(06-20-2014 03:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 03:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 02:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 01:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 01:34 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The easy fix is-

10 Conference Champs, rank 1-10 based on non conference record*, bottom 4 play a play-in game (7v10, 8v9), 2 winners join top 6 conference champs in Quarterfinals.

Done. All settled on the field. No polls, no computers, no exclusions based on P5/G5 garbage.



*no team can play more than 5 of 8 OOC games at home over a 2 year period.

What about independents?

they need to join a conference if they want to participate in the playoffs. Its optional.

So, if Notre Dame and BYU choose to remain independent, and one of them goes undefeated, we are back to the possibility of more than one national champion. If undefeated Notre Dame is #1 in the AP poll, and a one or two loss Alabama wins the "playoff", we're back to where we were 20 years ago. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind you. That worked just fine for about 60 years.

That won't be the case, the playoff will overrule any polls.

You mean like in 2003, when USC was the AP national champion and LSU the BCS champion?

(06-20-2014 03:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 03:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 02:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 01:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 01:34 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The easy fix is-

10 Conference Champs, rank 1-10 based on non conference record*, bottom 4 play a play-in game (7v10, 8v9), 2 winners join top 6 conference champs in Quarterfinals.

Done. All settled on the field. No polls, no computers, no exclusions based on P5/G5 garbage.



*no team can play more than 5 of 8 OOC games at home over a 2 year period.

What about independents?

they need to join a conference if they want to participate in the playoffs. Its optional.

So, if Notre Dame and BYU choose to remain independent, and one of them goes undefeated, we are back to the possibility of more than one national champion. If undefeated Notre Dame is #1 in the AP poll, and a one or two loss Alabama wins the "playoff", we're back to where we were 20 years ago. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind you. That worked just fine for about 60 years.

That won't be the case, the playoff will overrule any polls.

exactly, creating a direct pathway to the championship game means national champions are no longer "selected" by off the field entities like sports media employees and secretive proprietary computer algorithms. But if a group of sports writers want to get together and select a team that didn't participate in 1. a conference championship game, and 2. Three or four playoff games, then they can do that. But I wouldn't expect anyone to acknowledge their selection with any seriousness.


Side note- If college football transitioned to the format I suggested above I think it could have an impact on the way polls were managed. For instance, if every conference went to divisions (which I would also recommend) then what you have during conference play is 20 separate division races playing out. Knowing that the National Champion will ultimately be one of those 20 Division winners I could see top 25 polling modified to rank the 20 Division leaders plus the "next best 5".

This is where I fundamentally disagree with the current direction of college football- the powers that be continue to look for ways to consolidate the focus on fewer and fewer teams, I think the approach should include ways for more and more teams to be followed. If you know the playoffs are going to be made up of the 20 division winners then you might be more inclined to look in on other conferences throughout the season to gauge competition. More cross viewing is good for everybody.

I would tweak it thusly-

Top EIGHT conference champions invited to play as ranked by BCS or selection cmte, however -

Next FOUR best non-con champions.

Top 4 Conference Champions get a BYE

Teams are seeded/ranked, exception being two teams from same conf must be on opposite sides of bracket

Only 2 teams per conference allowed, sorry SEC

1st Round games (12 vs 5, 11 vs 6, etc) hosted by the conf champion, no matter if they are lower or higher ranked team - so, if the MAC champ is the 12 seed, and Alabama is a non-con champ, MAC hosts - lol

(06-20-2014 07:51 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I would tweak it thusly-

Top EIGHT conference champions invited to play as ranked by BCS or selection cmte, however -

Next FOUR best non-con champions.

Top 4 Conference Champions get a BYE

Teams are seeded/ranked, exception being two teams from same conf must be on opposite sides of bracket

Only 2 teams per conference allowed, sorry SEC

1st Round games (12 vs 5, 11 vs 6, etc) hosted by the conf champion, no matter if they are lower or higher ranked team - so, if the MAC champ is the 12 seed, and Alabama is a non-con champ, MAC hosts - lol

my challenge to that proposal is that you are giving people off the field the power to override the results on the field. Why should a team that won their division and won their conference not get a chance to move on just because a small group of people have an opinion that some other team (i.e. more profitable team) should get a chance instead, even though that team failed to win their own conference, and maybe even failed to win their own division? it needs to be decided on the field, not off. A team that plays every team in their division and doesn't win their division doesn't deserve a chance to play for a national championship (I'm looking at you Alabama 2012).

Either:
8 teams - 5 P5 champs, 1 highest rated G5 champ, 2 add'l at-large
or
12 teams - 10 conference champs, 2 at-large

Every game before finals played at higher seed stadium.

Simple, easy, fair. Anything else is too convuluted or arbitrary.

(06-20-2014 03:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 03:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 03:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 02:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 01:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  What about independents?

they need to join a conference if they want to participate in the playoffs. Its optional.

So, if Notre Dame and BYU choose to remain independent, and one of them goes undefeated, we are back to the possibility of more than one national champion. If undefeated Notre Dame is #1 in the AP poll, and a one or two loss Alabama wins the "playoff", we're back to where we were 20 years ago. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind you. That worked just fine for about 60 years.

That won't be the case, the playoff will overrule any polls.

You mean like in 2003, when USC was the AP national champion and LSU the BCS champion?

If there was a 4 team playoff back then there would be no split champion.