid. It'll be like the Grizz with more weapons... Just a little rusty.

Like the Grizz with more weapons? Really? They have Pierce who is 37. Garnett who is 38. Joe Johnson is 33. Deron Williams is 30. Brook Lopez is a great player but missed most of the season with a foot injury so who knows how we will be. They have a couple of young guys that are pretty good. A team that won 44 games in the East isn't a very good team.

I hope Hollins gets the job and I hope he does well but I just don't see their roster being all that great.

If he starts season as coach, that team wins over fifty...

The rusty comment addressed the fact they are old. Williams and Johnson aren't over the hill.

Garnett and Pierce are, but that doesn't mean they can't make waves.

I wonder how much longer that they have on the old guys contracts. Kidd was a train wreck as a coach. It's only fitting that he went to the worst team in the league. Winning over fifty might depend on how many games they get out of Lopez. Winning over 50 in the East shouldn't be extremely difficult although it depends on how much free agents shake things up next year. Hollins may have a tough time working with the owner though.

I'm all for LH getting another chance. As for the 'more weapons' comment, well, not sure about that. In the watered down, much less talented East, maybe 46 wins. Put the Nets in the West, .500 at best.

Hollins is going to win wherever he coaches.

I wonder how Lionel would work with the Nets owner - Lionel likes to run things his way and Prokhorov wouldn't allow Kidd the authority to do so...

Interesting background on Prokhorov:

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/article...0-billion/

NY media would eat Hollins' alive - he would need to be more open to the media ... hope he learns from his past mistakes with Memphis. Regardless, I love Coach Hollins. Hope he gets the gig and succeeds.

(06-30-2014 03:00 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  NY media would eat Hollins' alive - he would need to be more open to the media ... hope he learns from his past mistakes with Memphis. Regardless, I love Coach Hollins. Hope he gets the gig and succeeds.

The media you are talking about are media types who had access to Lionel Hollins for the better part of ten years and never tried to build a relationship with him and when he became head coach, they discounted him as a coach. So I'd say excuse a bit of the prickliness with Memphis media.

Hollins is dry, but he's been under the microscope since he was a college basketball star. So if he got it, I'm sure he'd be able to handle New York media.

(06-30-2014 02:06 PM)ballen Wrote:  I wonder how Lionel would work with the Nets owner - Lionel likes to run things his way and Prokhorov wouldn't allow Kidd the authority to do so...

Interesting background on Prokhorov:

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/article...0-billion/

MP buys the talent, but when has he ever butted in with the coaching?

(06-30-2014 01:00 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 12:37 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  If Hollins gets the Nets job, the rest of the Eastern Conference should be very afraid. It'll be like the Grizz with more weapons... Just a little rusty.

Like the Grizz with more weapons? Really? They have Pierce who is 37. Garnett who is 38. Joe Johnson is 33. Deron Williams is 30. Brook Lopez is a great player but missed most of the season with a foot injury so who knows how we will be. They have a couple of young guys that are pretty good. A team that won 44 games in the East isn't a very good team.

I hope Hollins gets the job and I hope he does well but I just don't see their roster being all that great.

If Jason Kidd wasn't their coach this year they would've won 50. Did you see how poorly they started? Gimme a break.

Hollins will do well with a veteran team like that.

It's clear Lat likes Hollins. We get it.

Hollins indicated he's not interested in a college coaching position, but sometimes it seems like he'd be better suited for it. He's an old school, my way or the highway type guy. He likes to be in complete control. That works well in college because that's what 18-22 year olds need. However, it didn't work so well (personality-wise) with guys like Z-bo and Tony Allen. They were in a position where they weren't going to take orders. I wonder how aged vets Garnett and Pierce will do with Hollins style.

Hollins was successful here, no doubt. We might get to find out if that success was more a product of a good system in Memphis (which Joeger was also able to succeed with), or if Hollins will be good wherever he goes.

Good for Lionel, I hope he gets it.

Hired by the Nets.

(07-01-2014 12:57 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  It's clear Lat likes Hollins. We get it.

Hollins indicated he's not interested in a college coaching position, but sometimes it seems like he'd be better suited for it. He's an old school, my way or the highway type guy. He likes to be in complete control. That works well in college because that's what 18-22 year olds need. However, it didn't work so well (personality-wise) with guys like Z-bo and Tony Allen. They were in a position where they weren't going to take orders. I wonder how aged vets Garnett and Pierce will do with Hollins style.

Hollins was successful here, no doubt. We might get to find out if that success was more a product of a good system in Memphis (which Joeger was also able to succeed with), or if Hollins will be good wherever he goes.

Uh... You know Hollins created and implemented the system in Memphis right?

Joeger found success when he went back to Lionel's system.

I'm glad for the guy, I thought he deserved more time here, there's no doubt he can coach.

(07-03-2014 06:44 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 12:57 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  It's clear Lat likes Hollins. We get it.

Hollins indicated he's not interested in a college coaching position, but sometimes it seems like he'd be better suited for it. He's an old school, my way or the highway type guy. He likes to be in complete control. That works well in college because that's what 18-22 year olds need. However, it didn't work so well (personality-wise) with guys like Z-bo and Tony Allen. They were in a position where they weren't going to take orders. I wonder how aged vets Garnett and Pierce will do with Hollins style.

Hollins was successful here, no doubt. We might get to find out if that success was more a product of a good system in Memphis (which Joeger was also able to succeed with), or if Hollins will be good wherever he goes.

Uh... You know Hollins created and implemented the system in Memphis right?

Joeger found success when he went back to Lionel's system.

I honestly don't know how responsible he was for bringing in Z-bo and Marc. But I'd make the case that anyone can win 45-50 games with those two anchoring the front court. Add Tony Allen and Conley into the mix, and you've got yourself a competitive playoff team.

Hollins certainly brings a tough, defensive-minded attitude, which is good for any team that wants to win. I just don't know if his brash style works well with respected vets. Sometimes they need/want a zen master guy like Phil Jackson and not a drill sergeant.

This is just my opinion. We'll find out more after Hollins has a chance in Brooklyn.

(07-03-2014 09:02 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 06:44 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 12:57 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  It's clear Lat likes Hollins. We get it.

Hollins indicated he's not interested in a college coaching position, but sometimes it seems like he'd be better suited for it. He's an old school, my way or the highway type guy. He likes to be in complete control. That works well in college because that's what 18-22 year olds need. However, it didn't work so well (personality-wise) with guys like Z-bo and Tony Allen. They were in a position where they weren't going to take orders. I wonder how aged vets Garnett and Pierce will do with Hollins style.

Hollins was successful here, no doubt. We might get to find out if that success was more a product of a good system in Memphis (which Joeger was also able to succeed with), or if Hollins will be good wherever he goes.

Uh... You know Hollins created and implemented the system in Memphis right?

Joeger found success when he went back to Lionel's system.

I honestly don't know how responsible he was for bringing in Z-bo and Marc. But I'd make the case that anyone can win 45-50 games with those two anchoring the front court. Add Tony Allen and Conley into the mix, and you've got yourself a competitive playoff team.

Hollins certainly brings a tough, defensive-minded attitude, which is good for any team that wants to win. I just don't know if his brash style works well with respected vets. Sometimes they need/want a zen master guy like Phil Jackson and not a drill sergeant.

This is just my opinion. We'll find out more after Hollins has a chance in Brooklyn.

Funny how ZBo was labelled a cancer before Memphis no media types expected the ZBo/Marc combo to make any noise.

Marc Iavoroni didn't have ZBo, but he had Marc, Mike, OJ, Rudy, Kyle Lowry, Darrell Arthur and some size with Darko (as well as coaching genius Dave J. on the staff) and the team showed no improvement from the year before.

So whether any coach can win with ZBo and Marc, no one thought that in 2009.

(07-03-2014 09:30 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 09:02 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 06:44 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 12:57 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  It's clear Lat likes Hollins. We get it.

Hollins indicated he's not interested in a college coaching position, but sometimes it seems like he'd be better suited for it. He's an old school, my way or the highway type guy. He likes to be in complete control. That works well in college because that's what 18-22 year olds need. However, it didn't work so well (personality-wise) with guys like Z-bo and Tony Allen. They were in a position where they weren't going to take orders. I wonder how aged vets Garnett and Pierce will do with Hollins style.

Hollins was successful here, no doubt. We might get to find out if that success was more a product of a good system in Memphis (which Joeger was also able to succeed with), or if Hollins will be good wherever he goes.

Uh... You know Hollins created and implemented the system in Memphis right?

Joeger found success when he went back to Lionel's system.

I honestly don't know how responsible he was for bringing in Z-bo and Marc. But I'd make the case that anyone can win 45-50 games with those two anchoring the front court. Add Tony Allen and Conley into the mix, and you've got yourself a competitive playoff team.

Hollins certainly brings a tough, defensive-minded attitude, which is good for any team that wants to win. I just don't know if his brash style works well with respected vets. Sometimes they need/want a zen master guy like Phil Jackson and not a drill sergeant.

This is just my opinion. We'll find out more after Hollins has a chance in Brooklyn.

Funny how ZBo was labelled a cancer before Memphis no media types expected the ZBo/Marc combo to make any noise.

Marc Iavoroni didn't have ZBo, but he had Marc, Mike, OJ, Rudy, Kyle Lowry, Darrell Arthur and some size with Darko (as well as coaching genius Dave J. on the staff) and the team showed no improvement from the year before.

So whether any coach can win with ZBo and Marc, no one thought that in 2009.

You like Hollins. I don't dislike him. More of an ambivalent feeling.

We'll see what happens in the future.