Cincinnati and UCF, in regards to potentially leaving the AAC for another conf...in this case, the Big 12.

Joe Schad was asked who he would invite to the Big 12 (as the pressure for them to expand will grow when odds are, the P5 Committee will give Final Four bids to teams from conferences with extra Championship Game, ala SEC, ACC, Big Ten, & Pac-12), and he mentioned both Cincinnati and UCF as 11th and 12th teams.

This topic was posted earlier and moved.

Anyways it's all BS for summer viewing. Yes UC and a UCF are the current hot names but the Big12 is NOT expanding this year.

BYU and/or AFA might actually be #1, and based on recent statements BYU appears to be back onboard wishing the get into the B12. Past that, I'd agree that Cinci and UCF are most likely from the AAC. Houston SHOULD be on that list but will forever be blocked by UT. As the years go by, USF could creep into consideration if CWT turns the program around and the support returns.

I still think UCF and USF make a great tandem statement for the B12 in Florida, since the SEC clearly planted a flag in Texas with AnM, and as we've seen from WVU 'islands' are a bad thing. But no one can argue that as of today UCF is the more attractive single Florida program. BCS wins tend to do that!

IF and WHEN the Big12 decides to expand it will NOT be based on how successful a school is on the field. Boise is a prime example.

I think UCF/USF combo makes a lot of sense if the Big12 pulls the trigger. Put them in separate divisions and the other Big12 teams get one game in Florida each season. Good growth opportunity on top of bigger markets. Sort of sells itself. Just my opinion.

(06-17-2014 08:40 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I think UCF/USF combo makes a lot of sense if the Big12 pulls the trigger. Put them in separate divisions and the other Big12 teams get one game in Florida each season. Good growth opportunity on top of bigger markets. Sort of sells itself. Just my opinion.

I totally agree

probably to logical to happen though

(06-17-2014 08:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  IF and WHEN the Big12 decides to expand it will NOT be based on how successful a school is on the field. Boise is a prime example.

True.

95% of all recent conf expansion moves were TV $$$ based...either be it local/regional TV market, flagship state team, etc...

The most interesting point made in that show yesterday was how the P5 Committee will not choose a team from the Big 12...because they currently do not play that extra Championship Game...like the SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 do.

I see the P5 Committee selecting for Final Four

1) Automatically the SEC Champ...regardless of record/SOS
2 & 3) Two Conf Game Champions from this group of 3 Conferences: ACC, Big Ten & Pac-12
4) Another team from the SEC (maybe lost tie breaker for Divisional spot in SEC Champ Game).

This pressure for the extra Champ Game (and benefits that come with it) will most likely force the Big 12 to expand...even if they don't want to.

Playing that extra 13th game (against another top team) will be key in the P5 Committee's decision.

(06-17-2014 08:40 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I think UCF/USF combo makes a lot of sense if the Big12 pulls the trigger. Put them in separate divisions and the other Big12 teams get one game in Florida each season. Good growth opportunity on top of bigger markets. Sort of sells itself. Just my opinion.

The markets are there as well as recruiting grounds,but both schools need to keep growing in stature. Don't think the Big12 will be considering expanding until their tv contract runs out. But both UCF and USF need to play their close proximity to build their rivalry and grow their programs. If we can make our yearly games a big tv event like the UF-FSU or FSU- Miami ones. It would be a very attractive tv option for any conference

Nobody is moving for a long time. Time for uconn, cincy, ucf, and whoever else to get that.

(06-17-2014 08:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 08:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  IF and WHEN the Big12 decides to expand it will NOT be based on how successful a school is on the field. Boise is a prime example.

True.

95% of all recent conf expansion moves were TV $$$ based...either be it local/regional TV market, flagship state team, etc...

The most interesting point made in that show yesterday was how the P5 Committee will not choose a team from the Big 12...because they currently do not play that extra Championship Game...like the SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 do.

I see the P5 Committee selecting for Final Four

1) Automatically the SEC Champ...regardless of record/SOS
2 & 3) Two Conf Game Champions from this group of 3 Conferences: ACC, Big Ten & Pac-12
4) Another team from the SEC (maybe lost tie breaker for Divisional spot in SEC Champ Game).

This pressure for the extra Champ Game (and benefits that come with it) will most likely force the Big 12 to expand...even if they don't want to.

Playing that extra 13th game (against another top team) will be key in the P5 Committee's decision.

Disagree with you on that. The Big12 champ will trump the ACC champ in most occasions. No way that an ACC champ not named FSU trumps a Texas or Oklahoma with a similar record.

(06-17-2014 08:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 08:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  IF and WHEN the Big12 decides to expand it will NOT be based on how successful a school is on the field. Boise is a prime example.

True.

95% of all recent conf expansion moves were TV $$$ based...either be it local/regional TV market, flagship state team, etc...

The most interesting point made in that show yesterday was how the P5 Committee will not choose a team from the Big 12...because they currently do not play that extra Championship Game...like the SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 do.

I see the P5 Committee selecting for Final Four

1) Automatically the SEC Champ...regardless of record/SOS
2 & 3) Two Conf Game Champions from this group of 3 Conferences: ACC, Big Ten & Pac-12
4) Another team from the SEC (maybe lost tie breaker for Divisional spot in SEC Champ Game).

This pressure for the extra Champ Game (and benefits that come with it) will most likely force the Big 12 to expand...even if they don't want to.

Playing that extra 13th game (against another top team) will be key in the P5 Committee's decision.

For the SEC TO place two teams in the 4 team playoff the other conference champs are going to have to be pretty bad. I just can't see them leaving two conferences out of the playoff. if that happens it will be expanding to 8 sooner rather than later. I personally think the SEC will be hurt by the FCS games and there large # of home games relative to other conferences. Florida rarely leaves the state I mean come on. It has always been easier to win at home then on the road.

I do think the SEC Champ will more than likely be a lock but I don't agree with your other scenario. Generally speaking the Big 12 has been a much tougher conference top to bottom then the Big 10 or ACC so I think it is unlikely they are left out regardless of the championship game. I mean two years ago 9 of the 10 went bowling. Not many free lunches on their schedule. We also have the proposed legislation around divisions and requirement for 12 teams to have a championship game. If that is removed there is no chance they expand.

(06-17-2014 08:46 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 08:40 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I think UCF/USF combo makes a lot of sense if the Big12 pulls the trigger. Put them in separate divisions and the other Big12 teams get one game in Florida each season. Good growth opportunity on top of bigger markets. Sort of sells itself. Just my opinion.

The markets are there as well as recruiting grounds,but both schools need to keep growing in stature. Don't think the Big12 will be considering expanding until their tv contract runs out. But both UCF and USF need to play their close proximity to build their rivalry and grow their programs. If we can make our yearly games a big tv event like the UF-FSU or FSU- Miami ones. It would be a very attractive tv option for any conference

Completely agree. The UCF/USF rivalry has to become prominent to project both schools nationally. Good for the AAC in the interim also.

(06-17-2014 08:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  IF and WHEN the Big12 decides to expand it will NOT be based on how successful a school is on the field. Boise is a prime example.

Rutgers, Maryland, Pitt and Syracuse all agree.

(06-17-2014 08:46 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 08:40 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I think UCF/USF combo makes a lot of sense if the Big12 pulls the trigger. Put them in separate divisions and the other Big12 teams get one game in Florida each season. Good growth opportunity on top of bigger markets. Sort of sells itself. Just my opinion.

The markets are there as well as recruiting grounds,but both schools need to keep growing in stature. Don't think the Big12 will be considering expanding until their tv contract runs out. But both UCF and USF need to play their close proximity to build their rivalry and grow their programs. If we can make our yearly games a big tv event like the UF-FSU or FSU- Miami ones. It would be a very attractive tv option for any conference

One way the current contract could be opened up again is if the Big 12 added an extra Championship Game...which would trigger an automatic "look-in" period (i.e. open up some, maybe all the contract to current or new bidders), and maybe that's how ABC/ESPN might "grab" some power back from FOX, who they currently share the Big 12 TV Contract with.

In Sept 2012, Big 12 signed a 13 year tv contract with ABC/ESPN & FOX.

Of course, the above was done before the new Final Four Playoff selected by a Committee was decided on....so I don't see the Big 12 standing still till 2025...while the Committee almost each and every year gives extra credit to the Champions from all the other P5 teams that play that 13th/extra Championship Game.

(06-17-2014 08:48 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Nobody is moving for a long time. Time for uconn, cincy, ucf, and whoever else to get that.

I can't speak for other Cincinnati fans, but I believe most of them already "get that."

What I like is that when you hear things about who could move BYU, Cincy, UCONN, USF, UCF amongst others are mentioned. That's 40% of our current conference having enough "media" clout or attention to say they could/should get called up. However, they turn around and say the AAC is like the Sunbelt?

I, for one, and thanking God it looks like no more moves will happen for the forseeable future. Build up the American and all our programs.

Disclaimer: Of course if USF got an invite... I'd support that in a heartbeat. ;-)

(06-17-2014 09:15 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  What I like is that when you hear things about who could move BYU, Cincy, UCONN, USF, UCF amongst others are mentioned. That's 40% of our current conference having enough "media" clout or attention to say they could/should get called up. However, they turn around and say the AAC is like the Sunbelt?

This is a good point. All of our schools are the likely call ups which means they are fringe P5's but yet everyone says we are equal to the sunbelt/MAC/CUSA.

The reality is we are way ahead of those conferences even if we can't seem to get credit for being way ahead. Just time to prove it on the field.

(06-17-2014 08:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 08:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 08:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  IF and WHEN the Big12 decides to expand it will NOT be based on how successful a school is on the field. Boise is a prime example.

True.

95% of all recent conf expansion moves were TV $$$ based...either be it local/regional TV market, flagship state team, etc...

The most interesting point made in that show yesterday was how the P5 Committee will not choose a team from the Big 12...because they currently do not play that extra Championship Game...like the SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 do.

I see the P5 Committee selecting for Final Four

1) Automatically the SEC Champ...regardless of record/SOS
2 & 3) Two Conf Game Champions from this group of 3 Conferences: ACC, Big Ten & Pac-12
4) Another team from the SEC (maybe lost tie breaker for Divisional spot in SEC Champ Game).

This pressure for the extra Champ Game (and benefits that come with it) will most likely force the Big 12 to expand...even if they don't want to.

Playing that extra 13th game (against another top team) will be key in the P5 Committee's decision.

Disagree with you on that. The Big12 champ will trump the ACC champ in most occasions. No way that an ACC champ not named FSU trumps a Texas or Oklahoma with a similar record.

But that's the thing...their records won't be similar...because Big 12 teams will not be playing a 13th Championship Game.

FSU, Clemson...(maybe another team jumps up near the top with a great year...ala Va Tech), that's why I said the Committee (most years) would select TWO teams from the Group of 3 Conf Championship Game winners (ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12).

Yes, ACC is not as powerful as the SEC...which is why most years, I think the SEC easily gets 2 teams into the Final Four...and remember, the SEC made sure that a rule to LIMIT teams from each conf that can make the Final Four did not pass...as Slive "dreams" of a year when THREE teams from the SEC make the Final Four (at least the dream is somewhat possible).

Big 12 not playing that Championship Game will cost them in some (not all) years.

Guaranteed (or close to it).

The Big 12 has a CCG its called the Red River Rivalry. If that doesnt work out they have Bedlam during Thanksgiving.

The University of Texas would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever look at two directional schools in Florida as equals and allow them in the Big 12. It will never happen unless Texas and Oklahoma leave for the Pac 12.