(07-08-2014 07:35 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(07-07-2014 11:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Technically this might be considered a reincarnation of the Little Caesar's Bowl (?)

Possibly. The Lions are the owner/operator of the game and the LCPB had a different committee. There was talk at one point of the LCPB moving to Comerica Park, but I think that has ended.

It would be bad enough playing in Detroit to begin with, but playing in Detroit in an open air baseball stadium? I can see why that idea has gone away.

(07-09-2014 12:18 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 03:24 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FWIW, the Russell bowl's own website says "late December", so THEY are not thinking 1/5/15 (which may mean zip)

The hotels in Orlando would be a lot more empty on 1/5 than 12/26 or 12/29! I wonder if ESPN (a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company) is trying to "encourage" the Russell to move to January but the Russell is resisting.

If they put the Russell Athletic on 1/5 ESPN would have to heavily subsidize the bowl because ticket sales would be worse than if they took it back to it's just prior to Christmas dates. The former BCS bowls struggled selling tickets to post 1/1 games, how well do you think the Russell Athletic is going to do?

As bad and embarrassing as a 12/26 date would be for our #2 bowl it would be preferable than 1/5.

Personally I'd like to see it on MON 12/29 at 6:00 PM ET. I think that is the best slot available and falls on a date where a lot of people are either already off (due to businesses which are closed all week) or at least an easy week to take a couple of days off. You could go down on SUN, watch the game on MON, return on TUE.

(07-09-2014 05:20 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 12:18 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 03:24 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FWIW, the Russell bowl's own website says "late December", so THEY are not thinking 1/5/15 (which may mean zip)

The hotels in Orlando would be a lot more empty on 1/5 than 12/26 or 12/29! I wonder if ESPN (a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company) is trying to "encourage" the Russell to move to January but the Russell is resisting.

If they put the Russell Athletic on 1/5 ESPN would have to heavily subsidize the bowl because ticket sales would be worse than if they took it back to it's just prior to Christmas dates. The former BCS bowls struggled selling tickets to post 1/1 games, how well do you think the Russell Athletic is going to do?

As bad and embarrassing as a 12/26 date would be for our #2 bowl it would be preferable than 1/5.

Personally I'd like to see it on MON 12/29 at 6:00 PM ET. I think that is the best slot available and falls on a date where a lot of people are either already off (due to businesses which are closed all week) or at least an easy week to take a couple of days off. You could go down on SUN, watch the game on MON, return on TUE.

Possibly, but are the folks running the bowl going to want it that much closer to their premiere bowl on 1/1?

FWIW, this is what TicketMaster lists for Russell Athletic Bowl tickets:

DEC 28 SUN - Russell Athletic Bowl Travel Packages

That would seem to imply travel on Sunday, watch the game on Monday, right? No idea what the hold-up is... Big XII already has 2 other bowls on 12/29 (Liberty @ 2:00 PM, Texas @ 9:00 PM) with a huge gap around 6:00 PM.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/college-...hedule.php


all bowl dates are set


Lions bowl on 12/26 at 430 on espn
pinstripe 12/27 at 430 on espn
Russell athletic is 12/29 at 530 on espn

The Bad: No games on Jan. 1st (in fact, only 1 game involving an ACC team has been played on New Year's Day in the past four years - FSU vs. NIU Orange Bowl).

The Good: 4 bowls on Saturdays, and 3 of the others are in Prime Time (including Belk and Orange).

All the same, I'd like to see a little more spread (too many ACC games on the same day). On the other hand, I guess I could get used to "ACC Bowl Day"...

(07-11-2014 08:25 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The Bad: No games on Jan. 1st (in fact, only 1 game involving an ACC team has been played on New Year's Day in the past four years - FSU vs. NIU Orange Bowl).

The Good: 4 bowls on Saturdays, and 3 of the others are in Prime Time (including Belk and Orange).

All the same, I'd like to see a little more spread (too many ACC games on the same day). On the other hand, I guess I could get used to "ACC Bowl Day"...

There is the distinct possibility you could have four ACC bowls going on at the same time.

The Military Bowl starts at 1:00 on 12/27
The Sun Bowl kicks off at 2:00
The Independence kicks off at 4:00
The Pinstripe at 4:30

(07-11-2014 08:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-11-2014 08:25 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The Bad: No games on Jan. 1st (in fact, only 1 game involving an ACC team has been played on New Year's Day in the past four years - FSU vs. NIU Orange Bowl).

The Good: 4 bowls on Saturdays, and 3 of the others are in Prime Time (including Belk and Orange).

All the same, I'd like to see a little more spread (too many ACC games on the same day). On the other hand, I guess I could get used to "ACC Bowl Day"...

There is the distinct possibility you could have four ACC bowls going on at the same time.

The Military Bowl starts at 1:00 on 12/27
The Sun Bowl kicks off at 2:00
The Independence kicks off at 4:00
The Pinstripe at 4:30

Exactly. That's the part I DON'T like about this year's schedule; I would probably watch ALL of those games if I could. Instead, it'll be like New Year's Day used to be - 4 games all going at the same time...

Well that's pretty stupid.

Bowls with ACC tie-ins:

ACC #1: (after playoffs)
Orange Bowl, WED 12/31 8:30 PM vs. SEC #2/B1G #2/ND

ACC #2, #2B:
Capital One Bowl*, THU 1/1/15 12:30 PM vs. SEC #2B
Russell Athletic Bowl, MON 12/29 5:30 PM vs. Big XII #3

ACC #3-6:
Sun Bowl, SAT, 12/27 2:00 PM vs. Pac-12 #5
Pinstripe Bowl, SAT 12/27 4:30 PM vs. Big Ten
Music City Bowl*, TUE 12/30 3:00 PM vs. SEC
Belk Bowl, TUE 12/30 6:30 PM vs. SEC #3-8
Gator Bowl*, FRI 1/2/15 3:20 PM vs. SEC #3-8

ACC #7-10:
Detroit Bowl FRI, 12/26 4:30 PM vs. Big Ten
Bitcoin Bowl FRI, 12/26 8:00 PM vs. AAC
Military Bowl SAT, 12/27 1:00 PM vs. AAC
Independence Bowl, SAT 12/27 vs. SEC #10 or C-USA or AAC

ACC Backs up:
Birmingham Bowl, SAT 1/3/15 1:00 PM (SEC #9 vs. AAC)

* NOTES: ACC only gets one of Music City or Gator Bowls; ACC only gets Capital One slot when B1G is in Orange Bowl.

ACC can get a maximum of 12 bowl slots without sending a team to the playoffs and without getting any at-large bids; 10 of those slots are guaranteed.

Is ND eligible for ACC bowls? That's a lot of bowl slots to fill, especially if you get a playoff team and an at-large access bowl team.

(07-11-2014 10:57 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Is ND eligible for ACC bowls? That's a lot of bowl slots to fill, especially if you get a playoff team and an at-large access bowl team.

Yes, Notre Dame can go to any ACC bowl, although in the case of the Orange Bowl they would have to be the opponent. They will fall into the same selection order using total wins as the deciding factor. So that gives the ACC 15 teams to fill up to 12 bowl slots.

(07-12-2014 05:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-11-2014 10:57 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Is ND eligible for ACC bowls? That's a lot of bowl slots to fill, especially if you get a playoff team and an at-large access bowl team.

Yes, Notre Dame can go to any ACC bowl, although in the case of the Orange Bowl they would have to be the opponent. They will fall into the same selection order using total wins as the deciding factor. So that gives the ACC 15 teams to fill up to 12 bowl slots.

My Bowl Prediction:

Playoff - FSU (13-0) v. Oregon
Orange - Clemson* (10-2) v. Auburn
Russell - UNC* (9-3) v. Oklahoma State
Gator (No Music City This Year) Miami* (10-3 ACCCG loser) v. Florida
Belk - VT (8-4) v. Tennessee
Pinstripe ND (8-4) v. Iowa
Sun - Louisville (8-4) v. Arizona
Detroit - Duke (7-5) or Pitt (6-6) v. Northwestern
Independence - NC State (6-6) v. Ole Miss
Military - Syracuse (7-5) v. UConn
St Pete - Duke (7-5) or Pitt (6-6) v. UCF

No Bowl - GT, WF, UVa

Does a one loss Clemson team play in the Orange Bowl or as an at large in the Peach Bowl? That might be an interesting conundrum for Clemson when they play SC. Then would that put Miami or UNC in the Orange Bowl?

(07-12-2014 10:27 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-11-2014 10:57 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Is ND eligible for ACC bowls? That's a lot of bowl slots to fill, especially if you get a playoff team and an at-large access bowl team.

Yes, Notre Dame can go to any ACC bowl, although in the case of the Orange Bowl they would have to be the opponent. They will fall into the same selection order using total wins as the deciding factor. So that gives the ACC 15 teams to fill up to 12 bowl slots.

My Bowl Prediction:

Playoff - FSU (13-0) v. Oregon
Orange - Clemson* (10-2) v. Auburn
Russell - UNC* (9-3) v. Oklahoma State
Gator (No Music City This Year) Miami* (10-3 ACCCG loser) v. Florida
Belk - VT (8-4) v. Tennessee
Pinstripe ND (8-4) v. Iowa
Sun - Louisville (8-4) v. Arizona
Detroit - Duke (7-5) or Pitt (6-6) v. Northwestern
Independence - NC State (6-6) v. Ole Miss
Military - Syracuse (7-5) v. UConn
St Pete - Duke (7-5) or Pitt (6-6) v. UCF

No Bowl - GT, WF, UVa

Does a one loss Clemson team play in the Orange Bowl or as an at large in the Peach Bowl? That might be an interesting conundrum for Clemson when they play SC. Then would that put Miami or UNC in the Orange Bowl?

Orange picks BEFORE access bowls are filled, so Clemson going 11-1 won't make any difference there. What WOULD make a difference is if Miami went 11-2 (both losses to FSU, I would assume). In that case, Miami has a shot at the Peach bowl or the Cotton Bowl.

Also, given that Belk / Sun / Gator / Pinstripe are all equal (#3 - #6), why would Notre Dame go back to NYC again? I think the Belk takes them in the above scenario (though I'm not convinced the Irish lose 4 games).

(07-12-2014 10:27 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-11-2014 10:57 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Is ND eligible for ACC bowls? That's a lot of bowl slots to fill, especially if you get a playoff team and an at-large access bowl team.

Yes, Notre Dame can go to any ACC bowl, although in the case of the Orange Bowl they would have to be the opponent. They will fall into the same selection order using total wins as the deciding factor. So that gives the ACC 15 teams to fill up to 12 bowl slots.

My Bowl Prediction:

Playoff - FSU (13-0) v. Oregon
Orange - Clemson* (10-2) v. Auburn
Russell - UNC* (9-3) v. Oklahoma State
Gator (No Music City This Year) Miami* (10-3 ACCCG loser) v. Florida
Belk - VT (8-4) v. Tennessee
Pinstripe ND (8-4) v. Iowa
Sun - Louisville (8-4) v. Arizona
Detroit - Duke (7-5) or Pitt (6-6) v. Northwestern
Independence - NC State (6-6) v. Ole Miss
Military - Syracuse (7-5) v. UConn
St Pete - Duke (7-5) or Pitt (6-6) v. UCF

No Bowl - GT, WF, UVa

Does a one loss Clemson team play in the Orange Bowl or as an at large in the Peach Bowl? That might be an interesting conundrum for Clemson when they play SC. Then would that put Miami or UNC in the Orange Bowl?

Guess BC is in that 12th bowl game....

Monday, January 5 on ESPN: ACC basketball on Big Monday!

(07-12-2014 11:21 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 10:27 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-11-2014 10:57 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Is ND eligible for ACC bowls? That's a lot of bowl slots to fill, especially if you get a playoff team and an at-large access bowl team.

Yes, Notre Dame can go to any ACC bowl, although in the case of the Orange Bowl they would have to be the opponent. They will fall into the same selection order using total wins as the deciding factor. So that gives the ACC 15 teams to fill up to 12 bowl slots.

My Bowl Prediction:

Playoff - FSU (13-0) v. Oregon
Orange - Clemson* (10-2) v. Auburn
Russell - UNC* (9-3) v. Oklahoma State
Gator (No Music City This Year) Miami* (10-3 ACCCG loser) v. Florida
Belk - VT (8-4) v. Tennessee
Pinstripe ND (8-4) v. Iowa
Sun - Louisville (8-4) v. Arizona
Detroit - Duke (7-5) or Pitt (6-6) v. Northwestern
Independence - NC State (6-6) v. Ole Miss
Military - Syracuse (7-5) v. UConn
St Pete - Duke (7-5) or Pitt (6-6) v. UCF

No Bowl - GT, WF, UVa

Does a one loss Clemson team play in the Orange Bowl or as an at large in the Peach Bowl? That might be an interesting conundrum for Clemson when they play SC. Then would that put Miami or UNC in the Orange Bowl?

Orange picks BEFORE access bowls are filled, so Clemson going 11-1 won't make any difference there. What WOULD make a difference is if Miami went 11-2 (both losses to FSU, I would assume). In that case, Miami has a shot at the Peach bowl or the Cotton Bowl.

Also, given that Belk / Sun / Gator / Pinstripe are all equal (#3 - #6), why would Notre Dame go back to NYC again? I think the Belk takes them in the above scenario (though I'm not convinced the Irish lose 4 games).

I know of 1 game I hope they lose :)

(07-12-2014 11:21 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Also, given that Belk / Sun / Gator / Pinstripe are all equal (#3 - #6), why would Notre Dame go back to NYC again?

#1. Subway Alumni

#2. The Pinstripe is going to be best supported when it has at least one team from the northeast or which has a strong northeastern presence. Notre Dame fits the bills much better than Virginia Tech. Also, if the Bowl is able to selection the right B10 team, they'll have ticket and ratings gold.

#3. While I'm sure the Belk Bowl would love to have Notre Dame, they've also been pretty content with taking teams from Virginia and North Carolina (10 of 12 Belk bowls have features a team from VA or NC). Given VT's proximity, I think the Belk would be more than happy to have them.

#4. It really isn't up to the schools by themselves. The conference will work with the bowls and the other partnering conferences to create the most desirable bowl match-ups.

(07-13-2014 12:00 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 11:21 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Also, given that Belk / Sun / Gator / Pinstripe are all equal (#3 - #6), why would Notre Dame go back to NYC again?

#1. Subway Alumni

#2. The Pinstripe is going to be best supported when it has at least one team from the northeast or which has a strong northeastern presence. Notre Dame fits the bills much better than Virginia Tech. Also, if the Bowl is able to selection the right B10 team, they'll have ticket and ratings gold.

#3. While I'm sure the Belk Bowl would love to have Notre Dame, they've also been pretty content with taking teams from Virginia and North Carolina (10 of 12 Belk bowls have features a team from VA or NC). Given VT's proximity, I think the Belk would be more than happy to have them.

#4. It really isn't up to the schools by themselves. The conference will work with the bowls and the other partnering conferences to create the most desirable bowl match-ups.

#5. There are significant contingents of football fans in southern venues that do not want to go to NYC in December. Personally, I think it's great and no weather in NYC in December is worse than an old open air Peach Bowl in Atlanta.

(07-13-2014 01:43 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 12:00 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 11:21 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Also, given that Belk / Sun / Gator / Pinstripe are all equal (#3 - #6), why would Notre Dame go back to NYC again?

#1. Subway Alumni

#2. The Pinstripe is going to be best supported when it has at least one team from the northeast or which has a strong northeastern presence. Notre Dame fits the bills much better than Virginia Tech. Also, if the Bowl is able to selection the right B10 team, they'll have ticket and ratings gold.

#3. While I'm sure the Belk Bowl would love to have Notre Dame, they've also been pretty content with taking teams from Virginia and North Carolina (10 of 12 Belk bowls have features a team from VA or NC). Given VT's proximity, I think the Belk would be more than happy to have them.

#4. It really isn't up to the schools by themselves. The conference will work with the bowls and the other partnering conferences to create the most desirable bowl match-ups.

#5. There are significant contingents of football fans in southern venues that do not want to go to NYC in December. Personally, I think it's great and no weather in NYC in December is worse than an old open air Peach Bowl in Atlanta.

Haha, I spent a week working down in Atlanta back during the first week of January of this year. When my wife was taking me to the airport, I was teasing her that I'll be down in the warmth of the south while shes here in Rochester freezing. I get to Atlanta and its 17 degrees there. Colder than it was in Rochester. Peoples pipes were freezing and bursting down there and cars wouldnt turn on because their gas lines were frozen. It was the coldest weather there in 100 years. I have the absolute worst timing. But you are correct. The weather can be worse in Atlanta than NYC in December.