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Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
I posted a comment on an earlier thread that was about to run its course after 10,000 views. I think it's worth a thread of its own.

On the topic of AAC expansion, I suggested that the AAC and MWC consider merging their football programs only. Remain separate for all other sports. Part of my suggestion was that in this 24 team mega-conference, it would not make sense to force any cross-division games within the conference.

I see some advantages to such an arrangement, and some drawbacks as well. Here is my thinking. There are three distinct levels within the FBS, not two. The P5, by any metric you can come up with, are clearly far ahead of any other FBS conference. But there is also a significant gap between these two conferences and the rest of the so-called G5 using any of those same metrics.

As a result, there is very little likelihood of P5 expansion in the near future, and what there might be would be limited to a handful of schools. Similarly, there are very few desirable expansion targets available from the MAC, C-USA and Sunbelt conferences. So if the MWC or the AAC are to expand, they will likely have to poach from each other.

There are only three possible outcomes to such a turf war. Either the AAC "wins", crippling the MWC, or the MWC "wins", crippling the AAC, or they both come out about where they are now. And if one of the two wins, there is little likelihood that there will be a significant improvement in its financial condition. Is that a fight worth having?

I think a merged entity could, because of its sheer size and the fact it would include teams in all five US time zones, have better leverage in media negotiations than the two have as separate entities. They could carve out a market niche by providing attractive matchups on Tuesday and Wednesday nights, when the P5 are idle.

Granted, they would have to give up one of their current two CCG's. But I would argue that neither of these are exactly ratings bonanzas anyway, and their combined championship might come close to matching the revenues they are getting now. That would be especially true if it evolved to become basically a play in game for major bowl access.

Make no mistake. This combined entity would still not be a contender to become a P6 conference. There is no combination of teams currently in the G5 that could accomplish that. You could not do it by combining only the strongest teams from these two leagues and kicking the rest to the curb. The gap is too great. The average Sagarin power ranking of the 64 teams in P5 conferences is 44. The average of the MWC and AAC is 93. If you took the 12 twelve best from the two, you still only improve that average to 84. By contrast, the average of the remaining three conferences is 130.

So why fight, when you can join forces?
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RE: Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
(06-27-2014 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  Make no mistake. This combined entity would still not be a contender to become a P6 conference.
In that case, there is no compelling reason to do it.
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Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
Worst idea ever.
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(06-27-2014 12:40 PM)CurveItAround Wrote:  Worst idea ever.

Why?
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(06-27-2014 12:40 PM)CurveItAround Wrote:  Worst idea ever.
Terrible idea.
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The only move to make is an all-sports best of the rest conference. It'd be a mostly AAC/MWC line-up with the fat cut-out...
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RE: Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
It would make some sense if both conferences had only 8 full members apiece. Then a merged football only would be only 18 members total (including Hawaii and Navy).

You could then set up 9 - team divisions with a CCG.

But a combined 24 - team FB only conference? How would that even work?
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Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
(06-27-2014 12:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 12:40 PM)CurveItAround Wrote:  Worst idea ever.

Why?

Hyperbole for dramatic effect, but...

I don't see the point. Each G5 conference has 2-5 football programs, at the moment, that are doing well. The rest of each conference is currently down, some maybe permanently so. . Why have a mega conference with 6-8 decent teams and 18 hangers on.

The P5 has pretty much guaranteed no changes until they say so by naming the 5 G5 conferences and the max amount each will receive.

All IMHO of course.
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AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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Akron has spoken. Lol.

What a maroon.
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No.
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RE: Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
(06-27-2014 01:32 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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Akron has spoken. Lol.

What a maroon.

It seems a lot of AAC members want quite a few MW schools. Why? Don't think you are good enough on your own or you now see yourselves as CUSA again?
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RE: Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
Merger without the Fat:

American Division
South Florida
Central Florida
Cincinnati
UConn
East Carolina
Navy
Memphis
Temple

Mountain Division
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Boise State
Fresno State
Air Force
BYU
San Diego State
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Re: RE: Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
(06-27-2014 01:32 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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Akron has spoken. Lol.

What a maroon.
Really?

I want to see your conference stand on your own(without the Big East bus pass). If yor are the same place 5 years from now, i got your back.

Just looking at some of the threads, you guys think that you are way better then everybody else and you only concerns are markets.Thats fact.

The reality is you are no better than the MAC starting this year. Live with it!
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RE: Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
(06-27-2014 01:43 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:32 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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Akron has spoken. Lol.

What a maroon.
Really?

I want to see your conference stand on your own(without the Big East bus pass). If yor are the same place 5 years from now, i got your back.

Just looking at some of the threads, you guys think that you are way better then everybody else and you only concerns are markets.Thats fact.

The reality is you are no better than the MAC starting this year. Live with it!

If this helps you sleep at night so be it. I like some MAC programs but prefer the AAC by leaps and bounds over the MAC. PM me when a MAC teams wins the Fiesta Bowl like UCF, or wins the NCAA Championship in Basketball like UConn.
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RE: Should the AAC and MWC merge for football only?
(06-27-2014 01:43 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:32 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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Akron has spoken. Lol.

What a maroon.
Really?

I want to see your conference stand on your own(without the Big East bus pass). If yor are the same place 5 years from now, i got your back.

Just looking at some of the threads, you guys think that you are way better then everybody else and you only concerns are markets.Thats fact.

The reality is you are no better than the MAC starting this year. Live with it!

That is really a dumb statement especially when you count the overall athletics of the AAC...Last I checked that Conference still has the Men's and Women National Champion in Basketball and they have the Fiesta Bowl Champion with as many as 3 schools likely to be Preseason Top 30 in Football in Cincinnati, Houston and UCF with a much better TV Deal with ESPN....07-coffee3
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(06-27-2014 01:53 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:43 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:32 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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Akron has spoken. Lol.

What a maroon.
Really?

I want to see your conference stand on your own(without the Big East bus pass). If yor are the same place 5 years from now, i got your back.

Just looking at some of the threads, you guys think that you are way better then everybody else and you only concerns are markets.Thats fact.

The reality is you are no better than the MAC starting this year. Live with it!

That is really a dumb statement especially when you count the overall athletics of the AAC...Last I checked that Conference still has the Men's and Women National Champion in Basketball and they have the Fiesta Bowl Champion with as many as 3 schools likely to be Preseason Top 30 in Football in Cincinnati, Houston and UCF with a much better TV Deal with ESPN....07-coffee3

Like I said, off one year off someone eles bus pass. Also with cash from a settlement(forgot to add that). Dont hide facts.

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Besides,one of your schools(Temple), was dropping sports. Dont go there.

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(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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I don't think there are any AAC fans who want to see a merger with the MWC. Overall that would hurt the AAC more than help it.
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(06-27-2014 01:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  Merger without the Fat:

American Division
South Florida
Central Florida
Cincinnati
UConn
East Carolina
Navy
Memphis
Temple

Mountain Division
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Boise State
Fresno State
Air Force
BYU
San Diego State

I like this trim the fat conference better

East
UConn, Cincy, UCF, USF, Memphis, Navy FB

West
BYU, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Col. ST., AFA FB
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