I truly believe the NCAA is going to allow conferences to change the playoff format for the championship game but keep the requirement of 12 teams. Since the B12 is the only conference not at 12, why would the other P5's allow them to have a conference game since they had to expand to at least 12. If this scenario were to happen, the top two teams playing in the championship games at the end of the season will be getting all the attention. Trying to make the Championship games the first round of the play-offs.

What I would love to see but know it will never happen.

1. Add 7 teams to the 65. (Be glad to give your 7. The first five I that popped in my mind was BYU, CINCI, FRESNO, BOISE, UCF after that it is hard. ECU, UCONN, Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, etc)
2. Force ND into conference.
2. Create Eight 9 team conferences
3. Play the conference championship games the first weekend in Dec
4. Committee seeds 8 teams for the next weekend at higher seed site the next weekend.
5. Use current 4 team playoff scenario now in place.

Offer same model to G5.
Play the G5 final four game before the P5 3pm NYE and NYD
Have G5 play Friday Championship game and P5 play Monday Championship game

Eventually create G5 vs P5 championship game like the old NFL vs AFL. Be great for the weekend before the superbowl.

(06-16-2014 10:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:31 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

On ESPN's College Football Live show today...topic of Big 12 expansion came up and ESPN's Joe Schad said these would be his top 2 teams for Big 12 additions:

Cincinnati
UCF

Schad predicts that after the new P5 Committee invites teams for the Final Four from SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 because ALL of them have conf championship football games...Big 12 will be left out most years, hence their need to get to 12 teams...in 2 new TV markets.

Dude makes a lot of sense.

I live in Morgantown, WV... I have some connections to the Athletic Department at WVU and I follow the news out of WVU pretty closely.

I don't think the Big XII will expand. If they do expand, I do NOT think one of the schools will be the University of Cincinnati. The one school that seems to have some rumbling is UCF, but that is at least five years of sustained success away.

The B12 investigated UC. It is NOT happening. Period, end of story. If it were going to happen, it would have happened already.

But like I said at the top... The Big XII is not going to expand. They are in the same boat as the old Big East was, unable to poach any teams from another "Power" conference and with no teams below them that make any sense. And, at the invitation of any other "Power" conference, their teams will bolt without any hesitation. The B12 is dead-fricking-meat, and the members of that conference know it.

This post bears no resemblance to reality. Big 12 officials just recently stated they are more together than ever and the conference is doing fine.

It's interesting that Shad is making comments as the op suggests, but he isn't part of the playoff committee who will actually choose and they've said that the playoffs won't determine things like how many games conference teams must play--it will be the body of work that matters.

Of course since Shad works for the family of networks and they have large purse strings, they can help to make expansion happen if they really want it to be. The conference has never waivered from their stance that they will not expand.

(06-17-2014 09:28 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:31 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

On ESPN's College Football Live show today...topic of Big 12 expansion came up and ESPN's Joe Schad said these would be his top 2 teams for Big 12 additions:

Cincinnati
UCF

Schad predicts that after the new P5 Committee invites teams for the Final Four from SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 because ALL of them have conf championship football games...Big 12 will be left out most years, hence their need to get to 12 teams...in 2 new TV markets.

Dude makes a lot of sense.

I live in Morgantown, WV... I have some connections to the Athletic Department at WVU and I follow the news out of WVU pretty closely.

I don't think the Big XII will expand. If they do expand, I do NOT think one of the schools will be the University of Cincinnati. The one school that seems to have some rumbling is UCF, but that is at least five years of sustained success away.

The B12 investigated UC. It is NOT happening. Period, end of story. If it were going to happen, it would have happened already.

But like I said at the top... The Big XII is not going to expand. They are in the same boat as the old Big East was, unable to poach any teams from another "Power" conference and with no teams below them that make any sense. And, at the invitation of any other "Power" conference, their teams will bolt without any hesitation. The B12 is dead-fricking-meat, and the members of that conference know it.

This post bears no resemblance to reality. Big 12 officials just recently stated they are more together than ever and the conference is doing fine.

It's interesting that Shad is making comments as the op suggests, but he isn't part of the playoff committee who will actually choose and they've said that the playoffs won't determine things like how many games conference teams must play--it will be the body of work that matters.

Of course since Shad works for the family of networks and they have large purse strings, they can help to make expansion happen if they really want it to be. The conference has never waivered from their stance that they will not expand.

They just cannot get the schools that they really covet.

(06-17-2014 09:28 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:31 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

On ESPN's College Football Live show today...topic of Big 12 expansion came up and ESPN's Joe Schad said these would be his top 2 teams for Big 12 additions:

Cincinnati
UCF

Schad predicts that after the new P5 Committee invites teams for the Final Four from SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 because ALL of them have conf championship football games...Big 12 will be left out most years, hence their need to get to 12 teams...in 2 new TV markets.

Dude makes a lot of sense.

I live in Morgantown, WV... I have some connections to the Athletic Department at WVU and I follow the news out of WVU pretty closely.

I don't think the Big XII will expand. If they do expand, I do NOT think one of the schools will be the University of Cincinnati. The one school that seems to have some rumbling is UCF, but that is at least five years of sustained success away.

The B12 investigated UC. It is NOT happening. Period, end of story. If it were going to happen, it would have happened already.

But like I said at the top... The Big XII is not going to expand. They are in the same boat as the old Big East was, unable to poach any teams from another "Power" conference and with no teams below them that make any sense. And, at the invitation of any other "Power" conference, their teams will bolt without any hesitation. The B12 is dead-fricking-meat, and the members of that conference know it.

This post bears no resemblance to reality. Big 12 officials just recently stated they are more together than ever and the conference is doing fine.

It's interesting that Shad is making comments as the op suggests, but he isn't part of the playoff committee who will actually choose and they've said that the playoffs won't determine things like how many games conference teams must play--it will be the body of work that matters.

Of course since Shad works for the family of networks and they have large purse strings, they can help to make expansion happen if they really want it to be. The conference has never waivered from their stance that they will not expand.

Unless not having a Title Game hurts them in the selection for the CFP & if they make more $$$$ if they do expand with a Conference Title...never say never....

Here's a thought. Hmm, Mr. Aresco touts the accomplishments of the American in it's first year. He then suggests that the Conference is stable and requests a look in for upping the contract. ESPN agrees.

Once Mr. Aresco leaves the room, ESPN calls out the Dogs of War. ESPN; "Bring them to their knees!" Then all of a sudden you have Expansion in the news and teams from the American are once more fighting to get out and there's your instability once more.

Sorry Mr. Aresco, no price hike for you.

(06-17-2014 09:27 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I truly believe the NCAA is going to allow conferences to change the playoff format for the championship game but keep the requirement of 12 teams. Since the B12 is the only conference not at 12, why would the other P5's allow them to have a conference game since they had to expand to at least 12. If this scenario were to happen, the top two teams playing in the championship games at the end of the season will be getting all the attention. Trying to make the Championship games the first round of the play-offs.

What I would love to see but know it will never happen.

1. Add 7 teams to the 65. (Be glad to give your 7. The first five I that popped in my mind was BYU, CINCI, FRESNO, BOISE, UCF after that it is hard. ECU, UCONN, Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, etc)
2. Force ND into conference.
2. Create Eight 9 team conferences
3. Play the conference championship games the first weekend in Dec
4. Committee seeds 8 teams for the next weekend at higher seed site the next weekend.
5. Use current 4 team playoff scenario now in place.

Offer same model to G5.
Play the G5 final four game before the P5 3pm NYE and NYD
Have G5 play Friday Championship game and P5 play Monday Championship game

Eventually create G5 vs P5 championship game like the old NFL vs AFL. Be great for the weekend before the superbowl.

I'm coming around to think you are going to be right that the CCG will be deregulated but the requirement of 12 teams stays (possibly 11). I think the PAC wouldn't have expanded to 12 if there wasn't the requirement of getting to 12 schools to hold a CCG game. They would have only expanded to 11 (CU) and kept it at that.

Why be arbitrary? Let Notre Dame remain independent, and include the top 80 other schools based on average attendance. All current P5 schools are already in that group. The schools you would add, in order of attendance rank, are:

BYU
ECU
UCF
Fresno St
Navy
USF
Boise
Army
San Diego St
Air Force
Cincy
Hawaii
UConn
UT San Antonio
UTEP
Memphis

The good news in this arrangement is that all three service academies make the cut. The bad news is that somebody has to take Army and Navy. The problem for everybody is that they would have to take teams into their conference that they have already indicated they don't want to play with.

My arrangement:

PAC adds Hawaii, Fresno, San Diego and Boise.

Big 12 adds BYU, Air Force, UTEP, San Antonio, Memphis and Cincinnati.

B1G adds Army and Navy (football only).

SEC adds ECU and USF.

ACC adds UConn and UCF.

*********************************************************

Keep in mind, this is purely hypothetical, and won't happen in a million years.

OK, Houston fans. Let me have it.

(06-16-2014 11:06 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The Big XII is not going to expand. They are in the same boat as the old Big East was, unable to poach any teams from another "Power" conference and with no teams below them that make any sense. And, at the invitation of any other "Power" conference, their teams will bolt without any hesitation. The B12 is dead-fricking-meat, and the members of that conference know it.

The Big <12 of today has some HUGE advantages (relatively speaking) compared to the old Big East of 2004-2012. Namely, the presence of two absolutely indisputable A-list national name-brand football programs in OU and UT. Big East never had anything like that.

Big <12 will be a player for as long as both of those two programs are willing to remain a part of it.

I would add in a few more significant differences:

1. The Big 12 is an all-sport conference with every member playing all major sports. That was a big source of instability with the old Big East.

2. The Big 12 has conference revenue that is in line with the other conferences; the BE was at risk at being behind which created a revenue gradient encouraging instability.

3. The Big 12 is in a football talent rich area. Since football drives the bus, that was a disadvantage for the BE where you have to recruit other areas for talent.

4. The oil shale boom is bringing a ton of money into Texas/Oklahoma. Figuratively, you can almost imagine a pipeline from those deposits straight into the new stadiums around the conference. It's augmenting the already dramatically increased conference revenue. I really think that is a key background factor that those outside the region may not realize- there is a LOT of donor money in the conference right now.

Agree- it still comes down to UT and OU happiness, but right now there is no reason to think they are unhappy, especially since with their tier 3 deals, those two schools probably make more off of TV rights than any schools in the country.

And in that regard, that is probably the biggest reason the Big 12 will never expand, as expansion will almost certainly decrease revenues for those schools. With the conference as stable as it otherwise is, there's no point.

(06-17-2014 09:41 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 09:28 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:31 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

On ESPN's College Football Live show today...topic of Big 12 expansion came up and ESPN's Joe Schad said these would be his top 2 teams for Big 12 additions:

Cincinnati
UCF

Schad predicts that after the new P5 Committee invites teams for the Final Four from SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 because ALL of them have conf championship football games...Big 12 will be left out most years, hence their need to get to 12 teams...in 2 new TV markets.

Dude makes a lot of sense.

I live in Morgantown, WV... I have some connections to the Athletic Department at WVU and I follow the news out of WVU pretty closely.

I don't think the Big XII will expand. If they do expand, I do NOT think one of the schools will be the University of Cincinnati. The one school that seems to have some rumbling is UCF, but that is at least five years of sustained success away.

The B12 investigated UC. It is NOT happening. Period, end of story. If it were going to happen, it would have happened already.

But like I said at the top... The Big XII is not going to expand. They are in the same boat as the old Big East was, unable to poach any teams from another "Power" conference and with no teams below them that make any sense. And, at the invitation of any other "Power" conference, their teams will bolt without any hesitation. The B12 is dead-fricking-meat, and the members of that conference know it.

This post bears no resemblance to reality. Big 12 officials just recently stated they are more together than ever and the conference is doing fine.

It's interesting that Shad is making comments as the op suggests, but he isn't part of the playoff committee who will actually choose and they've said that the playoffs won't determine things like how many games conference teams must play--it will be the body of work that matters.

Of course since Shad works for the family of networks and they have large purse strings, they can help to make expansion happen if they really want it to be. The conference has never waivered from their stance that they will not expand.

Unless not having a Title Game hurts them in the selection for the CFP & if they make more $$$$ if they do expand with a Conference Title...never say never....

one can look at the teams in the top 4 of the final week of the season in the BCS standings from several years back until now and see that having a CCG really does not help and has often hurt teams towards getting in the top 4 or even the top 6

I realize the "bcs" is gone, but other rankings were the same

final week before bowl season 2013

1 Florida State 13-0
2 Auburn 12-1
3 Alabama 11-1
4 Michigan State 12-1
5 Stanford 11-2
6 Baylor 11-1
7 Ohio State 12-1
8 Missouri 11-2
9 South Carolina 10-2

so Alabama that did not play in a CCG is ahead of MSU that did

Ohio State was undefeated and ranked #2 the week before until they lost to MSU......so that cost the Big 10 a chance at a team in the MNC most likely and if MSU had not been 11-1 they would not have moved up nearly as high even with the CCG win

there are plenty of similar examples

(06-17-2014 09:41 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 09:28 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:31 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

On ESPN's College Football Live show today...topic of Big 12 expansion came up and ESPN's Joe Schad said these would be his top 2 teams for Big 12 additions:

Cincinnati
UCF

Schad predicts that after the new P5 Committee invites teams for the Final Four from SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 because ALL of them have conf championship football games...Big 12 will be left out most years, hence their need to get to 12 teams...in 2 new TV markets.

Dude makes a lot of sense.

I live in Morgantown, WV... I have some connections to the Athletic Department at WVU and I follow the news out of WVU pretty closely.

I don't think the Big XII will expand. If they do expand, I do NOT think one of the schools will be the University of Cincinnati. The one school that seems to have some rumbling is UCF, but that is at least five years of sustained success away.

The B12 investigated UC. It is NOT happening. Period, end of story. If it were going to happen, it would have happened already.

But like I said at the top... The Big XII is not going to expand. They are in the same boat as the old Big East was, unable to poach any teams from another "Power" conference and with no teams below them that make any sense. And, at the invitation of any other "Power" conference, their teams will bolt without any hesitation. The B12 is dead-fricking-meat, and the members of that conference know it.

This post bears no resemblance to reality. Big 12 officials just recently stated they are more together than ever and the conference is doing fine.

It's interesting that Shad is making comments as the op suggests, but he isn't part of the playoff committee who will actually choose and they've said that the playoffs won't determine things like how many games conference teams must play--it will be the body of work that matters.

Of course since Shad works for the family of networks and they have large purse strings, they can help to make expansion happen if they really want it to be. The conference has never waivered from their stance that they will not expand.

Unless not having a Title Game hurts them in the selection for the CFP & if they make more $$$$ if they do expand with a Conference Title...never say never....

I wouldn't say the Big 12 would never expand because even they don't say that.

The playoff committee isnt there to determine conference size though so its not going to penalize a conference for not playing a CCG. They cant force schools to alter their membership or pay structure and they certainly arent penalizing the leagues that wont play more than 8 conference games. if they do need a CCG game though, they will probably play one without expansion- August should tell them if that is possible. In the meantime several sports media expect OU or Baylor to make it to the playoffs this year.

(06-17-2014 10:04 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 09:41 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 09:28 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:31 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

On ESPN's College Football Live show today...topic of Big 12 expansion came up and ESPN's Joe Schad said these would be his top 2 teams for Big 12 additions:

Cincinnati
UCF

Schad predicts that after the new P5 Committee invites teams for the Final Four from SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 because ALL of them have conf championship football games...Big 12 will be left out most years, hence their need to get to 12 teams...in 2 new TV markets.

Dude makes a lot of sense.

I live in Morgantown, WV... I have some connections to the Athletic Department at WVU and I follow the news out of WVU pretty closely.

I don't think the Big XII will expand. If they do expand, I do NOT think one of the schools will be the University of Cincinnati. The one school that seems to have some rumbling is UCF, but that is at least five years of sustained success away.

The B12 investigated UC. It is NOT happening. Period, end of story. If it were going to happen, it would have happened already.

But like I said at the top... The Big XII is not going to expand. They are in the same boat as the old Big East was, unable to poach any teams from another "Power" conference and with no teams below them that make any sense. And, at the invitation of any other "Power" conference, their teams will bolt without any hesitation. The B12 is dead-fricking-meat, and the members of that conference know it.

This post bears no resemblance to reality. Big 12 officials just recently stated they are more together than ever and the conference is doing fine.

It's interesting that Shad is making comments as the op suggests, but he isn't part of the playoff committee who will actually choose and they've said that the playoffs won't determine things like how many games conference teams must play--it will be the body of work that matters.

Of course since Shad works for the family of networks and they have large purse strings, they can help to make expansion happen if they really want it to be. The conference has never waivered from their stance that they will not expand.

Unless not having a Title Game hurts them in the selection for the CFP & if they make more $$$$ if they do expand with a Conference Title...never say never....

one can look at the teams in the top 4 of the final week of the season in the BCS standings from several years back until now and see that having a CCG really does not help and has often hurt teams towards getting in the top 4 or even the top 6

I realize the "bcs" is gone, but other rankings were the same

final week before bowl season 2013

1 Florida State 13-0
2 Auburn 12-1
3 Alabama 11-1
4 Michigan State 12-1
5 Stanford 11-2
6 Baylor 11-1
7 Ohio State 12-1
8 Missouri 11-2
9 South Carolina 10-2

so Alabama that did not play in a CCG is ahead of MSU that did

Ohio State was undefeated and ranked #2 the week before until they lost to MSU......so that cost the Big 10 a chance at a team in the MNC most likely and if MSU had not been 11-1 they would not have moved up nearly as high even with the CCG win

there are plenty of similar examples

1. Don't think the Big XII is in any danger...making way to much $$$$$
2. Don't think the Big XII will expand.
3. Only gave reasons on why they "Might" do so....

(06-17-2014 01:28 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  I hope bearcatjerry is right. I don't want uc in the big twelve. At least the American still has a shred of geographical sense to it. Other than money, what's the point in uc or ucf in the big 12. UC has no historical or cultural ties to those schools (other than WVU of course), it makes no sense. ACC makes the most sense since that's where Pitt and UL are. American is the next best.

But of course that's not what college ball is about anymore so what do I know. Ill just keep fapping it to my old ncaa 14 custom ACC conference that includes WVU, UC, and UCONN while kicking Wake Forests undeserving ass out.

Love it.

I know our AD really likes UCF, and this was even before they won the Fiesta Bowl.

(06-17-2014 09:48 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  Here's a thought. Hmm, Mr. Aresco touts the accomplishments of the American in it's first year. He then suggests that the Conference is stable and requests a look in for upping the contract. ESPN agrees.

Once Mr. Aresco leaves the room, ESPN calls out the Dogs of War. ESPN; "Bring them to their knees!" Then all of a sudden you have Expansion in the news and teams from the American are once more fighting to get out and there's your instability once more.

Sorry Mr. Aresco, no price hike for you.

genius actually . ESPN just de-valued the AAC contract by throwing up that graphic.

(06-17-2014 09:27 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I truly believe the NCAA is going to allow conferences to change the playoff format for the championship game but keep the requirement of 12 teams. Since the B12 is the only conference not at 12, why would the other P5's allow them to have a conference game since they had to expand to at least 12. If this scenario were to happen, the top two teams playing in the championship games at the end of the season will be getting all the attention. Trying to make the Championship games the first round of the play-offs.

What I would love to see but know it will never happen.

1. Add 7 teams to the 65. (Be glad to give your 7. The first five I that popped in my mind was BYU, CINCI, FRESNO, BOISE, UCF after that it is hard. ECU, UCONN, Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, etc)
2. Force ND into conference.
2. Create Eight 9 team conferences
3. Play the conference championship games the first weekend in Dec
4. Committee seeds 8 teams for the next weekend at higher seed site the next weekend.
5. Use current 4 team playoff scenario now in place.

Offer same model to G5.
Play the G5 final four game before the P5 3pm NYE and NYD
Have G5 play Friday Championship game and P5 play Monday Championship game

Eventually create G5 vs P5 championship game like the old NFL vs AFL. Be great for the weekend before the superbowl.

2) Boo. Boring. "Borg-like". One size fits all...hiss.

3)-5) Neither basketball nor baseball requires conference champions only for playoffs. Why the insistence for same in some quarters in football?

(06-17-2014 10:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 09:27 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I truly believe the NCAA is going to allow conferences to change the playoff format for the championship game but keep the requirement of 12 teams. Since the B12 is the only conference not at 12, why would the other P5's allow them to have a conference game since they had to expand to at least 12. If this scenario were to happen, the top two teams playing in the championship games at the end of the season will be getting all the attention. Trying to make the Championship games the first round of the play-offs.

What I would love to see but know it will never happen.

1. Add 7 teams to the 65. (Be glad to give your 7. The first five I that popped in my mind was BYU, CINCI, FRESNO, BOISE, UCF after that it is hard. ECU, UCONN, Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, etc)
2. Force ND into conference.
2. Create Eight 9 team conferences
3. Play the conference championship games the first weekend in Dec
4. Committee seeds 8 teams for the next weekend at higher seed site the next weekend.
5. Use current 4 team playoff scenario now in place.

Offer same model to G5.
Play the G5 final four game before the P5 3pm NYE and NYD
Have G5 play Friday Championship game and P5 play Monday Championship game

Eventually create G5 vs P5 championship game like the old NFL vs AFL. Be great for the weekend before the superbowl.

2) Boo. Boring. "Borg-like". One size fits all...hiss.

3)-5) Neither basketball nor baseball requires conference champions only for playoffs. Why the insistence for same in some quarters in football?

Because it's impossible to know which are the four (or even eight) best teams without a playoff large enough to include every team good enough to win the tournament. Baseball and basketball tourneys are big enough to do that. So if you have to have some basis for eliminating teams capable of winning it all, the conference races are the only logical basis.

(06-17-2014 10:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 09:27 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I truly believe the NCAA is going to allow conferences to change the playoff format for the championship game but keep the requirement of 12 teams. Since the B12 is the only conference not at 12, why would the other P5's allow them to have a conference game since they had to expand to at least 12. If this scenario were to happen, the top two teams playing in the championship games at the end of the season will be getting all the attention. Trying to make the Championship games the first round of the play-offs.

What I would love to see but know it will never happen.

1. Add 7 teams to the 65. (Be glad to give your 7. The first five I that popped in my mind was BYU, CINCI, FRESNO, BOISE, UCF after that it is hard. ECU, UCONN, Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, etc)
2. Force ND into conference.
2. Create Eight 9 team conferences
3. Play the conference championship games the first weekend in Dec
4. Committee seeds 8 teams for the next weekend at higher seed site the next weekend.
5. Use current 4 team playoff scenario now in place.

Offer same model to G5.
Play the G5 final four game before the P5 3pm NYE and NYD
Have G5 play Friday Championship game and P5 play Monday Championship game

Eventually create G5 vs P5 championship game like the old NFL vs AFL. Be great for the weekend before the superbowl.

2) Boo. Boring. "Borg-like". One size fits all...hiss.

3)-5) Neither basketball nor baseball requires conference champions only for playoffs. Why the insistence for same in some quarters in football?

the answer is in the very last line of their statement

the desire for the G5 to magically get credibility that they can't earn on their won

a G5/P5 championship......oh yea people are really beating down the door to see an 8-6 G5 "champion" to play a 14-0 P5 champion

always when the "force teams into a conference" or "all teams in a conference with an equal number of teams" "idea" (idea used loosely) is brought up it is starting to head to the next ridiculous idea of a playoff that involves every conference winner getting a spot automatically and going from there

I give them credit for trying to sneak in that type of idea in a different (yet more asinine) fashion with the G5/P5 "final showdown".....that would be a much better lead up to the "pro bowl" instead of the superbowl then people can tune it out just like the probowl

(06-16-2014 11:37 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:31 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

On ESPN's College Football Live show today...topic of Big 12 expansion came up and ESPN's Joe Schad said these would be his top 2 teams for Big 12 additions:

Cincinnati
UCF

Schad predicts that after the new P5 Committee invites teams for the Final Four from SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 because ALL of them have conf championship football games...Big 12 will be left out most years, hence their need to get to 12 teams...in 2 new TV markets.

Dude makes a lot of sense.

I live in Morgantown, WV... I have some connections to the Athletic Department at WVU and I follow the news out of WVU pretty closely.

I don't think the Big XII will expand. If they do expand, I do NOT think one of the schools will be the University of Cincinnati. The one school that seems to have some rumbling is UCF, but that is at least five years of sustained success away.

The B12 investigated UC. It is NOT happening. Period, end of story. If it were going to happen, it would have happened already.

But like I said at the top... The Big XII is not going to expand. They are in the same boat as the old Big East was, unable to poach any teams from another "Power" conference and with no teams below them that make any sense. And, at the invitation of any other "Power" conference, their teams will bolt without any hesitation. The B12 is dead-fricking-meat, and the members of that conference know it.

I agree with you Jerry on the B12 not adding anyone... I also believe however, this league (AAC) has more programs who can help elevate the B12 in many ways.

Hell, the B12 would be better of if they could some how kick Baylor/Waco and Tortilla tech/Lubbock out and invite 4-6 AAC bigger market programs and call it a day, IMHO.

The b12 will expand eventually. This could be because of attrition because of added value or potentially votes as the balance of power lies within the b1g etc. Its a matter of how fast they can convince their partners to give up the dollars. Another wild card is some of the private schools drop out. Nobody was moving until this goes through especially with the law suit. The look in is 2017 and I expect real discussions to start in 2016.


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(06-17-2014 10:17 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 09:48 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  Here's a thought. Hmm, Mr. Aresco touts the accomplishments of the American in it's first year. He then suggests that the Conference is stable and requests a look in for upping the contract. ESPN agrees.

Once Mr. Aresco leaves the room, ESPN calls out the Dogs of War. ESPN; "Bring them to their knees!" Then all of a sudden you have Expansion in the news and teams from the American are once more fighting to get out and there's your instability once more.

Sorry Mr. Aresco, no price hike for you.

genius actually . ESPN just de-valued the AAC contract by throwing up that graphic.

Contract up for renewal?

(06-17-2014 10:43 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 11:37 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 10:31 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

On ESPN's College Football Live show today...topic of Big 12 expansion came up and ESPN's Joe Schad said these would be his top 2 teams for Big 12 additions:

Cincinnati
UCF

Schad predicts that after the new P5 Committee invites teams for the Final Four from SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 because ALL of them have conf championship football games...Big 12 will be left out most years, hence their need to get to 12 teams...in 2 new TV markets.

Dude makes a lot of sense.

I live in Morgantown, WV... I have some connections to the Athletic Department at WVU and I follow the news out of WVU pretty closely.

I don't think the Big XII will expand. If they do expand, I do NOT think one of the schools will be the University of Cincinnati. The one school that seems to have some rumbling is UCF, but that is at least five years of sustained success away.

The B12 investigated UC. It is NOT happening. Period, end of story. If it were going to happen, it would have happened already.

But like I said at the top... The Big XII is not going to expand. They are in the same boat as the old Big East was, unable to poach any teams from another "Power" conference and with no teams below them that make any sense. And, at the invitation of any other "Power" conference, their teams will bolt without any hesitation. The B12 is dead-fricking-meat, and the members of that conference know it.

I agree with you Jerry on the B12 not adding anyone... I also believe however, this league (AAC) has more programs who can help elevate the B12 in many ways.

Hell, the B12 would be better of if they could some how kick Baylor/Waco and Tortilla tech/Lubbock out and invite 4-6 AAC bigger market programs and call it a day, IMHO.

The b12 will expand eventually. This could be because of attrition because of added value or potentially votes as the balance of power lies within the b1g etc. Its a matter of how fast they can convince their partners to give up the dollars. Another wild card is some of the private schools drop out. Nobody was moving until this goes through especially with the law suit. The look in is 2017 and I expect real discussions to start in 2016.


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wow there are a lot of crack smokers posting on the forum today

you really think that TCU climbed all the way up from being in the WAC to get back into a power conference and spent 150 million + on their stajium so they could drop out of the Big 12

you really think that Baylor is spending 250 million on a stajium so they can drop out of the Big 12

they might as well shut down the universities if they do that because they will not have a financial supporter or donor left or an alumni that would claim them

and what "look in" are you talking about?