(06-19-2014 12:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 03:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:29 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Larry got us to an Elite Eight and Sweet 16...Josh could do worse.

Larry was underrated as a coach.

Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

Agree. Finch was an excellent floor coach & a high IQ player prior to that. I played with Finch in summer ball, against him in high school & he was a tough competitor, demanding a lot from himself & others on the court. He had an excellent rapport with players & he was a genuine guy. IMO what Larry lacked was good PR skills among "important" boosters & he wasn't as effective as he needed to be recruiting outside of the Memphis area.

really well said. The bottom line is Larry did not speak (or dress) white enough for some.

If they don't get you on your performance, they'll get you on your relationships

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:29 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:16 PM)tigerex Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:13 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  If you're right it's a blessing, but if you're wrong it's a curse. I think he is smart enough to learn from mistakes made being stubborn, so in the end it's a blessing.

Two coaches I had deep respect for had this trait. Cost them both their jobs. One was Coach Larry Finch. The other was Coach David Cutcliffe while he was at Ole Miss. It cost them dearly but they knew if they comprised on the field success would be cheapened. I am not insinuating anything toward Coach Pastner, just have those thoughts in the back of my mind.

Larry got us to an Elite Eight and Sweet 16...Josh could do worse.

Larry was underrated as a coach.

Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

Especially Rain Man was critical. I've never listen to him since. Huggins was one coach who defended Larry. I've respected him ever since.

(06-19-2014 08:43 AM)Mimi Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

That EXACT sentiment applies to Pastner as we live through it.

No it does not and no we are not.

(06-19-2014 11:49 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 10:33 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Everybody already knows

Worst kept secret

We knew 2 weeks ago

Everybody loves a clown

Clowns are scary...

Same with Josh ...

(06-19-2014 01:13 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 08:43 AM)Mimi Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

That EXACT sentiment applies to Pastner as we live through it.

No it does not and no we are not.

(06-19-2014 01:57 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 11:49 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 10:33 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Everybody already knows

Worst kept secret

We knew 2 weeks ago

Everybody loves a clown

Clowns are scary...

Same with Josh ...

One clown is scary but two clowns are funny.

(06-19-2014 09:05 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 01:13 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 08:43 AM)Mimi Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

That EXACT sentiment applies to Pastner as we live through it.

No it does not and no we are not.

(06-19-2014 01:57 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 11:49 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 10:33 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Everybody already knows

Worst kept secret

We knew 2 weeks ago

Everybody loves a clown

Clowns are scary...

Same with Josh ...

One clown is scary but two clowns are funny.

I'll bet that went over the second one's head.

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:29 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:16 PM)tigerex Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:13 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  If you're right it's a blessing, but if you're wrong it's a curse. I think he is smart enough to learn from mistakes made being stubborn, so in the end it's a blessing.

Two coaches I had deep respect for had this trait. Cost them both their jobs. One was Coach Larry Finch. The other was Coach David Cutcliffe while he was at Ole Miss. It cost them dearly but they knew if they comprised on the field success would be cheapened. I am not insinuating anything toward Coach Pastner, just have those thoughts in the back of my mind.

Larry got us to an Elite Eight and Sweet 16...Josh could do worse.

Larry was underrated as a coach.

Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

My issue with Finch is if he believed that he needed to ask for immunity in the Kirk trial then there has to be a reason and he should not have been promoted for that reason.

(06-19-2014 12:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 03:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:29 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Larry got us to an Elite Eight and Sweet 16...Josh could do worse.

Larry was underrated as a coach.

Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

Agree. Finch was an excellent floor coach & a high IQ player prior to that. I played with Finch in summer ball, against him in high school & he was a tough competitor, demanding a lot from himself & others on the court. He had an excellent rapport with players & he was a genuine guy. IMO what Larry lacked was good PR skills among "important" boosters & he wasn't as effective as he needed to be recruiting outside of the Memphis area.

really well said. The bottom line is Larry did not speak (or dress) white enough for some.

Your statement is quite incendiary without proof.

I lived in Memphis during Coach Finch's playing days and followed him closely throughout his coaching career and I am not aware of any shred of hard evidence backing your statement. Indeed, he was admired by everyone I know without exception. He was more than a great player and coach; he was an unifying force in Memphis during a troubled time.

(06-20-2014 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 03:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:29 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  Larry was underrated as a coach.

Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

Agree. Finch was an excellent floor coach & a high IQ player prior to that. I played with Finch in summer ball, against him in high school & he was a tough competitor, demanding a lot from himself & others on the court. He had an excellent rapport with players & he was a genuine guy. IMO what Larry lacked was good PR skills among "important" boosters & he wasn't as effective as he needed to be recruiting outside of the Memphis area.

really well said. The bottom line is Larry did not speak (or dress) white enough for some.

Your statement is quite incendiary without proof.

I lived in Memphis during Coach Finch's playing days and followed him closely throughout his coaching career and I am not aware of any shred of hard evidence backing your statement. Indeed, he was admired by everyone I know without exception. He was more than a great player and coach; he was an unifying force in Memphis during a troubled time.

I never, ever heard anyone comment on Larry's race. Never.

(06-20-2014 08:55 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 03:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

Agree. Finch was an excellent floor coach & a high IQ player prior to that. I played with Finch in summer ball, against him in high school & he was a tough competitor, demanding a lot from himself & others on the court. He had an excellent rapport with players & he was a genuine guy. IMO what Larry lacked was good PR skills among "important" boosters & he wasn't as effective as he needed to be recruiting outside of the Memphis area.

really well said. The bottom line is Larry did not speak (or dress) white enough for some.

Your statement is quite incendiary without proof.

I lived in Memphis during Coach Finch's playing days and followed him closely throughout his coaching career and I am not aware of any shred of hard evidence backing your statement. Indeed, he was admired by everyone I know without exception. He was more than a great player and coach; he was an unifying force in Memphis during a troubled time.

I never, ever heard anyone comment on Larry's race. Never.

His race was brought up hundreds of times. Especially during the period where attendance was tanking. Almost exclusively brought up as a defense by the AA community when the dropping attendance was mentioned. Even though with lots of empty seats that few of them actually stepped up and filled those seats. What was once considered the hottest ticket in town for decades, suddenly came available and not many took advantage of the situation.

(06-20-2014 08:55 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 03:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

Agree. Finch was an excellent floor coach & a high IQ player prior to that. I played with Finch in summer ball, against him in high school & he was a tough competitor, demanding a lot from himself & others on the court. He had an excellent rapport with players & he was a genuine guy. IMO what Larry lacked was good PR skills among "important" boosters & he wasn't as effective as he needed to be recruiting outside of the Memphis area.

really well said. The bottom line is Larry did not speak (or dress) white enough for some.

Your statement is quite incendiary without proof.

I lived in Memphis during Coach Finch's playing days and followed him closely throughout his coaching career and I am not aware of any shred of hard evidence backing your statement. Indeed, he was admired by everyone I know without exception. He was more than a great player and coach; he was an unifying force in Memphis during a troubled time.

I never, ever heard anyone comment on Larry's race. Never.

If you think race was not on the minds of the administration, explain the Tic Price hire.

(06-20-2014 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 03:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:29 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  Larry was underrated as a coach.

Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

Agree. Finch was an excellent floor coach & a high IQ player prior to that. I played with Finch in summer ball, against him in high school & he was a tough competitor, demanding a lot from himself & others on the court. He had an excellent rapport with players & he was a genuine guy. IMO what Larry lacked was good PR skills among "important" boosters & he wasn't as effective as he needed to be recruiting outside of the Memphis area.

really well said. The bottom line is Larry did not speak (or dress) white enough for some.

Your statement is quite incendiary without proof.

I lived in Memphis during Coach Finch's playing days and followed him closely throughout his coaching career and I am not aware of any shred of hard evidence backing your statement. Indeed, he was admired by everyone I know without exception. He was more than a great player and coach; he was an unifying force in Memphis during a troubled time.

#Truth
Larry Finch was/is admired and loved by Memphis, black and white.

(06-22-2014 08:09 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 03:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

Agree. Finch was an excellent floor coach & a high IQ player prior to that. I played with Finch in summer ball, against him in high school & he was a tough competitor, demanding a lot from himself & others on the court. He had an excellent rapport with players & he was a genuine guy. IMO what Larry lacked was good PR skills among "important" boosters & he wasn't as effective as he needed to be recruiting outside of the Memphis area.

really well said. The bottom line is Larry did not speak (or dress) white enough for some.

Your statement is quite incendiary without proof.

I lived in Memphis during Coach Finch's playing days and followed him closely throughout his coaching career and I am not aware of any shred of hard evidence backing your statement. Indeed, he was admired by everyone I know without exception. He was more than a great player and coach; he was an unifying force in Memphis during a troubled time.

#Truth
Larry Finch was/is admired and loved by Memphis, black and white.

Sorry, but I knew quite a few people - really nice people in most other respects - who felt, and openly stated, that because of Finch's race, he "just wasn't going to be able to handle those boys." Now, they "liked" Finch, but at no point in time did they think he was qualified to be coach. Sweeping it under the rug really doesn't serve any purpose.

(06-22-2014 06:25 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 08:55 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 12:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 03:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Agree. Finch was an excellent floor coach & a high IQ player prior to that. I played with Finch in summer ball, against him in high school & he was a tough competitor, demanding a lot from himself & others on the court. He had an excellent rapport with players & he was a genuine guy. IMO what Larry lacked was good PR skills among "important" boosters & he wasn't as effective as he needed to be recruiting outside of the Memphis area.

really well said. The bottom line is Larry did not speak (or dress) white enough for some.

Your statement is quite incendiary without proof.

I lived in Memphis during Coach Finch's playing days and followed him closely throughout his coaching career and I am not aware of any shred of hard evidence backing your statement. Indeed, he was admired by everyone I know without exception. He was more than a great player and coach; he was an unifying force in Memphis during a troubled time.

I never, ever heard anyone comment on Larry's race. Never.

If you think race was not on the minds of the administration, explain the Tic Price hire.

Please show where I said race was not on their minds regarding the hiring of Finch's successor, or anything about his successor, for that matter.

(06-19-2014 12:56 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:53 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 01:12 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:29 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Larry got us to an Elite Eight and Sweet 16...Josh could do worse.

Larry was underrated as a coach.

Larry was never fully appreciated here. People were constantly on his back criticizing him for everything under the Sun. National people would comment that they were baffled at the heavy criticism leveled at Larry

Same with Josh.

no offense but that comparison is just dumb. As mentioned, let Josh hit the round of 16 before we put him in the same breath as Larry. Better yet, let’s just never compare the two again for any reason.

Posted while making a comparison.

You mean the 1992 Penny Hardaway team that made an Elite 8 run in Finch's 6th season- after his first 5 seasons ended in: Probation (not his fault), 2d round NCAA, 1st round NCAA loss as 5 seed, NIT, NIT? That team, still with Hardaway stumbled to a first round loss to Western KY the following year, although was hurt by the loss of David Vaughn.

Look- we love Finch. I loved Finch. Could care less about his specific results in certain years- he was our beloved coach, beloved Memphian and he got a raw deal (I thought) at the end.

But when we get this same old needling of our current coach using the unconscionable martyred memory of a hero like Finch- it merits responses. It is your nonsense here that garners the defenses- instead of simply embracing our past and our present. Let alone looking at what really happened (and i get the idea that in the past if any one thing had changed the team would have been national champions- gee in 1987 we would have won it all- definitely- but Pastner still stinks- I see).

Shame on you.