How did the TV contract play out???

did the b12 negotiate with mizz/aggie in the league and retained the terms of that deal when wvu/tcu came in? (i have heard this version on csnbbs several times)

or did the b12 negotiate entirely with TCU/wvu

another poster and I were having a discussion over the wording of that event in this article:
http://sportspolitico.com/2014/06/23/the...time-soon/

I was wondering if anyone knows the details on how that deal went down?

(06-23-2014 04:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  How did the TV contract play out???

did the b12 negotiate with mizz/aggie in the league and retained the terms of that deal when wvu/tcu came in? (i have heard this version on csnbbs several times)

or did the b12 negotiate entirely with TCU/wvu

another poster and I were having a discussion over the wording of that event in this article:
http://sportspolitico.com/2014/06/23/the...time-soon/

I was wondering if anyone knows the details on how that deal went down?

FOX deal was signed in early 2011. When two teams left the league the deal was maintained when FOX blessed the 2 additions. This contract is for the bottom 60 games. Any difference in value is not going to be felt here, it would be felt in the tier 1 deal.

The ESPN deal was signed in 2012 with existing membership and is for the top 19-23 football games (grows in 2016) and basketball rights.

After some details were worked out with the LHN the two tv partners agreed to trade some rights. FOX got more high profile games and ESPN got more flexibility to get a league game on the LHN with conference members approval and other stipulations.

not only did the ESPN tier 1 deal get signed when the Big 12 was 10 teams with WVU and TCU as members it was renegotiated several years EARLY because the deal originally was 8 years 480 million and ended in 2015-16

the new deal signed in September of 2012 is for 1.43 billion ending in 2024-25 so a bump of about 50 million per year of 5 million per team per year over the life of the deal

and ESPN also agreed to the Sugar Bowl deal with the Big 12 and the SEC SEC SEC after the Big 12 was configured with TCU and WVU

so the premise of that article is baseless and easily disproved because ESPN did not one, but two major deals with the Big 12 after they were a 10 team conference with TCU and WVU and valued them higher than in the past in one deal and renegotiated that deal several years early and in the second total conference revenues are the same as the SEC SEC SEC......so BIG 12 BIG 12 BIG 12!!!

Someone seems to constantly need to bring up the SEC when the subject is the Big 12

Its like they are desperate to have everyone see the Big 12 as equal to the SEC but not so concerned about comparing them to anyone else

Why is that?
Oh and "Big 12 Big12 Big 12"....really?

(06-23-2014 05:03 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Someone seems to constantly need to bring up the SEC when the subject is the Big 12

Its like they are desperate to have everyone see the Big 12 as equal to the SEC but not so concerned about comparing them to anyone else

Why is that?

Who mentioned anything about the SEC other than mentioning they were the other partner in the Sugar Bowl deal?

(06-23-2014 05:07 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 05:03 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Someone seems to constantly need to bring up the SEC when the subject is the Big 12

Its like they are desperate to have everyone see the Big 12 as equal to the SEC but not so concerned about comparing them to anyone else

Why is that?

Who mentioned anything about the SEC other than mentioning they were the other partner in the Sugar Bowl deal?

Quote:so...BIG 12 BIG 12 BIG 12!!!

(06-23-2014 05:08 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

Quote:so...BIG 12 BIG 12 BIG 12!!!

if only A&M thought like that when they were IN the Big 12 perhaps they would not have sucked so bad and been such a drag on the conference overall

Aww thats sweet coming from a Texas State bobcat who pretends he went to schools in Austin!

And if an athletic department that out performed pretty much every other one in the Big 12 according to the Directors Cup is "a drag" I'd hate to see what you think of the rest of the Big 12

(06-23-2014 05:20 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Aww thats sweet coming from a Texas State bobcat who pretends he went to schools in Austin!

thanks guy with a Blinn JuCo degree that pretends he was in the Army!

Son, I fought over seas so I don't really care what you think.

Im openly honest about my fan status. I could have pretend to be a graduate of any school but I dont.

You on the other hand hide where you went to school while pumping UT and the Big 12.

Would you care to take this moment to set the record straight about where your degree is from?

(06-23-2014 05:26 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Son, I fought over seas so I don't really care what you think.

Im openly honest about my fan status. I could have pretend to be a graduate of any school but I dont.

You on the other hand hide where you went to school while pumping UT and the Big 12.

Would you care to take this moment to set the record straight about where your degree is from?

see here is what someone like you will never understand

I am looking to discuss ideas and I will proffer an opinion and support it for discussion and I do not need to rely on "who I am" or "where I was in Nam" or "I did this or that" because that is meaningless in terms of the internet or discussing something that has nothing to do with any of that

admitting you are an Aggie homer does not make your ideas or your opinions any more valid and in your case it just explains why you hold some of the laughable and easily dismissed ideas that you do hold

I have no interest in getting into a discussion about someones internet persona real or fake and I am intelligent enough to know that I and many others can pretend to be or fake being anything and everything they wish to be

but what you can't fake is putting forth an idea and supporting it with factual information VS attempting to do as you and so many others that can't support their opinions do and that is to try and go after and discredit the messenger

what you can't understand or grasp is that I do not care about YOU the individual or where you went to school or where you were in Korea or what degree you claim to have or how many certifications you hold or how many hearts you have transplanted because none of that means anything if you can't support or defend the actual point of what is being discussed

and as soon as you run into people that start to ask where you went to school or to present your personal credentials (on the internet no less) you know that you are dealing with someone that can't really debate an idea or stick to an idea they can support and instead you are dealing with someone that would rather attack the messenger and present web a persona and expect the rest of us to buy into it

so again you can tell the rest of us all about squeezing nuts in the Corps at A&M and doing naked pushups with each other ect and I am sure those are all fascinating stories, but they really do not support much else other than you have some personal stories that you care to share with the rest of us even if we care or don't care

so you can believe whatever you wish about me and you can tell us all about yourself, but that does not support an opinion in most discussions especially when over the WWW where pretty much anyone can be anything and some can even have multiple screen names and argue with themselves or "back each other up" or anything of the sort.......which is why I prefer to just stick to the topic at hand instead of getting bogged down in who is pretending to be what on the WWW of all places

so BIG 12 BIG 12 BIG 12!!!

should have tried that when you were here not after you ran off from UT UT UT!!!

Lets see, you're clearly not a Big 12 or UT grad but you pump for them almost religiously.

You're on the Sun Belt Conference board and SBC threads which means you care about a Sun Belt team

Now whiiich school in TX has lots of UT t-shirt fans because they are ashamed of their real school, plays in the SBC and has a ton to lose from more realignment because their conference is the bottom man on the totem pole....

why there's only one!

BOBCATS! BOBCATS! BOBCATS!

(06-23-2014 05:48 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Lets see, you're clearly not a Big 12 or UT grad but you pump for them almost religiously.

You're on the Sun Belt Conference board and SBC threads which means you care about a Sun Belt team

Now whiiich school in TX has lots of UT t-shirt fans because they are ashamed of their real school, plays in the SBC and has a ton to lose from more realignment because their conference is the bottom man on the totem pole....

why there's only one!

BOBCATS! BOBCATS! BOBCATS!

and here we can clearly see why some people have to try and go after the messenger

because they are so biased they are incapable of having a rational discussion on anything and they are not capable of actually supporting an opinion so they think if they poke at someone or if they can discredit someone that makes their unsupported and invalidated opinion somehow more valid

when really it just makes them seem silly

and all the worse if I was to say "I went to this school" or "I worked for this school" or whatever as you want me to as soon as you were incapable of supporting some other opinion in some other discussion you would be saying that I had to resort to falsely claiming that I was a student somewhere or worked somewhere to support my opinion

when of course I had never made that claim to support an opinion I had just stated it to make a clown stop being such a clown.....but of course clowns clown so it is useless to try and stop them from clowning and instead let them try and claim they have a clue about someone on the WWW that they have never met and never will meet and know nothing about and pretending that validates their opinions....while I will continue presenting actual facts and information to support the opinion that I am putting forth

so hey whatever method works for you that is for you to decide I prefer not to get into big internet persona discussions and have people try and prove or disprove something about themselves personally especially when I could not care less about that and it will do nothing to make me understand or see or believe or not believe their opinions on something when I can just look at the actual relevant and verifiable information or the actual idea they have put forth and supported or failed to support and make a judgement based on that

This thread is effectively derailed into a shouting match. You two can take your argument to private messages. We're done here.