Only 42 of the "Power 65" schools were playing in the same conference in which they currently compete, dominated by the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12:

SEC - 10 (all but Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, A&M)
Big 10 - 10 (all but Penn St, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland)
Pac 12 - 10 (all but Colorado, Utah)
ACC - 7 (Virginia, Duke, Clemson, Ga Tech, NC St, Wake, UNC)
Big 12 - 5 (Oklahoma, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St)

So there has been quite a bit of movement (35%) among the top conferences in the last 25 years.

The 35 years prior to 1989, there was very little movement. 39 of those 42 schools have been in the same conference since the mid 1950s (exceptions: Ga Tech to ACC and Arizona schools to Pac 12, both in the late 1970s).

Big Eight technically is not the same conference as the big 12

If you did Big 8/SWC as a combo from 1989- so 17 schools- Okla, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor.. 9 were in one of those 2 conferences..

The big movement though was the abandonment of independence. 25 years ago there were 25 independent football teams. This year there's 4 and next year 3. Looked at some of the old schedules- and that's really changed a lot of the scheduling game as well.

(06-30-2014 09:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If you did Big 8/SWC as a combo from 1989- so 17 schools- Okla, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor.. 9 were in one of those 2 conferences..

The big movement though was the abandonment of independence. 25 years ago there were 25 independent football teams. This year there's 4 and next year 3. Looked at some of the old schedules- and that's really changed a lot of the scheduling game as well.

Yes, in 1989 you had basically what was going to become the Big East, C-USA plus Penn State, FSU and Miami playing as independents.

(06-30-2014 09:12 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 09:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If you did Big 8/SWC as a combo from 1989- so 17 schools- Okla, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor.. 9 were in one of those 2 conferences..

The big movement though was the abandonment of independence. 25 years ago there were 25 independent football teams. This year there's 4 and next year 3. Looked at some of the old schedules- and that's really changed a lot of the scheduling game as well.

Yes, in 1989 you had basically what was going to become the Big East, C-USA plus Penn State, FSU and Miami playing as independents.

yeah- plus South Carolina and Northern Illinois(both with winning records).

(06-30-2014 08:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Only 42 of the "Power 65" schools were playing in the same conference in which they currently compete, dominated by the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12:

SEC - 10 (all but Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, A&M)
Big 10 - 10 (all but Penn St, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland)
Pac 12 - 10 (all but Colorado, Utah)
ACC - 7 (Virginia, Duke, Clemson, Ga Tech, NC St, Wake, UNC)
Big 12 - 5 (Oklahoma, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St)

So there has been quite a bit of movement (35%) among the top conferences in the last 25 years.

The 35 years prior to 1989, there was very little movement. 39 of those 42 schools have been in the same conference since the mid 1950s (exceptions: Ga Tech to ACC and Arizona schools to Pac 12, both in the late 1970s).

Once teams are there, there's very little movement though. Of the 54 teams that were in what is now the P5 at the time the Big 12 was created, only 5 have ever switched conferences with four of them being from the Big 12. The independents of 1989 is a completely different story. Of the 25 teams, only PSU, FSU, South Carolina, Akron and Southern Miss have never switched conference affiliation after joining, and Navy and ND have yet to join a conference full-time. Everyone else has joined and left at least one conference, and in some cases, as many as 4.

(06-30-2014 09:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If you did Big 8/SWC as a combo from 1989- so 17 schools- Okla, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor.. 9 were in one of those 2 conferences..

The big movement though was the abandonment of independence. 25 years ago there were 25 independent football teams. This year there's 4 and next year 3. Looked at some of the old schedules- and that's really changed a lot of the scheduling game as well.

And isn't that the damn shame of it all...........?

(06-30-2014 10:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 09:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If you did Big 8/SWC as a combo from 1989- so 17 schools- Okla, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor.. 9 were in one of those 2 conferences..

The big movement though was the abandonment of independence. 25 years ago there were 25 independent football teams. This year there's 4 and next year 3. Looked at some of the old schedules- and that's really changed a lot of the scheduling game as well.

And isn't that the damn shame of it all...........?

Your school is unique, not any other school sans Texas could survive without conference affiliation. And ND cannot do indpendence for anything but FB. I liked the days of the independents as well, oh well.

(06-30-2014 08:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Only 42 of the "Power 65" schools were playing in the same conference in which they currently compete, dominated by the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12:

SEC - 10 (all but Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, A&M)
Big 10 - 10 (all but Penn St, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland)
Pac 12 - 10 (all but Colorado, Utah)
ACC - 7 (Virginia, Duke, Clemson, Ga Tech, NC St, Wake, UNC)
Big 12 - 5 (Oklahoma, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St)

So there has been quite a bit of movement (35%) among the top conferences in the last 25 years.

The 35 years prior to 1989, there was very little movement. 39 of those 42 schools have been in the same conference since the mid 1950s (exceptions: Ga Tech to ACC and Arizona schools to Pac 12, both in the late 1970s).

I think we're at the end of a 25 year of instability and heading for 20-30 years of relative stability.

From WWII to the 60s there was a lot of change. From the mid 60s to 89 not much.

(06-30-2014 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 08:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Only 42 of the "Power 65" schools were playing in the same conference in which they currently compete, dominated by the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12:

SEC - 10 (all but Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, A&M)
Big 10 - 10 (all but Penn St, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland)
Pac 12 - 10 (all but Colorado, Utah)
ACC - 7 (Virginia, Duke, Clemson, Ga Tech, NC St, Wake, UNC)
Big 12 - 5 (Oklahoma, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St)

So there has been quite a bit of movement (35%) among the top conferences in the last 25 years.

The 35 years prior to 1989, there was very little movement. 39 of those 42 schools have been in the same conference since the mid 1950s (exceptions: Ga Tech to ACC and Arizona schools to Pac 12, both in the late 1970s).

I think we're at the end of a 25 year of instability and heading for 20-30 years of relative stability.

From WWII to the 60s there was a lot of change. From the mid 60s to 89 not much.

I kinda hope your wrong for my own personal reasons. Stability is bad for any school hoping for an opportunity to move up. Being locked into the G5 for another 20-30 years might be a killer.

(06-30-2014 08:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Only 42 of the "Power 65" schools were playing in the same conference in which they currently compete, dominated by the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12:

SEC - 10 (all but Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, A&M)
Big 10 - 10 (all but Penn St, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland)
Pac 12 - 10 (all but Colorado, Utah)
ACC - 7 (Virginia, Duke, Clemson, Ga Tech, NC St, Wake, UNC)
Big 12 - 5 (Oklahoma, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St)

So there has been quite a bit of movement (35%) among the top conferences in the last 25 years.

The 35 years prior to 1989, there was very little movement. 39 of those 42 schools have been in the same conference since the mid 1950s (exceptions: Ga Tech to ACC and Arizona schools to Pac 12, both in the late 1970s).

You're forgetting:


Oklahoma State joining the Big 8 (1960)
Founding of the Pac-8 in 1964 (Idaho, WSU, OSU, and Oregon had left the PCC in 1959 after pay-for-play scandals at USC, UCLA, Cal, and Washington. The remaining 5 PCC schools formed the AAWU in 1960, then invited WSU, OSU, and Oregon to form the Pac-8 in 1964)
Tulane leaving the SEC (1966)
South Carolina leaving the ACC (1971)
Houston joining the SWC (1976)

You're also forgetting that in the past, basketball was just as big (if not bigger) than football. The Metro and the Big East were major conferences in every respect. The MVC was also arguably major conference prior to 1975, with 4 national titles and 15 Final Fours in 30 years. All three of those conferences had a lot of movement.

JMO, but I think we're in for at least a decade of stability

I always tought indepentents should have formed their own conf
there was enough bang to compete with other conf
and with a little foresight [SWC to fall apart]
PennSt,WVa,Pitt,Syc,BC,Rutgers,VT
Tex,TexA&M,Ark,FSU,SoCar,Mia,Louv

(06-30-2014 08:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Only 42 of the "Power 65" schools were playing in the same conference in which they currently compete, dominated by the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12:

SEC - 10 (all but Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, A&M)
Big 10 - 10 (all but Penn St, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland)
Pac 12 - 10 (all but Colorado, Utah)
ACC - 7 (Virginia, Duke, Clemson, Ga Tech, NC St, Wake, UNC)
Big 12 - 5 (Oklahoma, Okla St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St)

So there has been quite a bit of movement (35%) among the top conferences in the last 25 years.

The 35 years prior to 1989, there was very little movement. 39 of those 42 schools have been in the same conference since the mid 1950s (exceptions: Ga Tech to ACC and Arizona schools to Pac 12, both in the late 1970s).

USF Football was still 8 years in the future.............

(06-30-2014 11:18 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  The remaining 5 PCC schools formed the AAWU in 1960, then invited WSU, OSU, and Oregon to form the Pac-8 in 1964)

They didn't form a new conference when WSU, Oregon, and OSU joined; they just changed the name, as noted on the conference website:

Quote:In 1959, the PCC was dissolved and the Athletic Association of Western Universities (AAWU) was formed and Thomas J. Hamilton was appointed Commissioner of the new league. The original AAWU membership included California, Stanford, Southern California, UCLA and Washington. Washington State joined the membership in 1962, while Oregon and Oregon State joined in 1964. Under Hamilton’s watch, the name Pacific-8 Conference was adopted in 1968.

http://pac-12.com/content/about-pac-12-conference

(06-30-2014 12:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 11:18 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  The remaining 5 PCC schools formed the AAWU in 1960, then invited WSU, OSU, and Oregon to form the Pac-8 in 1964)

They didn't form a new conference when WSU, Oregon, and OSU joined; they just changed the name, as noted on the conference website:

Quote:In 1959, the PCC was dissolved and the Athletic Association of Western Universities (AAWU) was formed and Thomas J. Hamilton was appointed Commissioner of the new league. The original AAWU membership included California, Stanford, Southern California, UCLA and Washington. Washington State joined the membership in 1962, while Oregon and Oregon State joined in 1964. Under Hamilton’s watch, the name Pacific-8 Conference was adopted in 1968.

http://pac-12.com/content/about-pac-12-conference

The ACC's split from the SoCon in 1953 was as much a name change and a chance to push out certain schools as it was the creation of a new conference. The schools that formed the ACC, had been together essentially since 1907 in the SAIIA, then the SoCon with the SEC schools.

There's really not that much "movement" between conference groups in the top 64 or so as there was as mentioned an ending of independence. If you quit a conference but wait 15-20 years to join another conference have you really "moved". If the conference you join is filled with former conference mates did you really move or just go home?

I would suggest that GT and SC didn't really move since both ended up with former conference mates and being independent for 15-20 years.

The Big 8, SWC was not really a "move" for those 12 but a consolidation.

To me the only "movers" are Arkansas (SW to SEC) Maryland (ACC to B10), Nebraska (Big 8/12 to B10), Mizzou (Big 8/12 to SEC), Colorado (Big 8/12 to P12), TAMU (SW/B12 to SEC).

ND, West Va, Penn State, Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Miami, and Florida State were all independents.

Louisville, Utah and TCU are "move ups", and VT finally came back home and WVa had no choice but to go to the B12.

I really think only 6 schools qualify as legitimate "movers" where they directly left one ESTABLISHED conference/group for ESTABLSIHED conference/group going where they wanted to go - Arkansas, Maryland, Nebraska, Colorado, and Texas A&M.

(06-30-2014 11:15 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I kinda hope your wrong for my own personal reasons. Stability is bad for any school hoping for an opportunity to move up. Being locked into the G5 for another 20-30 years might be a killer.

There hasn't been much "moving up" in any event; there has mostly just been some "moving around" within the leagues. There are only 3 schools (Louisville, TCU, and Utah) in the "P5" conferences as of fall 2014 that were not in one of the original "BCS" conferences in fall 1998. That "trend" seems likely to continue -- there will be very few move-ups, and any school that moves up will have to be far ahead of the G5 pack in football in addition to having other important factors in its favor and being in the right place at the right time.

(06-30-2014 11:19 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  JMO, but I think we're in for at least a decade of stability

I was in the same frame of mind not long ago... Unpredictable movements over scatter years however have adjusted in how I go about stability for college football.

I think today's views $$$ and squabbles between conferences will bring additional unwanted and unexpected moves.

Stability isn't comfortable yet... Right B12!?!

(06-30-2014 12:55 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 11:19 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  JMO, but I think we're in for at least a decade of stability

I was in the same frame of mind not long ago... Unpredictable movements over scatter years however have adjusted in how I go about stability for college football.

I think today's views $$$ and squabbles between conferences will bring additional unwanted and unexpected moves.

Stability isn't comfortable yet... Right B12!?!

The only way I see UH getting into a P5 is if the Pac 12 feels some need to get into Texas and gives up on UT. The only way UH gets into the Big 12 is if there aren't already 4 Texas teams. If UT and OU leave, then it will be like UH's one year sojourn in a BCS conference. The remaining Big 12 will be downgraded like the Big East was. UH just isn't in a good place. They don't add anything to the 2 local conferences, the Big 12 and SEC.

(06-30-2014 01:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 12:55 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 11:19 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  JMO, but I think we're in for at least a decade of stability

I was in the same frame of mind not long ago... Unpredictable movements over scatter years however have adjusted in how I go about stability for college football.

I think today's views $$$ and squabbles between conferences will bring additional unwanted and unexpected moves.

Stability isn't comfortable yet... Right B12!?!

The only way I see UH getting into a P5 is if the Pac 12 feels some need to get into Texas and gives up on UT. The only way UH gets into the Big 12 is if there aren't already 4 Texas teams. If UT and OU leave, then it will be like UH's one year sojourn in a BCS conference. The remaining Big 12 will be downgraded like the Big East was. UH just isn't in a good place. They don't add anything to the 2 local conferences, the Big 12 and SEC.

I wasn't suggesting or predicting a Houston move at all, bullet... My post was mainly at how I feel about stability and also were I think it may come from next.