5 Tulsa (53 returning, 13 lost) - 80.30%
13 UCF (39 returning, 11 lost) - 78.00%
14 Memphis (53 returning, 15 lost) - 77.94%
42 Tulane (48 returning, 19 lost) - 71.64%
45 Cincinnati (47 returning, 19 lost) -71.21%
46 SMU (42 returning, 17 lost) - 71.19%
57 USF (42 returning, 18 lost) - 70.00%
81 Houston (45 returning, 21 lost) -68.18%
93 UConn (39 returning, 20 lost) - 66.10%
103 ECU (48 returning, 27 lost) - 64.00%
112 Temple (34 returning, 21 lost) - 61.82%

Looks like we should expect some pretty big improvement from Tulsa.

I think he will stay retired. He doesn't want to be a Jay Leno.


Oh wait, whoops,

hahahaha

Shouldn't it be scholarship players returning? 3rd string QB and walk on kicker are a bit different than starting LT and top WR...

Lettermen have to play a certain % to be considered such.

(06-23-2014 04:01 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  Lettermen have to play a certain % to be considered such.

And by my count, that would put Temple at 17, not 21, although I would only say 11 of them are actually losses. A QB who throws 16 passes all year shouldn't be included.

here are lists of other returners:

Career OL Starts Returning:

17) USF 104
44) Houston 75
53) Cincinnati 71
65) Memphis 63
73) Tulane 59
94) UCF 45
97) SMU 44
105) East Carolina 38
111) Connecticut 33
111) Temple 33
117) Tulsa 31

% of Yards Returning (returning players who created the yards)

6) Memphis 91.47%
12) Houston 88.63%
33) Temple 76.37%
35) East Carolina 76.29%
55) Tulane 69.78%
60) USF 67.34%
92) Cincinnati 50.81%
105) UCF 39.03%
116) Tulsa 33.10%
120) SMU 29.98%

% of Tackles Returning:

4) Houston 85.40%
6) UCF 84.88%
30) Memphis 75.73%
34) Tulsa 75.08%
36) Temple 73.41%
70) Cincinnati 62.49%
79) Tulane 60.84%
88) SMU 57.67%
98) Connecticut 54.26%
113) East Carolina 50.20%
116) USF 48.01%

Two-Deep Class Breakdown (how veteran-ed is your team, seniors got more points than fresh, starters got more points than the 2deep from projected and post-spring depth charts)

15) Cincinnati
25) Memphis
40) Houston
54) USF
60) East Carolina
97) UCF
100) Connecticut
102) Tulane
113) Tulsa
117) SMU
120) Temple

having letterman back is a great thing as it means a coach is getting back players that he likes, but that isn't any indication of how they will do next year, all because 1 coach might hand out lettermans to every player he likes and another more diligent in who who he gives it to doesnt mean the first team is better.

these other lists probably tell a better story

I don't understand the yardage metric. We lost storm who was 1100 but we returned stanback. Does this not include receivers?


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(06-23-2014 10:31 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I don't understand the yardage metric. We lost storm who was 1100 but we returned stanback. Does this not include receivers?


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qb is given a percentage of the passing yards (split between WR and QB), not to mention his runs..

and stanback had about 450 rushing last year, Johnson had close to 1200 (not including the almost 300 more he had in receiving)

It will be an interesting year:

-USF has a great stat line for the O-line, but is last in returning tackles.

-ECU has low tackles and o-line stats, but high returning offense.

-UCF is high on tackles, but medium on o-line and low on returning yards.

-Cincy is high on o-line, and mid-level on both tackles and returning yards.

-Houston is the high in all three categories.

This is why I believe ECU will not have as great of a year as expected.

(06-24-2014 06:44 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  This is why I believe ECU will not have as great of a year as expected.

For my sake and the rest of the pirate fans.. i hope your belief inst true sir...

ECU Pirate

UCF has 2 guys returning that made ESPN top 10 (#1 and #2) plays. The plays even went heads up on a PTI segment.....that's gotta count for like 1000 tackles right?

The stats for memphis are interesting...I think they will have one of their best teams in recent history this year - which will be good for the conference (Please prove me right and win your OOC games...)

(06-24-2014 06:44 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  This is why I believe ECU will not have as great of a year as expected.

You are just scratching the surface if that's all you look at and believe.

#1 We got 2 of the biggest stars in the nation including one at the most important position on the field that have been the cornerstones of our teams that have won 18 games those two years and have been directly and most responsible for a positive trending up in wins since they became starters. They are at two of the very most important positions where you can actually impact the game.

#2 Really, who did we really lose of irreplaceable value? Seriously. We didn't have a single NFL draft pick last year that graduated. Cooper had a lot of yards in this system but it's not like he was some great prospect and his back ups like Allen had similar yards per carries.

-Our offensive line returns 4 guys with at least 6 starts and 29 total starts.

-Our Dline returns 6 of the top 7 and will be one of the best in the league, probably outside of QB/WR the best unit on the team.

-our Linebackers return 3 of the top 5 including the leading tackler and the other two were only about 15 tackles behind him.

-our secondary returns our 2 guys that had more tackles than one of the "starters" and only about 10 fewer than two others "starters" and another guy that was in that rotation in 2012 and had 25 tackles that year.

Seriously what people miss is we had a deep team and our tackles were spread out and lots of players that played. Our leading tackler last year only had 60 tackles. It's not like we lost these super impact players. We still return a lot of guys with 35+ tackles that have seen the field a lot. Our offensive line has 4 guys with at least 6 starts. There is experience there too, most of our projected starters are upperclassmen, and we got super stars where it counts the most.

The reason I'm not a fan of the returning yards ranking is because is doesn't really highlight the players in a true, 2-deep system. Latavius Murray rushed for over 1,100 yards in 2012 while Storm Johnson rushed for about 500 as his backup. This past year, Storm rushed for over 1,100 yards while Will Stanback rushed for about 500 as his backup. All indications are that Will Stanback will get the rock almost exclusively this year. This almost undoubtedly will put him at over 1,000 yards this season despite the ranking only accounting for his limited effort.

In addition to that, yards don't really tell me how good a team will be. A team can earn 700 yards a game but it's the TDs scored I'm interested in. If anyone knows where to find a returning TDs stat, please post.

(06-24-2014 08:04 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  The reason I'm not a fan of the returning yards ranking is because is doesn't really highlight the players in a true, 2-deep system. Latavius Murray rushed for over 1,100 yards in 2012 while Storm Johnson rushed for about 500 as his backup. This past year, Storm rushed for over 1,100 yards while Will Stanback rushed for about 500 as his backup. All indications are that Will Stanback will get the rock almost exclusively this year. This almost undoubtedly will put him at over 1,000 yards this season despite the ranking only accounting for his limited effort.

In addition to that, yards don't really tell me how good a team will be. A team can earn 700 yards a game but it's the TDs scored I'm interested in. If anyone knows where to find a returning TDs stat, please post.

Who's the QB? I'd be more worried about that after losing a top 3 draft pick.

(06-24-2014 07:59 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 06:44 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  This is why I believe ECU will not have as great of a year as expected.

You are just scratching the surface if that's all you look at and believe.

#1 We got 2 of the biggest stars in the nation including one at the most important position on the field that have been the cornerstones of our teams that have won 18 games those two years and have been directly and most responsible for a positive trending up in wins since they became starters. They are at two of the very most important positions where you can actually impact the game.

#2 Really, who did we really lose of irreplaceable value? Seriously. We didn't have a single NFL draft pick last year that graduated. Cooper had a lot of yards in this system but it's not like he was some great prospect and his back ups like Allen had similar yards per carries.

-Our offensive line returns 4 guys with at least 6 starts and 29 total starts.

-Our Dline returns 6 of the top 7 and will be one of the best in the league, probably outside of QB/WR the best unit on the team.

-our Linebackers return 3 of the top 5 including the leading tackler and the other two were only about 15 tackles behind him.

-our secondary returns our 2 guys that had more tackles than one of the "starters" and only about 10 fewer than two others "starters" and another guy that was in that rotation in 2012 and had 25 tackles that year.

Seriously what people miss is we had a deep team and our tackles were spread out and lots of players that played. Our leading tackler last year only had 60 tackles. It's not like we lost these super impact players. We still return a lot of guys with 35+ tackles that have seen the field a lot. Our offensive line has 4 guys with at least 6 starts. There is experience there too, most of our projected starters are upperclassmen, and we got super stars where it counts the most.

They know nothing about our team. . . what do you expect.
I feel you are downplaying the secondary though. . . we dont really know what we have. We lost some good oline too. Skill positions we are stacked. . . our Dline is stout.

(06-23-2014 06:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  here are lists of other returners:

Career OL Starts Returning:

17) USF 104
44) Houston 75
53) Cincinnati 71
65) Memphis 63
73) Tulane 59
94) UCF 45
97) SMU 44
105) East Carolina 38
111) Connecticut 33
111) Temple 33
117) Tulsa 31

% of Yards Returning (returning players who created the yards)

6) Memphis 91.47%
12) Houston 88.63%
33) Temple 76.37%
35) East Carolina 76.29%
55) Tulane 69.78%
60) USF 67.34%
92) Cincinnati 50.81%
105) UCF 39.03%
116) Tulsa 33.10%
120) SMU 29.98%

% of Tackles Returning:

4) Houston 85.40%
6) UCF 84.88%
30) Memphis 75.73%
34) Tulsa 75.08%
36) Temple 73.41%
70) Cincinnati 62.49%
79) Tulane 60.84%
88) SMU 57.67%
98) Connecticut 54.26%
113) East Carolina 50.20%
116) USF 48.01%

Good info...of course in regards to UCF returning yardage...much of that were from passes thrown from Bortles (no longer at UCF) to WR's (all but one came back)...so even that stat can be inflated a bit (i.e. importance of having a top QB...something UCF won't know if they have till games are played this year).

(06-24-2014 07:59 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 06:44 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  This is why I believe ECU will not have as great of a year as expected.

You are just scratching the surface if that's all you look at and believe.

#1 We got 2 of the biggest stars in the nation including one at the most important position on the field that have been the cornerstones of our teams that have won 18 games those two years and have been directly and most responsible for a positive trending up in wins since they became starters. They are at two of the very most important positions where you can actually impact the game.

#2 Really, who did we really lose of irreplaceable value? Seriously. We didn't have a single NFL draft pick last year that graduated. Cooper had a lot of yards in this system but it's not like he was some great prospect and his back ups like Allen had similar yards per carries.

-Our offensive line returns 4 guys with at least 6 starts and 29 total starts.

-Our Dline returns 6 of the top 7 and will be one of the best in the league, probably outside of QB/WR the best unit on the team.

-our Linebackers return 3 of the top 5 including the leading tackler and the other two were only about 15 tackles behind him.

-our secondary returns our 2 guys that had more tackles than one of the "starters" and only about 10 fewer than two others "starters" and another guy that was in that rotation in 2012 and had 25 tackles that year.

Seriously what people miss is we had a deep team and our tackles were spread out and lots of players that played. Our leading tackler last year only had 60 tackles. It's not like we lost these super impact players. We still return a lot of guys with 35+ tackles that have seen the field a lot. Our offensive line has 4 guys with at least 6 starts. There is experience there too, most of our projected starters are upperclassmen, and we got super stars where it counts the most.

I thought the number didn't matter? I thought it was total such as total receiving yards. We returned all of our too receivers this year. If that's the case that explains our receiving yards because he spread the ball out to 5 different receivers. It was part of the reason we were so dangerous


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