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RE: Delany puts knife into idea of Uconn to the Big Ten
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(06-20-2014 03:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  That might be the party line but if ND told them they wanted full membership tommorow, somehow I dont see them telling them "Nope, sorry, AAU only!"

UConn ain't Notre Dame

You're right, UConn wins more National Championships in this era.


So, they are in, right?
Terry, you know this isn't about performance, but about Benjamin's. It should be about performance in an ideal world. This is not an ideal world. We in America tell ourselves and the world that there is such a thing as the "American dream," you know that saying that anyone can get ahead if they work hard enough. This is really all about greed, and you know the AAU line is a ruse, and surely Notre Dame would be an exception. This is not an attack on Notre Dame. Surely you are sophisticated enough to recognize the use of sarcasm to illustrate a point.
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(06-20-2014 07:44 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Actually President David Boren is pushing Oklahoma academics hard to attain AAU status. OU now has more merit scholars than any public University.

Also, the State of Oklahoma maybe a only a decent TV market, but OU is a National Brand that likely turns on more TV sets than most schools, including Big Ten teams and schools with much larger TV markets.

Having said that, I do not think they are a Big10 candidate.

The Sooners would be in if Bevo made it a condition of Texas entering the B1G.
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RE: Delany puts knife into idea of Uconn to the Big Ten
(06-20-2014 08:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 07:44 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 05:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 04:31 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  So since there has to be exceptions, who are they?

IMO:

Definitely
Notre Dame

Probably
Oklahoma

Maybe
Virginia Tech
Syracuse
UConn

Nope
Cincy
Boston College

hell yes
notre dame

highly likely
syracuse- being a past AAU, historic rival of a number of b10 schools, and having solid academics, solid athletics/markets, and being in the most sensible state to expand into next, makes them the #2 most likely school IMO to break the aau barrier

has a chance but smaller
boston college- essentially a poor mans version of SU in this situation

^^^^^all three of these schools are a case of solid academics but non research orientated

oklahoma- decent football/market, but unlike all the other schools on this list, they have terrible academics to reaffirm why they are not AAU

no chance
UCONN
Virginia tech

there are far too many reasons to list why these schools will never get an invite and AAU is just one of many.

Actually President David Boren is pushing Oklahoma academics hard to attain AAU status. OU now has more merit scholars than any public University.

Also, the State of Oklahoma maybe a only a decent TV market, but OU is a National Brand that likely turns on more TV sets than most schools, including Big Ten teams and schools with much larger TV markets.

Having said that, I do not think they are a Big10 candidate.

all I am saying is that the other schools have decent academics + no AAU

OU has bad academics + no AAU which makes it a much bigger sticking point than it would be for other schools.

if OU had academics comparable to texas, they would be in the pac14 with OSU. OU simply does not have the academic/football combo to make conferences jump at any opportunity to get them despite having some damn good football.

You are going overboard on OU academics. They are not great, but they are not terrible as you proclaim. And OU and OSU would not be in the PAC14 without Texas regardless of how good their academics might be.
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RE: Delany puts knife into idea of Uconn to the Big Ten
Somehow, if Texas were to accept a Big 10 invite, OU's rivalry with Texas (and Nebraska) would seem more important than AAU status.
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(06-21-2014 08:26 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  
(06-21-2014 07:45 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-21-2014 07:38 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  
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(06-20-2014 03:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  That might be the party line but if ND told them they wanted full membership tommorow, somehow I dont see them telling them "Nope, sorry, AAU only!"

UConn ain't Notre Dame

You're right, UConn wins more National Championships in this era.


So, they are in, right?
Terry, you know this isn't about performance, but about Benjamin's. It should be about performance in an ideal world. This is not an ideal world. We in America tell ourselves and the world that there is such a thing as the "American dream," you know that saying that anyone can get ahead if they work hard enough. This is really all about greed, and you know the AAU line is a ruse, and surely Notre Dame would be an exception. This is not an attack on Notre Dame. Surely you are sophisticated enough to recognize the use of sarcasm to illustrate a point.


Yes, I know. CR is exclusively about cash. Nothing else matters.

It is a ruse. It is a way to exclude UConn from the Big Ten.

I don't believe in the American Dream and haven't for years, particularly since the "trickle down" bullcrap peddled since 1980. There are lots of exceptions and everyone should try to get ahead, but the ones who "make it big" have mostly been born into the "right" families and know the "right" people.

"Those with the gold rule". That is what all societies have been governed by since Sumeria in about 3,500 B.C., at least.

That "work hard enough" stuff is to get the workers to work harder mostly for the owners and bosses to benefit.

I met your sarcasm with sarcasm. Your sarcasm meter must need batteries. :)

(P.S. I am usually sarcastic in real life and on message boards)
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(06-21-2014 09:02 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 08:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 07:44 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 05:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 04:31 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  So since there has to be exceptions, who are they?

IMO:

Definitely
Notre Dame

Probably
Oklahoma

Maybe
Virginia Tech
Syracuse
UConn

Nope
Cincy
Boston College

hell yes
notre dame

highly likely
syracuse- being a past AAU, historic rival of a number of b10 schools, and having solid academics, solid athletics/markets, and being in the most sensible state to expand into next, makes them the #2 most likely school IMO to break the aau barrier

has a chance but smaller
boston college- essentially a poor mans version of SU in this situation

^^^^^all three of these schools are a case of solid academics but non research orientated

oklahoma- decent football/market, but unlike all the other schools on this list, they have terrible academics to reaffirm why they are not AAU

no chance
UCONN
Virginia tech

there are far too many reasons to list why these schools will never get an invite and AAU is just one of many.

Actually President David Boren is pushing Oklahoma academics hard to attain AAU status. OU now has more merit scholars than any public University.

Also, the State of Oklahoma maybe a only a decent TV market, but OU is a National Brand that likely turns on more TV sets than most schools, including Big Ten teams and schools with much larger TV markets.

Having said that, I do not think they are a Big10 candidate.

all I am saying is that the other schools have decent academics + no AAU

OU has bad academics + no AAU which makes it a much bigger sticking point than it would be for other schools.

if OU had academics comparable to texas, they would be in the pac14 with OSU. OU simply does not have the academic/football combo to make conferences jump at any opportunity to get them despite having some damn good football.

You are going overboard on OU academics. They are not great, but they are not terrible as you proclaim. And OU and OSU would not be in the PAC14 without Texas regardless of how good their academics might be.

here are ARWU rankings for the bottom B10 schools

national/international
Indiana 47/85
MSU 50/92
Iowa 53/101
nebraska 86/201
oklahoma 109/301

yeah i don't think that i am overstating the academic issue IMO.

if OU had texas level academics they would without a doubt be in the pac14.

UT is so attractive because they are really strong in markets/athletics/academics. OU is strong in just 2 of those categories and if they improved the third they would have enough appeal to make any conference take a chance on them, especially the pac12 in that scenario.
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(06-21-2014 09:16 AM)john01992 Wrote:  here are ARWU rankings for the bottom B10 schools

national/international
Indiana 47/85
MSU 50/92
Iowa 53/101
nebraska 86/201
oklahoma 109/301

yeah i don't think that i am overstating the academic issue IMO.

if OU had texas level academics they would without a doubt be in the pac14.

UT is so attractive because they are really strong in markets/athletics/academics. OU is strong in just 2 of those categories and if they improved the third they would have enough appeal to make any conference take a chance on them, especially the pac12 in that scenario.

Heck, Houston is 86/201 in ARWU. Houston is Carnegie RU-VH like Oklahoma. Our entering frosh class stats (1140 SAT, 34% Top 10%) are very similar to OU (1155 SAT, 33% Top 10%).

Academically, the Big 10 probably looks at OU about like they look at Houston. Which is to say, they don't.

But OU brings storied rivalries with Texas and Nebraska. Not to mention one of the Top 10 football traditions of excellence in America. If they get into the Big 10, those will be the reasons.
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Don't hate because Uconn keeps winning basketball national championships. What he said was true. That is the biggest difference athletics wise between uconn and notre dame currently.



(06-21-2014 07:45 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
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(06-20-2014 03:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  That might be the party line but if ND told them they wanted full membership tommorow, somehow I dont see them telling them "Nope, sorry, AAU only!"

UConn ain't Notre Dame

You're right, UConn wins more National Championships in this era.


So, they are in, right?
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(06-21-2014 08:35 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  The Sooners would be in if Bevo made it a condition of Texas entering the B1G.
Just said something along the same lines in the BigTen forum ... seems likely the Presidents of Wisconsin and That School Up North vote no on Oklahoma, unless its a package deal that lands Texas.

Texas is a bright shiny object for the academic snobs that could distract from quite a lot of other things they would normally go bonkers over.
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(06-21-2014 09:37 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  Don't hate because Uconn keeps winning basketball national championships. What he said was true. That is the biggest difference athletics wise between uconn and notre dame currently.



(06-21-2014 07:45 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-21-2014 07:38 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 06:12 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 03:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  That might be the party line but if ND told them they wanted full membership tommorow, somehow I dont see them telling them "Nope, sorry, AAU only!"

UConn ain't Notre Dame

You're right, UConn wins more National Championships in this era.


So, they are in, right?



I don't hate UConn at all and I didn't make the original post comparing UConn to ND.
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RE: Delany puts knife into idea of Uconn to the Big Ten
(06-20-2014 10:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 10:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 05:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 04:31 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  So since there has to be exceptions, who are they?

IMO:

Definitely
Notre Dame

Probably
Oklahoma

Maybe
Virginia Tech
Syracuse
UConn

Nope
Cincy
Boston College

hell yes
notre dame

highly likely
syracuse- being a past AAU, historic rival of a number of b10 schools, and having solid academics, solid athletics/markets, and being in the most sensible state to expand into next, makes them the #2 most likely school IMO to break the aau barrier

has a chance but smaller
boston college- essentially a poor mans version of SU in this situation

^^^^^all three of these schools are a case of solid academics but non research orientated

oklahoma- decent football/market, but unlike all the other schools on this list, they have terrible academics to reaffirm why they are not AAU

no chance
UCONN
Virginia tech

there are far too many reasons to list why these schools will never get an invite and AAU is just one of many.

Virginia Tech fits the profile of a Big 10 school much better than UVA does. Large state school, land grant, and high research. If the AAU expands again, VT is very likely to make it in.

my issue with vtech:

1. the b10 has the biggest hard on among any conference for flagship status. 11/13 public schools in the B10 are flagships, most of which completely dominate their state with little to no in-state competition. vtech is a huge contradiction to that philosophy....a philosophy in which their last 3 additions fit in with perfectly.

2. It is hard to say how the whole "military college" aspect plays into things. it is definitely not a positive, the only question is wether or not it is a negative.

3. vtech doesn't have the best geographical location within its state. not in the most accessible place within the state nor located near the major population centers.

Virginia Tech is a football first school though. It would be like the B1G addition of Nebraska to the lineup.

The geographical location arguement doesn't hold much wait with VT because nobody has a good geographical location that plays football. Even ODU is in a second tier population center. The first tier population center is Northern Virginia.

There has long been the dream of having a power football conference in the Northeast. The B1G could make it happen if it continues to pull in land grant schools.
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(06-21-2014 09:40 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-21-2014 08:35 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  The Sooners would be in if Bevo made it a condition of Texas entering the B1G.
Just said something along the same lines in the BigTen forum ... seems likely the Presidents of Wisconsin and That School Up North vote no on Oklahoma, unless its a package deal that lands Texas.

Texas is a bright shiny object for the academic snobs that could distract from quite a lot of other things they would normally go bonkers over.

For carriage rights adding any state would bring itself plus any adjacent state for third tier rights.

Nebraska brought a few of adjacent states into the B1G.

1) Nebraska
2) Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming

Oklahoma would have a good regional impact for the B1G.

1) Oklahoma
2) New Mexico, Texas and Arkansas

How about Virginia Tech?

1) Virginia
2) Tennessee, North Carolina

Georgia Tech?

1) Georgia
2) Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama

It sounds then the Georgia Tech should be the one the B1G is going after and to justify their inclusion another southern football school like Virginia Tech should be added as a rival.

Take a bite out of SEC football recruiting. The B1G does not fear B12 football power since that league may not hold together beyond the current football TV deal. It also lets the PAC have another crack at the Texoma schools.
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(06-21-2014 10:05 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 10:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 10:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 05:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 04:31 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  So since there has to be exceptions, who are they?

IMO:

Definitely
Notre Dame

Probably
Oklahoma

Maybe
Virginia Tech
Syracuse
UConn

Nope
Cincy
Boston College

hell yes
notre dame

highly likely
syracuse- being a past AAU, historic rival of a number of b10 schools, and having solid academics, solid athletics/markets, and being in the most sensible state to expand into next, makes them the #2 most likely school IMO to break the aau barrier

has a chance but smaller
boston college- essentially a poor mans version of SU in this situation

^^^^^all three of these schools are a case of solid academics but non research orientated

oklahoma- decent football/market, but unlike all the other schools on this list, they have terrible academics to reaffirm why they are not AAU

no chance
UCONN
Virginia tech

there are far too many reasons to list why these schools will never get an invite and AAU is just one of many.

Virginia Tech fits the profile of a Big 10 school much better than UVA does. Large state school, land grant, and high research. If the AAU expands again, VT is very likely to make it in.

my issue with vtech:

1. the b10 has the biggest hard on among any conference for flagship status. 11/13 public schools in the B10 are flagships, most of which completely dominate their state with little to no in-state competition. vtech is a huge contradiction to that philosophy....a philosophy in which their last 3 additions fit in with perfectly.

2. It is hard to say how the whole "military college" aspect plays into things. it is definitely not a positive, the only question is wether or not it is a negative.

3. vtech doesn't have the best geographical location within its state. not in the most accessible place within the state nor located near the major population centers.

Virginia Tech is a football first school though. It would be like the B1G addition of Nebraska to the lineup.

The geographical location arguement doesn't hold much wait with VT because nobody has a good geographical location that plays football. Even ODU is in a second tier population center. The first tier population center is Northern Virginia.

There has long been the dream of having a power football conference in the Northeast. The B1G could make it happen if it continues to pull in land grant schools.

i think you need to put a fork in your homerism bro.
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(06-20-2014 08:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
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(06-20-2014 05:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Any of those ACC schools, especially any of the other founding members, who tries to follow UMD to the Big Ten is probably going to lose a lot of booster money and season ticket holders.

Delany's full of ****, too. "We're not looking into expansion." Except that they were. They still are. And +million to the one who said they'd open their doors for Notre Dame. That AAU bit is so full of it, too. Two Big Ten schools were on Nebraska's expulsion/review panel who had no problems giving them the boot. MSU wasn't a member of the AAU when it joined the Big Ten, either.

Certainly you are not suggesting that the commissioner of the Big Ten Conference would commit perjury?

Lying under oath in a court of law?

No way!!! :)

He isn't lying. So far, no school has been admitted that hasn't been a member of the AAU upon acceptance into the Big Ten. No institution or business is held to maintaining any such pillars of their existence. They can change that "mandatory" requirement at any time they wish. So it is easy for Delany to make such a statement in order to deflect any unwanted attention that might be rising but that statement doesn't hold the Big Ten now to only taking a school if it is an AAU member should they decide in the future that they wish to do otherwise.

Nice try though Mr. Lawyer. Your Crusade against the Big Ten rambles on.

Michigan State wasn't. AAU membership followed the Big Ten one something like 14-15 years later.

As to Terry's point, what constitutes a lie? Where it comes to the Big Ten and their language about exploring expansion and membership, it's semantics. It's such a petty way to spin their doings. When the guy says "we're not actively looking for membership," but schools like Maryland are talking to someone, while Rutgers seems to be sitting on a pair of aces...are you serious? These decisions take time. They're cultivated on both sides in meetings, committees, projects, and studies. That isn't done "on the fly." Delany's language is like an albino dalmatian...there's a lot of missing spots.
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OU and OkState were not going to the PAC 12 without Texas unless Texas went independent or Texas went to a conference that would not let in OU and OkState

and the PAC 12 never voted on OU and OkState they voted to table discussions on expansion after OU let them know that Texas was staying in the Big 12 and OU and OkState were no longer interested in joining the PAC 12

and every school in the Big 10 and every school soon to be in the Big 10 is a "flagship" university except for Northwestern that is private
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Big 10 would never turn down ND but i could also see Oklahoma or Florida State. I think the big 10 could get really big, 24-40 school's and some wouldn't be aau members.
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(06-21-2014 11:02 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Big 10 would never turn down ND but i could also see Oklahoma or Florida State. I think the big 10 could get really big, 24-40 school's and some wouldn't be aau members.

I'm wondering if they could push on to 18 members to try to form that true major East Coast Conference.

Georgia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke

B1G East: Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech

B12 steps in and takes Florida St, Clemson

ACC rebuilds with UCF, UConn, Cincinnati and East Carolina

I think 18 is good enough for the B1G to establish them as the premier conference in the East.
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(06-21-2014 09:16 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-21-2014 09:02 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 08:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 07:44 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 05:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  hell yes
notre dame

highly likely
syracuse- being a past AAU, historic rival of a number of b10 schools, and having solid academics, solid athletics/markets, and being in the most sensible state to expand into next, makes them the #2 most likely school IMO to break the aau barrier

has a chance but smaller
boston college- essentially a poor mans version of SU in this situation

^^^^^all three of these schools are a case of solid academics but non research orientated

oklahoma- decent football/market, but unlike all the other schools on this list, they have terrible academics to reaffirm why they are not AAU

no chance
UCONN
Virginia tech

there are far too many reasons to list why these schools will never get an invite and AAU is just one of many.

Actually President David Boren is pushing Oklahoma academics hard to attain AAU status. OU now has more merit scholars than any public University.

Also, the State of Oklahoma maybe a only a decent TV market, but OU is a National Brand that likely turns on more TV sets than most schools, including Big Ten teams and schools with much larger TV markets.

Having said that, I do not think they are a Big10 candidate.

all I am saying is that the other schools have decent academics + no AAU

OU has bad academics + no AAU which makes it a much bigger sticking point than it would be for other schools.

if OU had academics comparable to texas, they would be in the pac14 with OSU. OU simply does not have the academic/football combo to make conferences jump at any opportunity to get them despite having some damn good football.

You are going overboard on OU academics. They are not great, but they are not terrible as you proclaim. And OU and OSU would not be in the PAC14 without Texas regardless of how good their academics might be.

here are ARWU rankings for the bottom B10 schools

national/international
Indiana 47/85
MSU 50/92
Iowa 53/101
nebraska 86/201
oklahoma 109/301

yeah i don't think that i am overstating the academic issue IMO.

if OU had texas level academics they would without a doubt be in the pac14.

UT is so attractive because they are really strong in markets/athletics/academics. OU is strong in just 2 of those categories and if they improved the third they would have enough appeal to make any conference take a chance on them, especially the pac12 in that scenario.

I think you are wrong. I do not believe the PAC would expand with OU without Texas, even if they had super academics.

Boren has OU on the fast track academically. Compared to all schools in the nation they are not that bad. They have more merit scholars than any other public institution, which is not to shabby.
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RE: Delany puts knife into idea of Uconn to the Big Ten
(06-21-2014 10:49 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 08:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 06:12 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 05:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Any of those ACC schools, especially any of the other founding members, who tries to follow UMD to the Big Ten is probably going to lose a lot of booster money and season ticket holders.

Delany's full of ****, too. "We're not looking into expansion." Except that they were. They still are. And +million to the one who said they'd open their doors for Notre Dame. That AAU bit is so full of it, too. Two Big Ten schools were on Nebraska's expulsion/review panel who had no problems giving them the boot. MSU wasn't a member of the AAU when it joined the Big Ten, either.

Certainly you are not suggesting that the commissioner of the Big Ten Conference would commit perjury?

Lying under oath in a court of law?

No way!!! :)

He isn't lying. So far, no school has been admitted that hasn't been a member of the AAU upon acceptance into the Big Ten. No institution or business is held to maintaining any such pillars of their existence. They can change that "mandatory" requirement at any time they wish. So it is easy for Delany to make such a statement in order to deflect any unwanted attention that might be rising but that statement doesn't hold the Big Ten now to only taking a school if it is an AAU member should they decide in the future that they wish to do otherwise.

Nice try though Mr. Lawyer. Your Crusade against the Big Ten rambles on.

Michigan State wasn't. AAU membership followed the Big Ten one something like 14-15 years later.

As to Terry's point, what constitutes a lie? Where it comes to the Big Ten and their language about exploring expansion and membership, it's semantics. It's such a petty way to spin their doings. When the guy says "we're not actively looking for membership," but schools like Maryland are talking to someone, while Rutgers seems to be sitting on a pair of aces...are you serious? These decisions take time. They're cultivated on both sides in meetings, committees, projects, and studies. That isn't done "on the fly." Delany's language is like an albino dalmatian...there's a lot of missing spots.

i think you are half right half wrong.

i do believe that these universities/conferences are always talking to each other, always having contingencies in place to know what expansion option would be the best. it wouldn't surprise me if 75% of the P5 has been in some form of discussion about maybe joining a different conference in the past few decades"

the proper analogy here is suicide. something that has a huge amount of buildup, thought about quite often, but when it comes time to actually pull the trigger (no pun intended) it is a quick spur of the moment decision.
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RE: Delany puts knife into idea of Uconn to the Big Ten
(06-21-2014 11:30 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(06-21-2014 09:16 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-21-2014 09:02 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 08:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 07:44 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Actually President David Boren is pushing Oklahoma academics hard to attain AAU status. OU now has more merit scholars than any public University.

Also, the State of Oklahoma maybe a only a decent TV market, but OU is a National Brand that likely turns on more TV sets than most schools, including Big Ten teams and schools with much larger TV markets.

Having said that, I do not think they are a Big10 candidate.

all I am saying is that the other schools have decent academics + no AAU

OU has bad academics + no AAU which makes it a much bigger sticking point than it would be for other schools.

if OU had academics comparable to texas, they would be in the pac14 with OSU. OU simply does not have the academic/football combo to make conferences jump at any opportunity to get them despite having some damn good football.

You are going overboard on OU academics. They are not great, but they are not terrible as you proclaim. And OU and OSU would not be in the PAC14 without Texas regardless of how good their academics might be.

here are ARWU rankings for the bottom B10 schools

national/international
Indiana 47/85
MSU 50/92
Iowa 53/101
nebraska 86/201
oklahoma 109/301

yeah i don't think that i am overstating the academic issue IMO.

if OU had texas level academics they would without a doubt be in the pac14.

UT is so attractive because they are really strong in markets/athletics/academics. OU is strong in just 2 of those categories and if they improved the third they would have enough appeal to make any conference take a chance on them, especially the pac12 in that scenario.

I think you are wrong. I do not believe the PAC would expand with OU without Texas, even if they had super academics.

Boren has OU on the fast track academically. Compared to all schools in the nation they are not that bad. They have more merit scholars than any other public institution, which is not to shabby.

compared to all schools in the nation no one in the SEC is bad academically.

you can say all you want that academics don't matter, but there is no way, simply no way that the pac passes on OU if they had texas level academics. they would be too good of a pickup in this scenario to say otherwise.
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