(06-18-2014 10:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 09:25 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 08:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 05:40 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 02:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  The other conferences could decide that they aren't going to play a conference championship game. Then the networks get involved. Then the Big 12 is forced to go to 12.

ESPN is going to force them to do something that will make ESPN have to spend more money?

The other P5 conferences are supposedly pressuring ESPN by saying if the B12 doesn't play a CCG, then they won't, either. ESPN sure as hell doesn't want that to happen.

And if they in turn pressure the B12 to add a CCG, it won't cost ESPN money, b/c ESPN will not pay as much as they can generate on a B12 CCG.

That would have worked well for our chances, until the stupid ACC proposal came into being.

But I agree that we need to perform better in football the next few years, to improve our chances, in case they expand, for whatever reason.

I always lose track of all the scenarios.

What incentive does the ACC have to float the 10 team proposal? What incentive do the other P5 have to allow this? Why not force the B12 to add?

It seems to me that forcing the B12 to dilute would also be better for the larger conferences.

The ACC is NOT floating a 10 team proposal. They are asking the NCAA to allow them to determine a conference champion any way they see fit. That would negate the current requirements of 12 teams minimum, 2 divisions of equal numbers, and playing everybody in the opposing division within a certain time period.

The ACC's incentive is that, with 14 teams, plus ND in for 5 games, it makes for an odd number. They are having trouble adhering to all the NCAA restrictions, and also in keeping all the teams happy with whom they want to play, how often, and where, in conference.

Killing the current CCG requirements also gives them the option to add one new team, rather than two, if the need ever arose in the future.

I don't see how any ACC member would want that.

Notre Dame is going to win any close race if they end up in a tie for the conference championship.

Notre Dame needs to get all in or get out. Screw them.

(06-18-2014 11:17 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 10:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 09:25 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 08:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 05:40 AM)fsquid Wrote:  ESPN is going to force them to do something that will make ESPN have to spend more money?

The other P5 conferences are supposedly pressuring ESPN by saying if the B12 doesn't play a CCG, then they won't, either. ESPN sure as hell doesn't want that to happen.

And if they in turn pressure the B12 to add a CCG, it won't cost ESPN money, b/c ESPN will not pay as much as they can generate on a B12 CCG.

That would have worked well for our chances, until the stupid ACC proposal came into being.

But I agree that we need to perform better in football the next few years, to improve our chances, in case they expand, for whatever reason.

I always lose track of all the scenarios.

What incentive does the ACC have to float the 10 team proposal? What incentive do the other P5 have to allow this? Why not force the B12 to add?

It seems to me that forcing the B12 to dilute would also be better for the larger conferences.

The ACC is NOT floating a 10 team proposal. They are asking the NCAA to allow them to determine a conference champion any way they see fit. That would negate the current requirements of 12 teams minimum, 2 divisions of equal numbers, and playing everybody in the opposing division within a certain time period.

The ACC's incentive is that, with 14 teams, plus ND in for 5 games, it makes for an odd number. They are having trouble adhering to all the NCAA restrictions, and also in keeping all the teams happy with whom they want to play, how often, and where, in conference.

Killing the current CCG requirements also gives them the option to add one new team, rather than two, if the need ever arose in the future.

I don't see how any ACC member would want that.

Notre Dame is going to win any close race if they end up in a tie for the conference championship.

Notre Dame needs to get all in or get out. Screw them.

Notre Dame isn't eligible for the conference championship, or the CCG.

All I'm saying is that ND complicates the ACC's scheduling situation, but the bigger issue is that the ACC doesn't want to be restricted by the requirement to play all the other opposing division teams within a certain time frame.

For example, some of the teams in opposite divisions want to play each other every year, not every other year. And some don't want to play the better teams the same year they have ND in the rotation for OOC. And some don't want to play some of the teams in their division every year.

The whole point is, the ACC wants no scheduling restrictions, so they are asking to determine their Conference Champ any way they want.

If passed (almost a certainty), that has the collateral effect of eliminating the need for 12 teams for the B12 to hold a CCG.

(06-18-2014 09:05 AM)TJT Wrote:  If you think this has a happy ending for Memphis, you haven't been paying attention. Geography means nothing. They already have our TV sets thanks to the sec, so that means nothing. Ohio and Florida are far more fertile recruiting grounds than Tennessee. We will get left out again. The time to prepare for this move was 30 years ago, we have already lost.

Exactly.

Recruiting - a major factor in expansion >>

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...expansion/

... On Nov. 18, 2006, nearly 22 million viewers watched No. 1 Ohio State beat No. 2 Michigan 42-39, the highest-rated regular-season college football game in 13 years. Seven weeks later Florida, coached by future Buckeyes savior Urban Meyer, humiliated Big Ten champion Ohio State 41-14 in the BCS national championship game, beginning a streak of seven straight SEC national titles and a dark era for Big Ten football. The conference has produced one winning bowl record since '02 (4-3 in '09) and no top 10 draft picks since '08, while the SEC has exported 24 in the same span....


... The Big Ten's slippage in football is largely due to the dearth of high-level talent in its population-depleted backyard. In the 2015 recruiting class, just 32 of Rivals' 325 four or five-star prospects hail from one of the nine current Big Ten states. Maryland; Washington, D.C.; Virginia and New Jersey, however, add another 32 on their own. "Because of their recruiting areas and where they're located, it puts Rutgers and Maryland ahead of Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue and Northwestern," said DiNardo. That is if they can keep those players home. Ohio State, Michigan and others can now sell annual trips back home to blue-chippers in those states. "It was bad enough for Maryland to be raided from the South," says Rivals.com national recruiting director Mike Farrell. "Now they'll be raided from the Midwest."

It may be a decade or more before we know whether Delany's move was right. Success is dependent on Rutgers's overcoming its propensity to self-destruct and Maryland's returning to glory in the two revenue sports. Many expected Texas A&M and Missouri to struggle upon moving from the Big 12 to the SEC; each has already produced a top five football team. "If [Rutgers or Maryland] approximates what Missouri and A&M did, you'd see Big Ten fans really embracing them because just by proxy it makes their program look better," says Zimmermann. "But if those schools don't carry their weight or add value, who cares? The fans aren't getting that $45 million." Delany concedes that Ohio State-Maryland lacks the sizzle of Ohio State-Nebraska, but he's betting the former will help attract a new legion of fans. In the meantime the current fans are like longtime residents in a gentrified neighborhood. Like it or not, change happens.

(06-18-2014 11:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 11:17 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 10:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 09:25 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 08:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The other P5 conferences are supposedly pressuring ESPN by saying if the B12 doesn't play a CCG, then they won't, either. ESPN sure as hell doesn't want that to happen.

And if they in turn pressure the B12 to add a CCG, it won't cost ESPN money, b/c ESPN will not pay as much as they can generate on a B12 CCG.

That would have worked well for our chances, until the stupid ACC proposal came into being.

But I agree that we need to perform better in football the next few years, to improve our chances, in case they expand, for whatever reason.

I always lose track of all the scenarios.

What incentive does the ACC have to float the 10 team proposal? What incentive do the other P5 have to allow this? Why not force the B12 to add?

It seems to me that forcing the B12 to dilute would also be better for the larger conferences.

The ACC is NOT floating a 10 team proposal. They are asking the NCAA to allow them to determine a conference champion any way they see fit. That would negate the current requirements of 12 teams minimum, 2 divisions of equal numbers, and playing everybody in the opposing division within a certain time period.

The ACC's incentive is that, with 14 teams, plus ND in for 5 games, it makes for an odd number. They are having trouble adhering to all the NCAA restrictions, and also in keeping all the teams happy with whom they want to play, how often, and where, in conference.

Killing the current CCG requirements also gives them the option to add one new team, rather than two, if the need ever arose in the future.

I don't see how any ACC member would want that.

Notre Dame is going to win any close race if they end up in a tie for the conference championship.

Notre Dame needs to get all in or get out. Screw them.

Notre Dame isn't eligible for the conference championship, or the CCG.

All I'm saying is that ND complicates the ACC's scheduling situation, but the bigger issue is that the ACC doesn't want to be restricted by the requirement to play all the other opposing division teams within a certain time frame.

For example, some of the teams in opposite divisions want to play each other every year, not every other year. And some don't want to play the better teams the same year they have ND in the rotation for OOC. And some don't want to play some of the teams in their division every year.

The whole point is, the ACC wants no scheduling restrictions, so they are asking to determine their Conference Champ any way they want.

If passed (almost a certainty), that has the collateral effect of eliminating the need for 12 teams for the B12 to hold a CCG.

Well that was sort of my point about Notre Dame. They could go undefeated, and though they wouldn't win the ACC they would find a way to be eligible for the playoffs.

Your scenario is exactly what I despise about 12+ teams in a conference. The only real way to determine a league champion is round robin play, with no more than 10 teams and a 9 game conference schedule. The ideal conference would be 9 teams with an 8 game conference schedule. The rotating divisional games is never going to be fair to everyone.

(06-17-2014 03:01 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

Said that the Big 12 will suffer under the 4 team national championship playoff, being left out most years. He predicts they will add two new TV markets. His guess - Cincinnati and UCF.

UCFSports.com Publisher put out this free article that had comments from that College Football Live Show.

https://ucf.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1651435

Much of this week, ESPN Anlaysts predicted that the Big 12 will suffer in regards to the P5 Committee when it comes to Final Four Selection because all the other P5 Conf (SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12) all play a tough/extra 13th Championship Game...and as long as Big 12 has just 10 teams and no Championship Game...P5 will lean toward other conferences for those 4 spots. (Most think SEC will grab 2 spots most years...so that leaves just 2 spots for 4 others...Pac-12, Big Ten, ACC and Big 12...and Big 12 would be at a major disadvantage).

(06-18-2014 09:05 AM)TJT Wrote:  If you think this has a happy ending for Memphis, you haven't been paying attention. Geography means nothing. They already have our TV sets thanks to the sec, so that means nothing. Ohio and Florida are far more fertile recruiting grounds than Tennessee. We will get left out again. The time to prepare for this move was 30 years ago, we have already lost.

Kentucky doesn't have much fertile recruiting grounds in any sport...yet ACC invited Louisville.

While geography/tv sets certainly helps (i.e. see TCU, Rutgers, Maryland invites, etc...), good all-around sports programs (especially football and basketball) in not so great recruiting areas or not in a Top 20 TV market , that can work too as Louisville proved.

Every school has their strengths/weaknesses...schools just need to focus on their strengths will improving their weaknesses...as that's something they can control (i.e. can't control geography, TV market size, etc...)

The B12 plans to add a CCG, probably after next year's season, not this year's. They are simply trying to do it w/o adding any teams. That's why the ACC proposal to change the rules governing CCGs is of interest to them.

(06-19-2014 05:14 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 03:01 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

Said that the Big 12 will suffer under the 4 team national championship playoff, being left out most years. He predicts they will add two new TV markets. His guess - Cincinnati and UCF.

UCFSports.com Publisher put out this free article that had comments from that College Football Live Show.

https://ucf.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1651435

Much of this week, ESPN Anlaysts predicted that the Big 12 will suffer in regards to the P5 Committee when it comes to Final Four Selection because all the other P5 Conf (SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12) all play a tough/extra 13th Championship Game...and as long as Big 12 has just 10 teams and no Championship Game...P5 will lean toward other conferences for those 4 spots. (Most think SEC will grab 2 spots most years...so that leaves just 2 spots for 4 others...Pac-12, Big Ten, ACC and Big 12...and Big 12 would be at a major disadvantage).

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(06-18-2014 09:05 AM)TJT Wrote:  If you think this has a happy ending for Memphis, you haven't been paying attention. Geography means nothing. They already have our TV sets thanks to the sec, so that means nothing. Ohio and Florida are far more fertile recruiting grounds than Tennessee. We will get left out again. The time to prepare for this move was 30 years ago, we have already lost.

Bearcat fan weighing in here; have always enjoyed having Memphis as a conference member. I agree with your assesment and my own paranoia says UC will be left behind in future expansions as well. In my line of thinking UC's best chance is if further expansion by the B1G or $EC takes some schools from the ACC (e.g. F$U, Clemson) and that opens the door to a UC (B1G territory and Ohio recruits). As other posters have stated everyone wants a piece of FL so UCF seems to be poised the best NOW if a non P5 school is taken.

The other comment I agree with is the time to act being years ago. I know there are a few "old-timers" on the Memphis boards that remember the Metro conference... if only they had gotten the "Super Metro" conference going.

Quote:Under the Metro's super-conference plan - devised by Raycom Sports of Charlotte, N.C. - the eight-team conference would expand to 16 teams for football with a 12-team all-sports league. Miami, West Virginia, Temple, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Boston College and East Carolina have been invited to join.

Syracuse, Pitt and Boston College would remain in the Big East Conference for basketball and other sports, as would East Carolina in the Colonial Athletic Association.

The existing Metro schools are FSU, South Carolina, Cincinnati, Louisville, Southern Mississippi, Tulane, Virginia Tech and Memphis State.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990...etro-plans

UC really benefitted from our short time in the BE and our mutual former conference mate UL was way ahead of the curve in upgrading all of their programs.

Regardless of the future, I enjoy having Memphis in conference again and wish the best for both our programs.

(06-19-2014 05:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 09:05 AM)TJT Wrote:  If you think this has a happy ending for Memphis, you haven't been paying attention. Geography means nothing. They already have our TV sets thanks to the sec, so that means nothing. Ohio and Florida are far more fertile recruiting grounds than Tennessee. We will get left out again. The time to prepare for this move was 30 years ago, we have already lost.

Kentucky doesn't have much fertile recruiting grounds in any sport...yet ACC invited Louisville.

Louisville with their on-campus stadium, nationally competitive football program and their multiple national titles in basketball, yea we have a lot in common with Louisville right now.

Related note ...

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken · 48m
UConn perks up RT @GeorgeSchroeder: Judge trying to figure out how schools would get into the B1G.

(06-20-2014 01:44 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Related note ...

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken · 48m
UConn perks up RT @GeorgeSchroeder: Judge trying to figure out how schools would get into the B1G.

Every school in the AAC (except perhaps the newbies ECU, Tulsa, Tulane, Navy) is paddling like hell to get out of the AAC and into the P5 somewhere.

We're wooing the B12 and ACC. UConn is after the ACC and B1G. UC same as us. SMU and Houston are trying the B12 and the Pac 12. UCF, USF and Temple looking everywhere they can. Even ECU maybe the same.

The native Americans be restless.

(06-20-2014 08:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 01:44 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Related note ...

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken · 48m
UConn perks up RT @GeorgeSchroeder: Judge trying to figure out how schools would get into the B1G.

Every school in the AAC (except perhaps the newbies ECU, Tulsa, Tulane, Navy) is paddling like hell to get out of the AAC and into the P5 somewhere.

We're wooing the B12 and ACC. UConn is after the ACC and B1G. UC same as us. SMU and Houston are trying the B12 and the Pac 12. UCF, USF and Temple looking everywhere they can. Even ECU maybe the same.

The native Americans be restless.

I'm sorry, but you forgot to capitalize 'native'. Good grief...I forgot that line, though. That's when the cavalry would hear them singing, whooping and drumming at night? Right?

holy ****...I think you reminded me of another you're not from Memphis if

(06-21-2014 12:50 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 08:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 01:44 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Related note ...

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken · 48m
UConn perks up RT @GeorgeSchroeder: Judge trying to figure out how schools would get into the B1G.

Every school in the AAC (except perhaps the newbies ECU, Tulsa, Tulane, Navy) is paddling like hell to get out of the AAC and into the P5 somewhere.

We're wooing the B12 and ACC. UConn is after the ACC and B1G. UC same as us. SMU and Houston are trying the B12 and the Pac 12. UCF, USF and Temple looking everywhere they can. Even ECU maybe the same.

The native Americans be restless.

I'm sorry, but you forgot to capitalize 'native'. Good grief...I forgot that line, though. That's when the cavalry would hear them singing, whooping and drumming at night? Right?

holy ****...I think you reminded me of another you're not from Memphis if

No, didn't forget. Play on words. I meant the "natives" I.e. All new teams in the American Conference. Thus native (small letter) teams in the AAC.