(06-27-2014 08:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I expect UT-K to use Stokes as part of their recruiting pitch for Memphis players ( eg, "go to UT and you too can play in the NBA in your home town"). Make no mistake, the Tigers are harmed by this pick and not acknowledging the fact is deliberate ignorance.

Considering Stokes is out there saying the fact that he went to UT kept him out of the first round, the less UT says about him on the recruiting trail the better.

In fact, schools are going to be using Stokes against the Vols.

(06-27-2014 11:51 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I expect UT-K to use Stokes as part of their recruiting pitch for Memphis players ( eg, "go to UT and you too can play in the NBA in your home town"). Make no mistake, the Tigers are harmed by this pick and not acknowledging the fact is deliberate ignorance.

Considering Stokes is out there saying the fact that he went to UT kept him out of the first round, the less UT says about him on the recruiting trail 0the better.

In fact, schools are going to be using Stokes against the Vols.

That is probably true, and Stokes will probably be public with not liking how UTK treated Cuonzo Martin.

(06-27-2014 10:10 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:03 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 07:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 07:52 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 07:48 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  He wanted to enter college mid-season. We had no room on the roster.

I'm not a Stokes fan, but the guy is a freak. He's massive, and still growing. He was probably the best rebounder in college last year. He has a lot of Z-Bo in him, and it will be great for him to work with Z-Bo.

I don't like Jarnell or UT, but this was a pretty solid pickup for a second rounder.

Ok, we did offer and he found it in his best interest to go to UT-K.

No, we did NOT offer, b/c we didn't have a scholarship available when Stokes jumped early. And the reason he jumped early was perfectly understandable.

We never offered Stokes for the next season?

Maybe you should consider a kid who thinks he would be one and done thought it made sense for him to go in as a 17 year old and play $EC competition on athletic scholarship instead of sitting at home for six months waiting for a scholarship and not playing competitive basketball for a full year.

More importantly, this is about the Grizz and he was going to the NBA regardless so why is anyone on this board b'ing about the kid not playing for the Tigers. It's crying over spilled milk.

I'm overjoyed about getting Stokes and if we get the steal of the draft, he'll be ZBo's heir apparent. Can you imagine this kid having ZBo teach him for three or four years?

Stokes joined the Vols despite an offer (apparently) from the Tigers for the next season. I understand he was in a hurry and he has to pursue his self interest.

My interest is the promotion and well being of the Tigers. Stokes joining the Griz does nothing but hurt the Tigers. I see no upside. I cannot cheer for a team undermining the Tigers. Others may differ and they may follow their own conscience.

(06-27-2014 11:51 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I expect UT-K to use Stokes as part of their recruiting pitch for Memphis players ( eg, "go to UT and you too can play in the NBA in your home town"). Make no mistake, the Tigers are harmed by this pick and not acknowledging the fact is deliberate ignorance.

Considering Stokes is out there saying the fact that he went to UT kept him out of the first round, the less UT says about him on the recruiting trail the better.

In fact, schools are going to be using Stokes against the Vols.

Martin is gone. The new coach can blame Martin and stay on the message I mentioned. Hopefully, I am wrong.

(06-27-2014 09:28 AM)kabluey Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 10:36 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Grizz will take a Vol but not a Tiger...sigh

I believe, although I cannot prove it, that Griz management has Tigerphopia. I think they are afraid of being called homers by their peers and the media. Otherwise, it hard to explain picking Thabeet over Evans, for example.

Because Lorenzen Wright, Elliott Perry, and Antonio Burks were never Tigers...

ROFL.

I would welcome a return to the past policy of many years ago but lately the Griz passed on a Tiger player to draft Thabee and have no Tigers on the current roster.

Wow heading to UTK turned him from a projected lottery pick to someone who was traded for a second round draft pick. IF he makes the team. No guarantee

(06-27-2014 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 10:36 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Grizz will take a Vol but not a Tiger...sigh

I believe, although I cannot prove it, that Griz management has Tigerphopia. I think they are afraid of being called homers by their peers and the media. Otherwise, it hard to explain picking Thabeet over Evans, for example.

They have had a habit of drafting players which have either alienated Tigers fans or players who have had a hand in beating the Tigers in post season.

(06-27-2014 09:33 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 11:31 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 10:33 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

Thabeet II. Good grief.

You're comparing a #2 overall pick to a 2nd rounder. There's no pressure for him to work out vs missing out on guys like Steph Curry. Not your best work.

Of course not, my best work never shows up here, I sell that for money. But trading for this guy seems bizarre. He will never be much of a contributor, if he even makes the team. However, if fans of the Grizz are happy with it then my skepticism and condescension should not, and do not, matter.

What percentage of second rounders make the team? Hint, it's kinda low. So no, he may never be much of a contributor, but that would be the average for second rounders. In fact, if he ever contributed at all, it would be an above average move. Acting like this compares to the Thabeet pick is a bit bizarre.

(06-27-2014 12:28 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 10:36 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Grizz will take a Vol but not a Tiger...sigh

I believe, although I cannot prove it, that Griz management has Tigerphopia. I think they are afraid of being called homers by their peers and the media. Otherwise, it hard to explain picking Thabeet over Evans, for example.

They have had a habit of drafting players which have either alienated Tigers fans or players who have had a hand in beating the Tigers in post season.

Really? Mike Conley and Demarre Carroll ... 2 in the last 15 years. Maybe I missed someone. I guess Xavier Henry may have "alienated" Tiger fans, but I would say most fans blamed Cal, not Henry for that.

Do you really expect the Grizz to cross a guy off their board because their college team beat the Tigers? On the other hand, do you seriously think they move guys up on their board because of that same fact?

(06-27-2014 09:05 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:06 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I expect UT-K to use Stokes as part of their recruiting pitch for Memphis players ( eg, "go to UT and you too can play in the NBA in your home town"). Make no mistake, the Tigers are harmed by this pick and not acknowledging the fact is deliberate ignorance.

LOL ... as if the fact that the Grizzlies have one UTK player on their roster (if he even makes the roster) creates some sort of pipeline.

This is crazy talk. UT has gotten exactly one player that the Tigers really wanted in the last 30 or so years, and that was Tony Harris (and there was a lot of shady stuff going on there).

Why you would be worried about UT recruiting in Memphis is beyond me. Bruce Pearl has a better shot of getting Memphis kids to Auburn.

Do you think it is a positive development for the Tigers that Stokes may play for the Griz? If so, please detail the reasons.

I have no problem admitting I am wrong when facts and logic dictate.

I think it has no relation to the Tigers whatsoever.

Asking for a reason is like asking someone to prove a negative ... i.e. asking someone to prove they aren't communist.

Also, remind me again why the Grizzlies owe anything to the Tigers ...

.

I am not asking a question like the last time you beat your wife. It was a straight forward question. It is your choice to answer it in a like straight forward manner.

The Griz owe the Tigers nothing and Tiger fans owe the Griz nothing, although the FedEx Forum would not have been possible without both parties. Remember, the Griz are a business with a goal of building wealth for the owner. Tiger fans owe the Griz no more civic loyality to the Griz than any other business in Memphis not providing material support to the Tigers.

(06-27-2014 12:28 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 10:36 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Grizz will take a Vol but not a Tiger...sigh

I believe, although I cannot prove it, that Griz management has Tigerphopia. I think they are afraid of being called homers by their peers and the media. Otherwise, it hard to explain picking Thabeet over Evans, for example.

They have had a habit of drafting players which have either alienated Tigers fans or players who have had a hand in beating the Tigers in post season.

True, they hire Tiger killers. I surmise it is not out of malice or spite but because Griz management think the players offer the best opportunity to win. I am concerned they pass on Tiger players with comparable or better skills.

The kid graduated early and went straight from high school ball to banging against kids that Calipari recruited. He had 22 double doubles this year. The Grizzlies were very high on him. There are some podcasts on 92.9 where Wallace was talking about how they were so impressed with him. He was the main guy they wanted in this draft so they could dump Ed Davis. It didn't just happen by chance they got him. They wanted this kid. The thing is most of you don't care or don't know because you do not follow the Grizz. The fact is you are here because you are butthurt that the Grizzlies selected him. My guess is you guys have never been to a Grizzlies game. "Us" fans are made up of Tiger fans, Ole Miss fans and Tennessee Fans. Even People from Arkansas that follow the razorbacks or Arkansas State. You leave your college gear at home.

I don't get why you can't be happy for a Memphis Born kid who dreamed of playing for his Grizzlies.

I'm happy for Jarnell - always liked his hard work and determination. Good trade!

(06-27-2014 01:36 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  The kid graduated early and went straight from high school ball to banging against kids that Calipari recruited. He had 22 double doubles this year. The Grizzlies were very high on him. There are some podcasts on 92.9 where Wallace was talking about how they were so impressed with him. He was the main guy they wanted in this draft so they could dump Ed Davis. It didn't just happen by chance they got him. They wanted this kid. The thing is most of you don't care or don't know because you do not follow the Grizz. The fact is you are here because you are butthurt that the Grizzlies selected him. My guess is you guys have never been to a Grizzlies game. "Us" fans are made up of Tiger fans, Ole Miss fans and Tennessee Fans. Even People from Arkansas that follow the razorbacks or Arkansas State. You leave your college gear at home.

I don't get why you can't be happy for a Memphis Born kid who dreamed of playing for his Grizzlies.

Interesting comments.

I like it when the Grizzlies pick any Memphis players--even Tarik Black might have been nice. hah. It's kind of odd that they don't pick Tiger players, though.

Most all of us have been to see our Grizzlies play, btw. I recall when we gave Joey Dorsey a standing ovation, even though he was on the other team. Houston won that game, btw, because Dorsey had such a spectacular night at the Forum.

Many of us also remember how the Stokes to UTK thing went down. Lord have mercy! It was one of those messy back and forth drama queen events involving the carving of a pumpkin.

But then everything got off track. Someone (I don't know who) advised Stokes to change high schools his last year--to one where he was not allowed to play BB.

If I were to 'blame' someone for losing him to UTK , my finger would point to that or those persons who advised him to switch high schools. lol.

Coming back to the Future though, I think Stokes will benefit from Zbo--glad he's staying.

(06-27-2014 01:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 09:05 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:06 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 08:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I expect UT-K to use Stokes as part of their recruiting pitch for Memphis players ( eg, "go to UT and you too can play in the NBA in your home town"). Make no mistake, the Tigers are harmed by this pick and not acknowledging the fact is deliberate ignorance.

LOL ... as if the fact that the Grizzlies have one UTK player on their roster (if he even makes the roster) creates some sort of pipeline.

This is crazy talk. UT has gotten exactly one player that the Tigers really wanted in the last 30 or so years, and that was Tony Harris (and there was a lot of shady stuff going on there).

Why you would be worried about UT recruiting in Memphis is beyond me. Bruce Pearl has a better shot of getting Memphis kids to Auburn.

Do you think it is a positive development for the Tigers that Stokes may play for the Griz? If so, please detail the reasons.

I have no problem admitting I am wrong when facts and logic dictate.

I think it has no relation to the Tigers whatsoever.

Asking for a reason is like asking someone to prove a negative ... i.e. asking someone to prove they aren't communist.

Also, remind me again why the Grizzlies owe anything to the Tigers ...

.

I am not asking a question like the last time you beat your wife. It was a straight forward question. It is your choice to answer it in a like straight forward manner.

The Griz owe the Tigers nothing and Tiger fans owe the Griz nothing, although the FedEx Forum would not have been possible without both parties. Remember, the Griz are a business with a goal of building wealth for the owner. Tiger fans owe the Griz no more civic loyality to the Griz than any other business in Memphis not providing material support to the Tigers.

FedExForum was gonna happened with or without the Tigers. It just made economic sense for the tigers to play in FEF. More importantly, FedEx wanted the tigers to play in FedExForum.

(06-27-2014 12:36 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 12:28 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 10:36 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Grizz will take a Vol but not a Tiger...sigh

I believe, although I cannot prove it, that Griz management has Tigerphopia. I think they are afraid of being called homers by their peers and the media. Otherwise, it hard to explain picking Thabeet over Evans, for example.

They have had a habit of drafting players which have either alienated Tigers fans or players who have had a hand in beating the Tigers in post season.

Really? Mike Conley and Demarre Carroll ... 2 in the last 15 years. Maybe I missed someone. I guess Xavier Henry may have "alienated" Tiger fans, but I would say most fans blamed Cal, not Henry for that.

Do you really expect the Grizz to cross a guy off their board because their college team beat the Tigers? On the other hand, do you seriously think they move guys up on their board because of that same fact?

You forgot the biggest one: Darrell Arthur.

(06-27-2014 12:29 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 09:33 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 11:31 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 10:33 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

Thabeet II. Good grief.

You're comparing a #2 overall pick to a 2nd rounder. There's no pressure for him to work out vs missing out on guys like Steph Curry. Not your best work.

Of course not, my best work never shows up here, I sell that for money. But trading for this guy seems bizarre. He will never be much of a contributor, if he even makes the team. However, if fans of the Grizz are happy with it then my skepticism and condescension should not, and do not, matter.

What percentage of second rounders make the team? Hint, it's kinda low. So no, he may never be much of a contributor, but that would be the average for second rounders. In fact, if he ever contributed at all, it would be an above average move. Acting like this compares to the Thabeet pick is a bit bizarre.

Hyperbolic perhaps, but not bizarre. But like I said, if you're happy with it, then great! The only real purpose for following the draft is to provide fodder for people who disagree to discuss on message boards, which we are doing. So in that regard it was quite successful.

(06-27-2014 02:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:36 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  The kid graduated early and went straight from high school ball to banging against kids that Calipari recruited. He had 22 double doubles this year. The Grizzlies were very high on him. There are some podcasts on 92.9 where Wallace was talking about how they were so impressed with him. He was the main guy they wanted in this draft so they could dump Ed Davis. It didn't just happen by chance they got him. They wanted this kid. The thing is most of you don't care or don't know because you do not follow the Grizz. The fact is you are here because you are butthurt that the Grizzlies selected him. My guess is you guys have never been to a Grizzlies game. "Us" fans are made up of Tiger fans, Ole Miss fans and Tennessee Fans. Even People from Arkansas that follow the razorbacks or Arkansas State. You leave your college gear at home.

I don't get why you can't be happy for a Memphis Born kid who dreamed of playing for his Grizzlies.

Interesting comments.

I like it when the Grizzlies pick any Memphis players--even Tarik Black might have been nice. hah. It's kind of odd that they don't pick Tiger players, though.

Most all of us have been to see our Grizzlies play, btw. I recall when we gave Joey Dorsey a standing ovation, even though he was on the other team. Houston won that game, btw, because Dorsey had such a spectacular night at the Forum.

Many of us also remember how the Stokes to UTK thing went down. Lord have mercy! It was one of those messy back and forth drama queen events involving the carving of a pumpkin.

But then everything got off track. Someone (I don't know who) advised Stokes to change high schools his last year--to one where he was not allowed to play BB.

If I were to 'blame' someone for losing him to UTK , my finger would point to that or those persons who advised him to switch high schools. lol.

Coming back to the Future though, I think Stokes will benefit from Zbo--glad he's staying.

I'd love it if we had a way to get Thaddeus Young.

(06-27-2014 02:40 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 12:36 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 12:28 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 10:36 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Grizz will take a Vol but not a Tiger...sigh

I believe, although I cannot prove it, that Griz management has Tigerphopia. I think they are afraid of being called homers by their peers and the media. Otherwise, it hard to explain picking Thabeet over Evans, for example.

They have had a habit of drafting players which have either alienated Tigers fans or players who have had a hand in beating the Tigers in post season.

Really? Mike Conley and Demarre Carroll ... 2 in the last 15 years. Maybe I missed someone. I guess Xavier Henry may have "alienated" Tiger fans, but I would say most fans blamed Cal, not Henry for that.

Do you really expect the Grizz to cross a guy off their board because their college team beat the Tigers? On the other hand, do you seriously think they move guys up on their board because of that same fact?

You forgot the biggest one: Darrell Arthur.

Tru dat.

(06-27-2014 02:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 02:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:36 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  The kid graduated early and went straight from high school ball to banging against kids that Calipari recruited. He had 22 double doubles this year. The Grizzlies were very high on him. There are some podcasts on 92.9 where Wallace was talking about how they were so impressed with him. He was the main guy they wanted in this draft so they could dump Ed Davis. It didn't just happen by chance they got him. They wanted this kid. The thing is most of you don't care or don't know because you do not follow the Grizz. The fact is you are here because you are butthurt that the Grizzlies selected him. My guess is you guys have never been to a Grizzlies game. "Us" fans are made up of Tiger fans, Ole Miss fans and Tennessee Fans. Even People from Arkansas that follow the razorbacks or Arkansas State. You leave your college gear at home.

I don't get why you can't be happy for a Memphis Born kid who dreamed of playing for his Grizzlies.

Interesting comments.

I like it when the Grizzlies pick any Memphis players--even Tarik Black might have been nice. hah. It's kind of odd that they don't pick Tiger players, though.

Most all of us have been to see our Grizzlies play, btw. I recall when we gave Joey Dorsey a standing ovation, even though he was on the other team. Houston won that game, btw, because Dorsey had such a spectacular night at the Forum.

Many of us also remember how the Stokes to UTK thing went down. Lord have mercy! It was one of those messy back and forth drama queen events involving the carving of a pumpkin.

But then everything got off track. Someone (I don't know who) advised Stokes to change high schools his last year--to one where he was not allowed to play BB.

If I were to 'blame' someone for losing him to UTK , my finger would point to that or those persons who advised him to switch high schools. lol.

Coming back to the Future though, I think Stokes will benefit from Zbo--glad he's staying.

I'd love it if we had a way to get Thaddeus Young.

We don't want Thaddeus Young. He could have played for the Tigers but went to Georgia Tech.