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RE: NBC Sports On New Transfer Rule Concerns
(06-20-2014 11:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(06-20-2014 09:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  One thing likely to change with new rules and regulations down the pipeline is the transfer rules. As suggested by the Associated Press, coaches may lose the power to limit where players transferring out will or will not be able to move. Coaches listing any number of schools a player may not transfer to has long been a problem. Afterall, if this is all about giving student-athletes the best chance to succeed academically and get the most out of college, why would a football coach be able to tell a kid he cannot go to State U. just because they are a conference rival or they happen to appear on the upcoming football schedule two years down the road? The good news is that power appears to be fading with new rules. The flip side of that though is now there may be opportunities for some of the top players in the American Athletic Conference, Conference USA, the MAC, Mountain West Conference and Sun Belt Conference may now have an opportunity to transfer to a power conference program, where the benefits to players will be significantly greater.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...nferences/

Well there are really two sides - P5 players, who aren't seeing the PT they wanted, will be able to freely transfer to G5 programs. Some of those guys just might be stars given a real opportunity.

Isn't that a net talent drain from the G5? The P5 is losing guys that didn't pan out and can't start but the G5 is losing guys that DID pan out and CAN start at the P5 level. I'd rather see this handled with 1 year or 4 year scholarships. No free transfer with 4yr scholies. Free transfer when under one year scholies. Simple--gives the athletes something in exchange for losing easy transfer rules.

As already mentioned in a post above --- it depends on the number of transfers going each way. And it depends on how your typical transfer plays including PT. I just don't think this transfer rule *has* to be as bad as some want to make it ---
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RE: NBC Sports On New Transfer Rule Concerns
(06-20-2014 01:11 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
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(06-20-2014 09:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  One thing likely to change with new rules and regulations down the pipeline is the transfer rules. As suggested by the Associated Press, coaches may lose the power to limit where players transferring out will or will not be able to move. Coaches listing any number of schools a player may not transfer to has long been a problem. Afterall, if this is all about giving student-athletes the best chance to succeed academically and get the most out of college, why would a football coach be able to tell a kid he cannot go to State U. just because they are a conference rival or they happen to appear on the upcoming football schedule two years down the road? The good news is that power appears to be fading with new rules. The flip side of that though is now there may be opportunities for some of the top players in the American Athletic Conference, Conference USA, the MAC, Mountain West Conference and Sun Belt Conference may now have an opportunity to transfer to a power conference program, where the benefits to players will be significantly greater.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...nferences/

Well there are really two sides - P5 players, who aren't seeing the PT they wanted, will be able to freely transfer to G5 programs. Some of those guys just might be stars given a real opportunity.

Exactly.....I see this as great thing for G5 schools. How many kids have ever left a G5 type school and transfered up to a P5 type school. Almost none. How many players have left a P5 type school and transferred down to a G5 type school.....a lot.

This rule will just expand the situation and greatly benefit G5 schools IMO.

PS--Kellen Moore would never have left Boise IMO. Bad example by Benson, plus using anything Benson says as a resourece is not a good choice.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

There have been plenty of players leave a G5 school to do to a P5 school. It has not been done on a large scale because the players had to sit out a year, thus delaying their timeliness of entering the NFL.

The players leaving a P5 school to go to a G5 school for playing opportunities haven't proven themselves yet. They can afford to wait that extra year to get familiar with their new surroundings, system, coaches, teammates, etc.
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RE: NBC Sports On New Transfer Rule Concerns
(06-20-2014 10:30 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  It has nithing to do with players or their education, tell me academically speaking which is a better school, Tulane or LSU, Rice or TTU, SMU or Texas, Cinny or NC State?

Definitely not Cinny. Horrible.
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RE: NBC Sports On New Transfer Rule Concerns
(06-20-2014 10:30 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  It has nithing to do with players or their education, tell me academically speaking which is a better school, Cinny or NC State?

Absolutely NC State.
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RE: NBC Sports On New Transfer Rule Concerns
This can also be a nightmare scenario where no one is looking out for the "student-athlete" :

Alabama signs 2 5* QB's . The second kid is actually over rated and plays like a 2* or whatever. He expects to start for Alabama as a redshirt freshman but Alabama passes him over and he gets frustrated. Another P5 school a bit lower in the feeding chain like Minnesota says "sure 5 * QB you can transfer to us" He transfers in the off season and competes for the starting job his sophomore season. Minnesota says "gosh he was ranked a 5 star but doesn't play like one" he doesn't win the starting job. He gets frustrated. So miss then says sure you can transfer to us 5* qb. This is his junior year....
This kids transfers every year and does not get a true college experience or a decent college education because of constant transfers...
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RE: NBC Sports On New Transfer Rule Concerns
(06-20-2014 05:00 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(06-20-2014 10:30 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  It has nithing to do with players or their education, tell me academically speaking which is a better school, Cinny or NC State?

Absolutely NC State.

For engineering and the vet sure, the rest, come down and see some of their grads first, that might change your mind.
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RE: NBC Sports On New Transfer Rule Concerns
(06-20-2014 03:48 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
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(06-20-2014 10:08 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  [quote='Attackcoog' pid='10848344' dateline='1403276284']
One thing likely to change with new rules and regulations down the pipeline is the transfer rules. As suggested by the Associated Press, coaches may lose the power to limit where players transferring out will or will not be able to move. Coaches listing any number of schools a player may not transfer to has long been a problem. Afterall, if this is all about giving student-athletes the best chance to succeed academically and get the most out of college, why would a football coach be able to tell a kid he cannot go to State U. just because they are a conference rival or they happen to appear on the upcoming football schedule two years down the road? The good news is that power appears to be fading with new rules. The flip side of that though is now there may be opportunities for some of the top players in the American Athletic Conference, Conference USA, the MAC, Mountain West Conference and Sun Belt Conference may now have an opportunity to transfer to a power conference program, where the benefits to players will be significantly greater.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...nferences/

Well there are really two sides - P5 players, who aren't seeing the PT they wanted, will be able to freely transfer to G5 programs. Some of those guys just might be stars given a real opportunity.

Exactly.....I see this as great thing for G5 schools. How many kids have ever left a G5 type school and transfered up to a P5 type school. Almost none. How many players have left a P5 type school and transferred down to a G5 type school.....a lot.

This rule will just expand the situation and greatly benefit G5 schools IMO.

PS--Kellen Moore would never have left Boise IMO. Bad example by Benson, plus using anything Benson says as a resourece is not a good choice.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

There have been plenty of players leave a G5 school to do to a P5 school. It has not been done on a large scale because the players had to sit out a year, thus delaying their timeliness of entering the NFL.
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Reply----What do you mean by plenty? You admit it has not been done on a large scale. But IMO it is not because of delaying their entering ther NFL.
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The players leaving a P5 school to go to a G5 school for playing opportunities haven't proven themselves yet. They can afford to wait that extra year to get familiar with their new surroundings, system, coaches, teammates, etc.

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Reply------those players are not even thinking NFL..they just want to play and this will give them that opportunity without losing a year on the bench.

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RE: NBC Sports On New Transfer Rule Concerns
(06-20-2014 08:13 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  [quote='CliftonAve' pid='10849675' dateline='1403297287']
You are comparing apples to oranges.

There have been plenty of players leave a G5 school to do to a P5 school. It has not been done on a large scale because the players had to sit out a year, thus delaying their timeliness of entering the NFL.
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Reply----What do you mean by plenty? You admit it has not been done on a large scale. But IMO it is not because of delaying their entering ther NFL.
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The players leaving a P5 school to go to a G5 school for playing opportunities haven't proven themselves yet. They can afford to wait that extra year to get familiar with their new surroundings, system, coaches, teammates, etc.

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Reply------those players are not even thinking NFL..they just want to play and this will give them that opportunity without losing a year on the bench.

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I agree with Clifton. What he is saying is, typically the reason a player would transfer "up" is that he has shown he is good enough to play at a high level, and wants to prove it against better competition, so to speak. This would be someone who has made a name for himself, likely, and is probably already on the radar of the NFL or whatnot. Those types, have little incentive to voluntarily leave and sit out a year. Thus you see few who do so. Many who transfer "down" so to speak, do so because of lack of PT or opportunity. Thus as he said, they are not "Delaying" any pro opportunity, because right now they really don't have one.

Now to your point, you are right, there really is no "proof" that this would happen. It is just conjecture. But you do see it a lot more in college basketball, where potential pro careers are longer anyway (thus the loss of a year is less of a big deal) and where smaller school players are handicapped a lot more in the NBA draft than in the NFL draft. You see a lot more G5 to P5 transfers in basketball for just this reason. So I can understand with and agree with his prediction.

Now here is my thought. I think you all are all looking at the wrong area for talent drain. I don't think it is the starters you have to worry about leaving: it is the backups. Why? Because backups can and will get drafted at major programs. Smaller ones: not so much. If you are backing up at a G5 school, or even a less successful P5 school, if you are not starting and given enough shots to make an impact, it can be easy to be persuaded to transfer to a school like USC, Alabama, Florida, or Ohio State, where they can show that their backup players get drafted and camp invites, over starters from other schools. Or for that matter, you can sell a player on the fact that if you aren't going to start anyway, you can "not start" here and get a ring. A move a player would not make if they have to sit out, but may consider if they can move and play right away.

to me, that is the biggest concern.
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