Interesting breakdown of each pick position and performance levels. Supports my belief that everything after the lottery is essentially worthless. Unless you get lucky.

http://www.draftexpress.com/NBA-draft-pick-stats/1/PER

(06-18-2014 09:53 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Interesting breakdown of each pick position and performance levels. Supports my belief that everything after the lottery is essentially worthless. Unless you get lucky.

http://www.draftexpress.com/NBA-draft-pick-stats/1/PER

We have 4 current Grizzlies that were the top 5 in their draft positions using the PER. Zbo was the highest #19. Koufus was the highest #23. Ed Davis and Tony Allen are there as well.

Some current and former Grizzlies.
The bad ones:
No. 2 pick lowest PER Hasheem Thabeet
No. 2 pick 5th lowest PER Darko Milicic
No. 12 pick 3rd lowest PER Xavier Henry
No. 16 pick 2nd lowest PER Troy Bell
No. 26 pick 4th lowest PER Quincy Poindexter

The Good ones:
No. 3 pick highest PER Pau Gasol
No. 13 pick 3rd highest PER Ed Davis
No. 19 pick highest PER Zach Randolph
No. 23 pick highest PER Kosta Koufos
No. 24 pick 4th highest PER Kyle Lowry
No. 25 pick 4th highest PER Tony Allen

I wouldn't really call anything after the lottery worthless. Here are some notable picks throughout the last few years:

21st Pick:
2012 - Jared Sullinger
2009 - Darren Collison
2008 - Ryan Anderson
2006 - Rajon Rondo
2005 - Nate Robinson
2003 - Boris Diaw

22nd Pick:
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2005 - Jarrett Jack

23rd Pick:
2008 - Kosta Koufos
2007 - Wilson Chandler
2002 - Tayshaun Prince

24th Pick
2013 - Tim Hardaway Jr
2011 - Reggie Jackson
2009 - Byron Mullins
2008 - Serge Ibaka
2006 - Kyle Lowry

Our staff is not expecting a superstar with this. They expect to get a starting caliber player or 6th man type. They can get that.

(06-19-2014 12:58 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I wouldn't really call anything after the lottery worthless. Here are some notable picks throughout the last few years:

21st Pick:
2012 - Jared Sullinger
2009 - Darren Collison
2008 - Ryan Anderson
2006 - Rajon Rondo
2005 - Nate Robinson
2003 - Boris Diaw

22nd Pick:
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2005 - Jarrett Jack

23rd Pick:
2008 - Kosta Koufos
2007 - Wilson Chandler
2002 - Tayshaun Prince

24th Pick
2013 - Tim Hardaway Jr
2011 - Reggie Jackson
2009 - Byron Mullins
2008 - Serge Ibaka
2006 - Kyle Lowry

Our staff is not expecting a superstar with this. They expect to get a starting caliber player or 6th man type. They can get that.

Yeah, you can get good players...as long as you aren't the Grizzlies. Last player that they got through the draft that is still playing for them is Mike Conley excluding Jamaal Franklin.

Draft history:
2006 1 24 Kyle Lowry USA PG Villanova
2007 1 4 Mike Conley, Jr. USA PG Ohio State
2008 1 5 Kevin Love USA C UCLA (traded to Minnesota)
2008 1 28 Donte Greene USA C Syracuse (from L.A. Lakers,[k] traded to Houston)
2009 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet Tanzania C Connecticut
2009 1 27 DeMarre Carroll USA PF Missouri
2009 2 36 Sam Young USA SF Pittsburgh
2010 1 12 Xavier Henry USA SG Kansas
2010 1 25 Dominique Jones USA SG South Florida (from Denver, traded to Dallas)
2010 1 28 Greivis Vasquez Venezuela PG/SG Maryland
2011 2 49 Josh Selby USA PG/SG Kansas
2012 1 25 Tony Wroten USA PG Washington
2013 2 41 Jamaal Franklin USA SG San Diego State
2013 2 60 Janis Timma Latvia SF BK Ventspils

(06-19-2014 01:08 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:58 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I wouldn't really call anything after the lottery worthless. Here are some notable picks throughout the last few years:

21st Pick:
2012 - Jared Sullinger
2009 - Darren Collison
2008 - Ryan Anderson
2006 - Rajon Rondo
2005 - Nate Robinson
2003 - Boris Diaw

22nd Pick:
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2005 - Jarrett Jack

23rd Pick:
2008 - Kosta Koufos
2007 - Wilson Chandler
2002 - Tayshaun Prince

24th Pick
2013 - Tim Hardaway Jr
2011 - Reggie Jackson
2009 - Byron Mullins
2008 - Serge Ibaka
2006 - Kyle Lowry

Our staff is not expecting a superstar with this. They expect to get a starting caliber player or 6th man type. They can get that.

Yeah, you can get good players...as long as you aren't the Grizzlies. Last player that they got through the draft that is still playing for them is Mike Conley excluding Jamaal Franklin.

Draft history:
2006 1 24 Kyle Lowry USA PG Villanova
2007 1 4 Mike Conley, Jr. USA PG Ohio State
2008 1 5 Kevin Love USA C UCLA (traded to Minnesota)
2008 1 28 Donte Greene USA C Syracuse (from L.A. Lakers,[k] traded to Houston)
2009 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet Tanzania C Connecticut
2009 1 27 DeMarre Carroll USA PF Missouri
2009 2 36 Sam Young USA SF Pittsburgh
2010 1 12 Xavier Henry USA SG Kansas
2010 1 25 Dominique Jones USA SG South Florida (from Denver, traded to Dallas)
2010 1 28 Greivis Vasquez Venezuela PG/SG Maryland
2011 2 49 Josh Selby USA PG/SG Kansas
2012 1 25 Tony Wroten USA PG Washington
2013 2 41 Jamaal Franklin USA SG San Diego State
2013 2 60 Janis Timma Latvia SF BK Ventspils

Someone help me remember why the Grizz traded Kevin Love.

(06-20-2014 08:57 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 01:08 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:58 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I wouldn't really call anything after the lottery worthless. Here are some notable picks throughout the last few years:

21st Pick:
2012 - Jared Sullinger
2009 - Darren Collison
2008 - Ryan Anderson
2006 - Rajon Rondo
2005 - Nate Robinson
2003 - Boris Diaw

22nd Pick:
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2005 - Jarrett Jack

23rd Pick:
2008 - Kosta Koufos
2007 - Wilson Chandler
2002 - Tayshaun Prince

24th Pick
2013 - Tim Hardaway Jr
2011 - Reggie Jackson
2009 - Byron Mullins
2008 - Serge Ibaka
2006 - Kyle Lowry

Our staff is not expecting a superstar with this. They expect to get a starting caliber player or 6th man type. They can get that.

Yeah, you can get good players...as long as you aren't the Grizzlies. Last player that they got through the draft that is still playing for them is Mike Conley excluding Jamaal Franklin.

Draft history:
2006 1 24 Kyle Lowry USA PG Villanova
2007 1 4 Mike Conley, Jr. USA PG Ohio State
2008 1 5 Kevin Love USA C UCLA (traded to Minnesota)
2008 1 28 Donte Greene USA C Syracuse (from L.A. Lakers,[k] traded to Houston)
2009 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet Tanzania C Connecticut
2009 1 27 DeMarre Carroll USA PF Missouri
2009 2 36 Sam Young USA SF Pittsburgh
2010 1 12 Xavier Henry USA SG Kansas
2010 1 25 Dominique Jones USA SG South Florida (from Denver, traded to Dallas)
2010 1 28 Greivis Vasquez Venezuela PG/SG Maryland
2011 2 49 Josh Selby USA PG/SG Kansas
2012 1 25 Tony Wroten USA PG Washington
2013 2 41 Jamaal Franklin USA SG San Diego State
2013 2 60 Janis Timma Latvia SF BK Ventspils

Someone help me remember why the Grizz traded Kevin Love.

Got OJ Mayo in the deal. It looked like a good trade at the time but it looks worse every year. At least we don't have to worry about Love opting out of his contract here.

(06-20-2014 08:57 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 01:08 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:58 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I wouldn't really call anything after the lottery worthless. Here are some notable picks throughout the last few years:

21st Pick:
2012 - Jared Sullinger
2009 - Darren Collison
2008 - Ryan Anderson
2006 - Rajon Rondo
2005 - Nate Robinson
2003 - Boris Diaw

22nd Pick:
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2005 - Jarrett Jack

23rd Pick:
2008 - Kosta Koufos
2007 - Wilson Chandler
2002 - Tayshaun Prince

24th Pick
2013 - Tim Hardaway Jr
2011 - Reggie Jackson
2009 - Byron Mullins
2008 - Serge Ibaka
2006 - Kyle Lowry

Our staff is not expecting a superstar with this. They expect to get a starting caliber player or 6th man type. They can get that.

Yeah, you can get good players...as long as you aren't the Grizzlies. Last player that they got through the draft that is still playing for them is Mike Conley excluding Jamaal Franklin.

Draft history:
2006 1 24 Kyle Lowry USA PG Villanova
2007 1 4 Mike Conley, Jr. USA PG Ohio State
2008 1 5 Kevin Love USA C UCLA (traded to Minnesota)
2008 1 28 Donte Greene USA C Syracuse (from L.A. Lakers,[k] traded to Houston)
2009 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet Tanzania C Connecticut
2009 1 27 DeMarre Carroll USA PF Missouri
2009 2 36 Sam Young USA SF Pittsburgh
2010 1 12 Xavier Henry USA SG Kansas
2010 1 25 Dominique Jones USA SG South Florida (from Denver, traded to Dallas)
2010 1 28 Greivis Vasquez Venezuela PG/SG Maryland
2011 2 49 Josh Selby USA PG/SG Kansas
2012 1 25 Tony Wroten USA PG Washington
2013 2 41 Jamaal Franklin USA SG San Diego State
2013 2 60 Janis Timma Latvia SF BK Ventspils

Someone help me remember why the Grizz traded Kevin Love.

Heisley wanted a superstar and OJ Mayo was expected to be on the level of Derrick Rose.

If the Grizz kept Love (and Wallace wanted to do that) we probably never get Z-Bo.

I have never been as happy on a draft night as I was when we got OJ.

We took a chance and lost since OJ Mayo was good but not a superstar. Still better than wasting a pick on Hasheem Thabeet when the alternative would have been James Hardin, Tyreke Evans, or Stephan Curry.

(06-20-2014 09:05 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 08:57 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 01:08 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:58 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I wouldn't really call anything after the lottery worthless. Here are some notable picks throughout the last few years:

21st Pick:
2012 - Jared Sullinger
2009 - Darren Collison
2008 - Ryan Anderson
2006 - Rajon Rondo
2005 - Nate Robinson
2003 - Boris Diaw

22nd Pick:
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2005 - Jarrett Jack

23rd Pick:
2008 - Kosta Koufos
2007 - Wilson Chandler
2002 - Tayshaun Prince

24th Pick
2013 - Tim Hardaway Jr
2011 - Reggie Jackson
2009 - Byron Mullins
2008 - Serge Ibaka
2006 - Kyle Lowry

Our staff is not expecting a superstar with this. They expect to get a starting caliber player or 6th man type. They can get that.

Yeah, you can get good players...as long as you aren't the Grizzlies. Last player that they got through the draft that is still playing for them is Mike Conley excluding Jamaal Franklin.

Draft history:
2006 1 24 Kyle Lowry USA PG Villanova
2007 1 4 Mike Conley, Jr. USA PG Ohio State
2008 1 5 Kevin Love USA C UCLA (traded to Minnesota)
2008 1 28 Donte Greene USA C Syracuse (from L.A. Lakers,[k] traded to Houston)
2009 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet Tanzania C Connecticut
2009 1 27 DeMarre Carroll USA PF Missouri
2009 2 36 Sam Young USA SF Pittsburgh
2010 1 12 Xavier Henry USA SG Kansas
2010 1 25 Dominique Jones USA SG South Florida (from Denver, traded to Dallas)
2010 1 28 Greivis Vasquez Venezuela PG/SG Maryland
2011 2 49 Josh Selby USA PG/SG Kansas
2012 1 25 Tony Wroten USA PG Washington
2013 2 41 Jamaal Franklin USA SG San Diego State
2013 2 60 Janis Timma Latvia SF BK Ventspils

Someone help me remember why the Grizz traded Kevin Love.

Heisley wanted a superstar and OJ Mayo was expected to be on the level of Derrick Rose.

If the Grizz kept Love (and Wallace wanted to do that) we probably never get Z-Bo.

I have never been as happy on a draft night as I was when we got OJ.

We took a chance and lost since OJ Mayo was good but not a superstar. Still better than wasting a pick on Hasheem Thabeet when the alternative would have been James Hardin, Tyreke Evans, or Stephan Curry.

We also had Pau at the time and really needed a shooter.

The 2009 draft haunts this franchise still.

(06-20-2014 09:19 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 09:05 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 08:57 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 01:08 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:58 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I wouldn't really call anything after the lottery worthless. Here are some notable picks throughout the last few years:

21st Pick:
2012 - Jared Sullinger
2009 - Darren Collison
2008 - Ryan Anderson
2006 - Rajon Rondo
2005 - Nate Robinson
2003 - Boris Diaw

22nd Pick:
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2005 - Jarrett Jack

23rd Pick:
2008 - Kosta Koufos
2007 - Wilson Chandler
2002 - Tayshaun Prince

24th Pick
2013 - Tim Hardaway Jr
2011 - Reggie Jackson
2009 - Byron Mullins
2008 - Serge Ibaka
2006 - Kyle Lowry

Our staff is not expecting a superstar with this. They expect to get a starting caliber player or 6th man type. They can get that.

Yeah, you can get good players...as long as you aren't the Grizzlies. Last player that they got through the draft that is still playing for them is Mike Conley excluding Jamaal Franklin.

Draft history:
2006 1 24 Kyle Lowry USA PG Villanova
2007 1 4 Mike Conley, Jr. USA PG Ohio State
2008 1 5 Kevin Love USA C UCLA (traded to Minnesota)
2008 1 28 Donte Greene USA C Syracuse (from L.A. Lakers,[k] traded to Houston)
2009 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet Tanzania C Connecticut
2009 1 27 DeMarre Carroll USA PF Missouri
2009 2 36 Sam Young USA SF Pittsburgh
2010 1 12 Xavier Henry USA SG Kansas
2010 1 25 Dominique Jones USA SG South Florida (from Denver, traded to Dallas)
2010 1 28 Greivis Vasquez Venezuela PG/SG Maryland
2011 2 49 Josh Selby USA PG/SG Kansas
2012 1 25 Tony Wroten USA PG Washington
2013 2 41 Jamaal Franklin USA SG San Diego State
2013 2 60 Janis Timma Latvia SF BK Ventspils

Someone help me remember why the Grizz traded Kevin Love.

Heisley wanted a superstar and OJ Mayo was expected to be on the level of Derrick Rose.

If the Grizz kept Love (and Wallace wanted to do that) we probably never get Z-Bo.

I have never been as happy on a draft night as I was when we got OJ.

We took a chance and lost since OJ Mayo was good but not a superstar. Still better than wasting a pick on Hasheem Thabeet when the alternative would have been James Hardin, Tyreke Evans, or Stephan Curry.

We also had Pau at the time and really needed a shooter.

The OJ trade was after the Pau trade and we had Mike Miller until that trade.

We were going for Oj to be the next big thing, not as a shooter.

(06-20-2014 08:57 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 01:08 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:58 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I wouldn't really call anything after the lottery worthless. Here are some notable picks throughout the last few years:

21st Pick:
2012 - Jared Sullinger
2009 - Darren Collison
2008 - Ryan Anderson
2006 - Rajon Rondo
2005 - Nate Robinson
2003 - Boris Diaw

22nd Pick:
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2005 - Jarrett Jack

23rd Pick:
2008 - Kosta Koufos
2007 - Wilson Chandler
2002 - Tayshaun Prince

24th Pick
2013 - Tim Hardaway Jr
2011 - Reggie Jackson
2009 - Byron Mullins
2008 - Serge Ibaka
2006 - Kyle Lowry

Our staff is not expecting a superstar with this. They expect to get a starting caliber player or 6th man type. They can get that.

Yeah, you can get good players...as long as you aren't the Grizzlies. Last player that they got through the draft that is still playing for them is Mike Conley excluding Jamaal Franklin.

Draft history:
2006 1 24 Kyle Lowry USA PG Villanova
2007 1 4 Mike Conley, Jr. USA PG Ohio State
2008 1 5 Kevin Love USA C UCLA (traded to Minnesota)
2008 1 28 Donte Greene USA C Syracuse (from L.A. Lakers,[k] traded to Houston)
2009 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet Tanzania C Connecticut
2009 1 27 DeMarre Carroll USA PF Missouri
2009 2 36 Sam Young USA SF Pittsburgh
2010 1 12 Xavier Henry USA SG Kansas
2010 1 25 Dominique Jones USA SG South Florida (from Denver, traded to Dallas)
2010 1 28 Greivis Vasquez Venezuela PG/SG Maryland
2011 2 49 Josh Selby USA PG/SG Kansas
2012 1 25 Tony Wroten USA PG Washington
2013 2 41 Jamaal Franklin USA SG San Diego State
2013 2 60 Janis Timma Latvia SF BK Ventspils

Someone help me remember why the Grizz traded Kevin Love.

I don't know, but one minute I was alive and the next I was dead. People around these parts still talk about the Love vs Singler matchup games.

http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/...igh_s.html

(06-20-2014 09:05 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 08:57 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 01:08 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:58 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  I wouldn't really call anything after the lottery worthless. Here are some notable picks throughout the last few years:

21st Pick:
2012 - Jared Sullinger
2009 - Darren Collison
2008 - Ryan Anderson
2006 - Rajon Rondo
2005 - Nate Robinson
2003 - Boris Diaw

22nd Pick:
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2005 - Jarrett Jack

23rd Pick:
2008 - Kosta Koufos
2007 - Wilson Chandler
2002 - Tayshaun Prince

24th Pick
2013 - Tim Hardaway Jr
2011 - Reggie Jackson
2009 - Byron Mullins
2008 - Serge Ibaka
2006 - Kyle Lowry

Our staff is not expecting a superstar with this. They expect to get a starting caliber player or 6th man type. They can get that.

Yeah, you can get good players...as long as you aren't the Grizzlies. Last player that they got through the draft that is still playing for them is Mike Conley excluding Jamaal Franklin.

Draft history:
2006 1 24 Kyle Lowry USA PG Villanova
2007 1 4 Mike Conley, Jr. USA PG Ohio State
2008 1 5 Kevin Love USA C UCLA (traded to Minnesota)
2008 1 28 Donte Greene USA C Syracuse (from L.A. Lakers,[k] traded to Houston)
2009 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet Tanzania C Connecticut
2009 1 27 DeMarre Carroll USA PF Missouri
2009 2 36 Sam Young USA SF Pittsburgh
2010 1 12 Xavier Henry USA SG Kansas
2010 1 25 Dominique Jones USA SG South Florida (from Denver, traded to Dallas)
2010 1 28 Greivis Vasquez Venezuela PG/SG Maryland
2011 2 49 Josh Selby USA PG/SG Kansas
2012 1 25 Tony Wroten USA PG Washington
2013 2 41 Jamaal Franklin USA SG San Diego State
2013 2 60 Janis Timma Latvia SF BK Ventspils

Someone help me remember why the Grizz traded Kevin Love.

Heisley wanted a superstar and OJ Mayo was expected to be on the level of Derrick Rose.

If the Grizz kept Love (and Wallace wanted to do that) we probably never get Z-Bo.

I have never been as happy on a draft night as I was when we got OJ.

We took a chance and lost since OJ Mayo was good but not a superstar. Still better than wasting a pick on Hasheem Thabeet when the alternative would have been James Hardin, Tyreke Evans, or Stephan Curry.

I cringe when the Griz have draft picks. My all time favorite is letting Amare slip by and taking Drew Gooden. That miss was as stupid as thinking OJ would be better than Love.

OJ Mayo wasn't a bust. That trade was not ridiculous at the time.

Who knows what OJ Mayo becomes if he worked hard.

Gooden was probably the worst pick not Hasheem Thabeet. If Jerry West hadn't been added to the team right before the draft, Billy Knight likely picks someone who wasn't Drew Gooden. But since the team had Pau and Stro, it might not have been Amare.

(06-24-2014 11:56 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  OJ Mayo wasn't a bust. That trade was not ridiculous at the time.

Who knows what OJ Mayo because if he worked hard.

Gooden was probably the worst pick not Hasheem Thabeet. If Jerry West hadn't been added to the team right before the draft, Billy Knight likely picks someone who wasn't Drew Gooden. But since the team had Pau and Stro, it might not have been Amare.

The first Memphis grizzlies draft night was pretty darn good. We drafted Battier and traded for Gasol. Good nights work imo.

Drew Gooden was not a bad pick. Sure, they missed on Amare, but he was a high schooler and a bit of an unknown, and this is right after the fateful Eddy Curry-Chandler-Kwame Brown draft. Gooden has had a long and productive career as a fringe starter-3rd big men. That draft was awful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_draft

There were 2 all-stars in that draft only, Yao Ming and Amare. There were only 8 guys in that 1st round who had any kind of decent NBA career (Yao, T. Prince, John Salmons, Caron Butler, Amare, Nene, Gooden, Mike Dunleavy Jr). Really, really terrible first round.

(06-24-2014 06:56 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Drew Gooden was not a bad pick. Sure, they missed on Amare, but he was a high schooler and a bit of an unknown, and this is right after the fateful Eddy Curry-Chandler-Kwame Brown draft. Gooden has had a long and productive career as a fringe starter-3rd big men. That draft was awful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_draft

There were 2 all-stars in that draft only, Yao Ming and Amare. There were only 8 guys in that 1st round who had any kind of decent NBA career (Yao, T. Prince, John Salmons, Caron Butler, Amare, Nene, Gooden, Mike Dunleavy Jr). Really, really terrible first round.

Gooden was a bad draft pick for the Grizz because West wanted to convert him to small forward when it was obvious he couldn't be a good small forward.

There is a reason he is a journeyman.

Caron Butler or Amare should have been the pick.

(06-25-2014 10:09 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 06:56 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Drew Gooden was not a bad pick. Sure, they missed on Amare, but he was a high schooler and a bit of an unknown, and this is right after the fateful Eddy Curry-Chandler-Kwame Brown draft. Gooden has had a long and productive career as a fringe starter-3rd big men. That draft was awful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_draft

There were 2 all-stars in that draft only, Yao Ming and Amare. There were only 8 guys in that 1st round who had any kind of decent NBA career (Yao, T. Prince, John Salmons, Caron Butler, Amare, Nene, Gooden, Mike Dunleavy Jr). Really, really terrible first round.

Gooden was a bad draft pick for the Grizz because West wanted to convert him to small forward when it was obvious he couldn't be a good small forward.

There is a reason he is a journeyman.

Caron Butler or Amare should have been the pick.

The fact that they fell to 9 and 10 in the draft, 5 picks after us, points to that being something easy to say in hindsight, but something that wasn't at all obvious at the time.

All drafts are crap shoots. That particular draft was slaw. Way, way worse in hindsight was putting themselves in the position to miss out on 2003.

(06-25-2014 02:58 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 10:09 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 06:56 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Drew Gooden was not a bad pick. Sure, they missed on Amare, but he was a high schooler and a bit of an unknown, and this is right after the fateful Eddy Curry-Chandler-Kwame Brown draft. Gooden has had a long and productive career as a fringe starter-3rd big men. That draft was awful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_draft

There were 2 all-stars in that draft only, Yao Ming and Amare. There were only 8 guys in that 1st round who had any kind of decent NBA career (Yao, T. Prince, John Salmons, Caron Butler, Amare, Nene, Gooden, Mike Dunleavy Jr). Really, really terrible first round.

Gooden was a bad draft pick for the Grizz because West wanted to convert him to small forward when it was obvious he couldn't be a good small forward.

There is a reason he is a journeyman.

Caron Butler or Amare should have been the pick.

The fact that they fell to 9 and 10 in the draft, 5 picks after us, points to that being something easy to say in hindsight, but something that wasn't at all obvious at the time.

All drafts are crap shoots. That particular draft was slaw. Way, way worse in hindsight was putting themselves in the position to miss out on 2003.

Caron Butler because he was the best wing prospect and Amare because he most athletic. Dajuan was undersized and Gooden had little upside. The other guys were blah.

If west had been paying attention to prospects, he drafts Amare.

Didn't Vancouver trade the pick that ended up being the #2 in the 2003 draft?

Anyone think the Grizz could have made a run with Wade/Pau/Battier/Miller?

(06-26-2014 12:02 PM)spankadelphia Wrote:  Didn't Vancouver trade the pick that ended up being the #2 in the 2003 draft?

Anyone think the Grizz could have made a run with Wade/Pau/Battier/Miller?

Probably would have been Melo.