(06-28-2014 08:24 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:18 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:23 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 04:12 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Way to early to decide who has best recruiting classes. Also, i do feel bad for the Southern Miss fans. I have a great deal of respect for them and think that they should be in the AAC.

Yup….and recruiting rankings are, for the most part, a joke. It is a process for some noob, living in his moms basement, to make money off irrational college football fans. Not sure how guys who have never played a down of football in their lives all of the sudden become experts in breaking down film and evaluating high school football players. Recruiting rankings mean something to people who do not have a clue. You never know for sure what you have with each class until 3 or 4 years down the road.

As far as USM goes…They just happened to tank in football at a very bad time. If that BCS bowl run season happens sometime in the last 2 years I bet you guys would have been invited to the AAC. Just like ECU back when Cincy, USF, and UL got he invite to the Big East…ECU was in the midst of a terrible run in football under John Thompson.

We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

I think the UH invitation came well after that game, right?

NO they came before. the announcers talked about the invite. Houston, smu and ucf had them back during the season.

Yes, but remember at that time ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa did not have invites to the Big East (AAC) either….Those came much later and during the time of USM's great collapse in football.

(06-28-2014 08:39 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:24 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:18 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:23 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Yup….and recruiting rankings are, for the most part, a joke. It is a process for some noob, living in his moms basement, to make money off irrational college football fans. Not sure how guys who have never played a down of football in their lives all of the sudden become experts in breaking down film and evaluating high school football players. Recruiting rankings mean something to people who do not have a clue. You never know for sure what you have with each class until 3 or 4 years down the road.

As far as USM goes…They just happened to tank in football at a very bad time. If that BCS bowl run season happens sometime in the last 2 years I bet you guys would have been invited to the AAC. Just like ECU back when Cincy, USF, and UL got he invite to the Big East…ECU was in the midst of a terrible run in football under John Thompson.

We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

I think the UH invitation came well after that game, right?

NO they came before. the announcers talked about the invite. Houston, smu and ucf had them back during the season.

Yes, but remember at that time ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa did not have invites to the Big East (AAC) either….Those came much later and during the time of USM's great collapse in football.

Well doesn't that tell you something....

if they didn't want you while you were winning then maybe S. Miss fans puts more value in your program/history than others do. Romans 12:3 comes to mind.

Boise St. is a 2,000+ mile trip and they got a invite to another conference. What does that have to do with S.Miss? I'm sure you can figure it out.

We are our own worst enemies

(06-28-2014 08:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:39 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:24 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:18 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

I think the UH invitation came well after that game, right?

NO they came before. the announcers talked about the invite. Houston, smu and ucf had them back during the season.

Yes, but remember at that time ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa did not have invites to the Big East (AAC) either….Those came much later and during the time of USM's great collapse in football.

Well doesn't that tell you something....

if they didn't want you while you were winning then maybe S. Miss fans puts more value in your program/history than others do. Romans 12:3 comes to mind.

Boise St. is a 2,000+ mile trip and they got a invite to another conference. What does that have to do with S.Miss? I'm sure you can figure it out.

Wow, a WKU fan talking trash about Southern Miss football history and tradition. One of the big reasons Conf USA is where it is, is because of Southern Miss. Talking smack when WKU has done nothing to e.hance Conference USA is priceless.

(06-27-2014 08:37 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Eh... Give it time. As the financial disparities chew up the G5, there will be more consolidation. CUSA and the AAC as they exist right now are living on borrowed time. Both of them are dinosaurs awaiting extinction.

Every team outside the P5 is in the same boat to varying degrees. I hope my school is the crocodile surviving the decimation.

(06-28-2014 08:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:39 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:24 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:18 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

I think the UH invitation came well after that game, right?

NO they came before. the announcers talked about the invite. Houston, smu and ucf had them back during the season.

Yes, but remember at that time ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa did not have invites to the Big East (AAC) either….Those came much later and during the time of USM's great collapse in football.

Well doesn't that tell you something....

if they didn't want you while you were winning then maybe S. Miss fans puts more value in your program/history than others do. Romans 12:3 comes to mind.

Boise St. is a 2,000+ mile trip and they got a invite to another conference. What does that have to do with S.Miss? I'm sure you can figure it out.

Let's see.....you see the future, analyze other's thoughts, a self-appointed strategist for planning future C-USA membership, and a biblical historian. A regular Renaissance Man.

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:23 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 04:12 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 10:50 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  [quote='AndreWhere' pid='10867351' dateline='1403918483']
....CUSA did not expand, contract, or realign. It renamed itself the AAC

Per 24/7 Sports 2015 football recruiting ranking,

We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

The schools that left had very little to do with USM's problems. Other than maybe on the last 3 that moved we did not have a vote. Other than accepting an invite. Unfortunately for USM this mess was all about markets.

(06-28-2014 09:17 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:39 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:24 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:18 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I think the UH invitation came well after that game, right?

NO they came before. the announcers talked about the invite. Houston, smu and ucf had them back during the season.

Yes, but remember at that time ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa did not have invites to the Big East (AAC) either….Those came much later and during the time of USM's great collapse in football.

Well doesn't that tell you something....

if they didn't want you while you were winning then maybe S. Miss fans puts more value in your program/history than others do. Romans 12:3 comes to mind.

Boise St. is a 2,000+ mile trip and they got a invite to another conference. What does that have to do with S.Miss? I'm sure you can figure it out.

Let's see.....you see the future, analyze other's thoughts, a self-appointed strategist for planning future C-USA membership, and a biblical historian. A regular Renaissance Man.

Did UL-L get a invite to C-USA? surely they have as much time you spend on this board. When was the last time you made a post on the SBC board...or 5 or 10 in one day?

(06-28-2014 08:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:39 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:24 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:18 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

I think the UH invitation came well after that game, right?

NO they came before. the announcers talked about the invite. Houston, smu and ucf had them back during the season.

Yes, but remember at that time ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa did not have invites to the Big East (AAC) either….Those came much later and during the time of USM's great collapse in football.

Well doesn't that tell you something....

if they didn't want you while you were winning then maybe S. Miss fans puts more value in your program/history than others do. Romans 12:3 comes to mind.

Boise St. is a 2,000+ mile trip and they got a invite to another conference. What does that have to do with S.Miss? I'm sure you can figure it out.

That we were whipping their asses more often than not?

(06-28-2014 09:29 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:17 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:39 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:24 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  NO they came before. the announcers talked about the invite. Houston, smu and ucf had them back during the season.

Yes, but remember at that time ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa did not have invites to the Big East (AAC) either….Those came much later and during the time of USM's great collapse in football.

Well doesn't that tell you something....

if they didn't want you while you were winning then maybe S. Miss fans puts more value in your program/history than others do. Romans 12:3 comes to mind.

Boise St. is a 2,000+ mile trip and they got a invite to another conference. What does that have to do with S.Miss? I'm sure you can figure it out.

Let's see.....you see the future, analyze other's thoughts, a self-appointed strategist for planning future C-USA membership, and a biblical historian. A regular Renaissance Man.

Did UL-L get a invite to C-USA? surely they have as much time you spend on this board. When was the last time you made a post on the SBC board...or 5 or 10 in one day?

You like the Renaissance Man part, don't you. You're going to make your fellow WKU fans proud.

(06-28-2014 09:16 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:37 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Eh... Give it time. As the financial disparities chew up the G5, there will be more consolidation. CUSA and the AAC as they exist right now are living on borrowed time. Both of them are dinosaurs awaiting extinction.

Every team outside the P5 is in the same boat to varying degrees. I hope my school is the crocodile surviving the decimation.

Everyone in G-5 conferences hopes to be that crocodile. Everyone, that is, except for those still dreaming of P-5 conference membership. Cinncinatti and UConn both hold out hope that they'll soon be headed to the ACC, and it seems that UL-L is expecting an invitation from the Big 12 any day now. Other than those, I think it is safe to say that yes, we're all in the same boat to varying degrees.

(06-28-2014 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:23 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 04:12 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 10:50 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  [quote='AndreWhere' pid='10867351' dateline='1403918483']
....CUSA did not expand, contract, or realign. It renamed itself the AAC

Per 24/7 Sports 2015 football recruiting ranking,

We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

The schools that left had very little to do with USM's problems. Other than maybe on the last 3 that moved we did not have a vote. Other than accepting an invite. Unfortunately for USM this mess was all about markets.

I really think if USM's football program had not been in such a shambles at the time the Big East fell apart they would have been able to overcome the market situation and made it into the AAC. Hard to take in a program with a small market and a winless season when you are trying to save a football conference.

Some of the AAC's choices show it was not all about markets when they selected teams.

(06-28-2014 09:45 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:16 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:37 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Eh... Give it time. As the financial disparities chew up the G5, there will be more consolidation. CUSA and the AAC as they exist right now are living on borrowed time. Both of them are dinosaurs awaiting extinction.

Every team outside the P5 is in the same boat to varying degrees. I hope my school is the crocodile surviving the decimation.

Everyone in G-5 conferences hopes to be that crocodile. Everyone, that is, except for those still dreaming of P-5 conference membership. Cinncinatti and UConn both hold out hope that they'll soon be headed to the ACC, and it seems that UL-L is expecting an invitation from the Big 12 any day now. Other than those, I think it is safe to say that yes, we're all in the same boat to varying degrees.

Yeah, the UL-L administration and all UL-L fans are waiting for an invitation to the Big 12 any day now. Do you have to lie to make a point?

(06-28-2014 09:51 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:23 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 04:12 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Per 24/7 Sports 2015 football recruiting ranking,

We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

The schools that left had very little to do with USM's problems. Other than maybe on the last 3 that moved we did not have a vote. Other than accepting an invite. Unfortunately for USM this mess was all about markets.

I really think if USM's football program had not been in such a shambles at the time the Big East fell apart they would have been able to overcome the market situation and made it into the AAC. Hard to take in a program with a small market and a winless season when you are trying to save a football conference.

Some of the AAC's choices show it was not all about markets when they selected teams.

Disagree. They basically chose Tulane over USM. That has to be market-driven considering the state of Tulane's athletic dept and low fan base.

(06-28-2014 10:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:51 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:23 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

The schools that left had very little to do with USM's problems. Other than maybe on the last 3 that moved we did not have a vote. Other than accepting an invite. Unfortunately for USM this mess was all about markets.

I really think if USM's football program had not been in such a shambles at the time the Big East fell apart they would have been able to overcome the market situation and made it into the AAC. Hard to take in a program with a small market and a winless season when you are trying to save a football conference.

Some of the AAC's choices show it was not all about markets when they selected teams.

Disagree. They basically chose Tulane over USM. That has to be market-driven considering the state of Tulane's athletic dept and low fan base.

This. Though it's still hard for me to imagine what Tulane athletics would need to do to really fire up the New Orleans area. I suspect that in the past S. Miss has been just as attractive to that market as the Green Wave.

(06-28-2014 10:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:51 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:23 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

The schools that left had very little to do with USM's problems. Other than maybe on the last 3 that moved we did not have a vote. Other than accepting an invite. Unfortunately for USM this mess was all about markets.

I really think if USM's football program had not been in such a shambles at the time the Big East fell apart they would have been able to overcome the market situation and made it into the AAC. Hard to take in a program with a small market and a winless season when you are trying to save a football conference.

Some of the AAC's choices show it was not all about markets when they selected teams.

Disagree. They basically chose Tulane over USM. That has to be market-driven considering the state of Tulane's athletic dept and low fan base.

What about ECU and Tulsa…Explain those choices, clearly not market driven.

(06-28-2014 10:49 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 10:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:51 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

The schools that left had very little to do with USM's problems. Other than maybe on the last 3 that moved we did not have a vote. Other than accepting an invite. Unfortunately for USM this mess was all about markets.

I really think if USM's football program had not been in such a shambles at the time the Big East fell apart they would have been able to overcome the market situation and made it into the AAC. Hard to take in a program with a small market and a winless season when you are trying to save a football conference.

Some of the AAC's choices show it was not all about markets when they selected teams.

Disagree. They basically chose Tulane over USM. That has to be market-driven considering the state of Tulane's athletic dept and low fan base.

What about ECU and Tulsa…Explain those choices, clearly not market driven.

ECU's football attendance is impressive. Tulsa and USM was probably a toss up. Tulsa probably won on the market.

(06-28-2014 10:56 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 10:49 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 10:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:51 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The schools that left had very little to do with USM's problems. Other than maybe on the last 3 that moved we did not have a vote. Other than accepting an invite. Unfortunately for USM this mess was all about markets.

I really think if USM's football program had not been in such a shambles at the time the Big East fell apart they would have been able to overcome the market situation and made it into the AAC. Hard to take in a program with a small market and a winless season when you are trying to save a football conference.

Some of the AAC's choices show it was not all about markets when they selected teams.

Disagree. They basically chose Tulane over USM. That has to be market-driven considering the state of Tulane's athletic dept and low fan base.

What about ECU and Tulsa…Explain those choices, clearly not market driven.

ECU's football attendance is impressive. Tulsa and USM was probably a toss up. Tulsa probably won on the market.

Tulsa beats them in market and overall sports program.

The below chart is year or two old but it shows Tulsa has a well rounded sport program.

I'm just glad they took Tulane and left USM in CUSA!

(06-28-2014 10:29 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 10:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:51 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 08:04 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  We didnt exactly tank at a bad time. Houston had a "big east" invite in hand when we beat them in the championship game in 11 and finished 12-2. The ones going led by central florida dont want us around.

The schools that left had very little to do with USM's problems. Other than maybe on the last 3 that moved we did not have a vote. Other than accepting an invite. Unfortunately for USM this mess was all about markets.

I really think if USM's football program had not been in such a shambles at the time the Big East fell apart they would have been able to overcome the market situation and made it into the AAC. Hard to take in a program with a small market and a winless season when you are trying to save a football conference.

Some of the AAC's choices show it was not all about markets when they selected teams.

Disagree. They basically chose Tulane over USM. That has to be market-driven considering the state of Tulane's athletic dept and low fan base.

This. Though it's still hard for me to imagine what Tulane athletics would need to do to really fire up the New Orleans area. I suspect that in the past S. Miss has been just as attractive to that market as the Green Wave.

Tulanes ad went begging to central fla's ad. Cent fla always beats tulane and wanted some easy wins. Someone has to finish last. And that info comes from someone who sits inside conference meetings.