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RE: Will next year's team be better?
(06-16-2014 08:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 08:04 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I'm hoping for a regression to JP's first season as a coach. Where he had a few scraps to rely on but performed well by having game plans that were more to par with his teams ability. Not with where Espn reporters were saying we should be 6 months out with a 4 guard lineup. I think we have the front line for a deep run. Questions: will the guards respect the bigs seniority & talent & feed them the ball? Can Our guards knock down crucial shots on a consistent bases? Will JP start to put as much time in to game planning as he does recruiting? Can JP keep the local products focused & off the street & put an end to entourages? Rebounding? Foul shooting? Defense? A lot of dissappointing questions to be asking due to last seasons performance.

Looking at the schedule I feel sorry for season ticket holders, as college basketball seems to be shifting to nuetral site tourneys for its ooc schedules. But that is what it is.

I've learned, in sports, deep runs from teams you least suspect.

The one knock against Pastner; which you were astute enough to point out, is that he spends every minute on recruiting and no time at all on game planning. Hopefully, he will spend 5 minutes per week on game planning instead of spending all his time on recruiting during practice every day.

Also an astute observation about needing to keep our players "off the streets." Our players spent so much time "on the streets" that barely any of them passed any courses.

Spot on and observant post.
ROFLMAO. Spot on and welcome back old friend.
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(06-15-2014 10:51 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  I'm thinking more and more that we will be better. I like our bigs and our wing players. I'm hearing we have a really good shooter, and I think Markel brings some real toughness.

Defense will still be an issue, I think. This team could likely be a better outside shooting team (Pookie, King, Woodson most notably). Will most likely be as good if not better on the boards (We should play more a traditional 3 man in King, who loves to board; we bring back our entire front court rotation, and add Hawkins).

The questions will be: how will our PG play on offense progress, and will the loss of the 4 senior guards hinder an already lackluster defense? I think a lot rides on how ready our newcomer guards are to compete.
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(06-15-2014 11:28 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  I think is has more to do with coaching than the players. We’ve had good players for the past several years and many of them have been regulated to water boy status.

It was refreshing watching Spurs’ coach Gregg Popovich utilize his role players to smoke the Heat 4-1, and I hope Josh was watching and taking notes. Whereas POP trusted Leonard (finals MVP) to lead a team filled with HOF players, I doubt Josh would have trusted him at all.

Unless this attitude changes I see the same ole same old.

This year will certainly be telling. A lot of the fans who get so defensive over Pastner seem to displace a lot of criticism onto the 2010 recruiting class. Well, this year they're all gone, so we can see whether that class was a bust, or whether Pastner is perhaps not capable of making it happen with ANY class.
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(06-16-2014 08:42 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  You don't lose the experience and talent we lost and get better, unless the replacements are on par.

I have a hard time believing that any of the incoming guards will be better than Joe, Geron, or Dixon. I think CC started to become such a one dimensional player his last year that he was a liability (how he got as many minutes as he did makes me SMH).

It would be a pleasant surprise to me if we end up better than last year's squad.

Agree about CC. Saw the quote the other day where Josh was still talking about CC's "high basketball IQ...", I think he regressed every year and was a shadow of himself by the time he was a senior.
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(06-16-2014 09:05 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(06-15-2014 10:51 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  I'm thinking more and more that we will be better. I like our bigs and our wing players. I'm hearing we have a really good shooter, and I think Markel brings some real toughness.

Defense will still be an issue, I think. This team could likely be a better outside shooting team (Pookie, King, Woodson most notably). Will most likely be as good if not better on the boards (We should play more a traditional 3 man in King, who loves to board; we bring back our entire front court rotation, and add Hawkins).

The questions will be: how will our PG play on offense progress, and will the loss of the 4 senior guards hinder an already lackluster defense? I think a lot rides on how ready our newcomer guards are to compete.

I was disappointed with our team defense last year, especially in allowing guards to slash on us. I am hopeful that defense, not offense, will determine playing time for our guards.
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(06-16-2014 09:16 AM)UPStiger Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 08:42 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  You don't lose the experience and talent we lost and get better, unless the replacements are on par.

I have a hard time believing that any of the incoming guards will be better than Joe, Geron, or Dixon. I think CC started to become such a one dimensional player his last year that he was a liability (how he got as many minutes as he did makes me SMH).

It would be a pleasant surprise to me if we end up better than last year's squad.

Agree about CC. Saw the quote the other day where Josh was still talking about CC's "high basketball IQ...", I think he regressed every year and was a shadow of himself by the time he was a senior.

CC improved every season, and then regressed as a senior. His numbers are evidence. His two point attempts decrease 35% from junior to senior, and his FT attempts in those year fall 50%. Additionally, his assist % falls as well, because Dixon is spending his time at the 1.

The guy put on 20 lbs over the course of his career, and while I usually argue that folks are overly critical of his defense, his foot speed was certainly nothing to write home about.
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(06-16-2014 09:19 AM)holyterror Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 09:05 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(06-15-2014 10:51 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  I'm thinking more and more that we will be better. I like our bigs and our wing players. I'm hearing we have a really good shooter, and I think Markel brings some real toughness.

Defense will still be an issue, I think. This team could likely be a better outside shooting team (Pookie, King, Woodson most notably). Will most likely be as good if not better on the boards (We should play more a traditional 3 man in King, who loves to board; we bring back our entire front court rotation, and add Hawkins).

The questions will be: how will our PG play on offense progress, and will the loss of the 4 senior guards hinder an already lackluster defense? I think a lot rides on how ready our newcomer guards are to compete.

I was disappointed with our team defense last year, especially in allowing guards to slash on us. I am hopeful that defense, not offense, will determine playing time for our guards.

We still gotta score. I hope coach plays the best players, not the players that excel at merely one aspect of the game. The coachs' jobs are to get EVERY player invested on the defensive end, not to forsake the ones that aren't to the bench.
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(06-15-2014 10:51 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  I'm thinking more and more that we will be better. I like our bigs and our wing players. I'm hearing we have a really good shooter, and I think Markel brings some real toughness.

Markel will have to grow in that toughness. Aki was on the radio last week and mentioned this specifically when it comes to Markel. When it's good, there is no one tougher, but if it's bad he doesn't recover as quick. so expect the hook on Markel if it goes bad. He will have to grow into that mindset. Everyone expects that he will.
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I don't agree that this year is about next year. Every year has its own personality, and its own goals and dreams.

OTOH, I also don't think it's a crime to have a down year. The past 4 seasons have not been the abject failure that some want to claim. We missed expectations 2 of the past 3 years, but we still got to the Dance and won a game the last 2 years. And we won 24-31 games each year. Not exactly the Chicago Cubs, lol.

I would like us to win the NC every year, but since we never have, I'm mature enough not to bash the coaches and players if we don't. Maybe we underachieved a bit. Maybe the players we got weren't as good as we thought. Maybe this year will give us a clue about that.

And don't start any crap with me about not aiming high enough. I just try to enjoy every game every season for what it is, and let the guys who pay the salaries decide when to dump the coach, rather than whining and moaning like a spoiled brat on some message board, like I'm entitled to something, and ruining the ability for anybody to rationally discuss Tiger sports.
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RE: Will next year's team be better?
I personally don't see that our basketball will improve this coming season. I expect that by the end of the season, we will be excited if they are an NIT team. Why? No guard experience, two talented big men (Nichols and Goodwin) who showed flashes of brilliance, but were also inconsistent from game to game. King got very few minutes. I think that he has great potential, but he has to do it with more playing time. Somebody will have to step up and be the floor leader we need.

With this many new players, I have to think that this coming year is a rebuilding year. I hope that the team surprises me.
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(06-16-2014 08:45 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 08:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 08:04 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I'm hoping for a regression to JP's first season as a coach. Where he had a few scraps to rely on but performed well by having game plans that were more to par with his teams ability. Not with where Espn reporters were saying we should be 6 months out with a 4 guard lineup. I think we have the front line for a deep run. Questions: will the guards respect the bigs seniority & talent & feed them the ball? Can Our guards knock down crucial shots on a consistent bases? Will JP start to put as much time in to game planning as he does recruiting? Can JP keep the local products focused & off the street & put an end to entourages? Rebounding? Foul shooting? Defense? A lot of dissappointing questions to be asking due to last seasons performance.

Looking at the schedule I feel sorry for season ticket holders, as college basketball seems to be shifting to nuetral site tourneys for its ooc schedules. But that is what it is.

I've learned, in sports, deep runs from teams you least suspect.

The one knock against Pastner; which you were astute enough to point out, is that he spends every minute on recruiting and no time at all on game planning. Hopefully, he will spend 5 minutes per week on game planning instead of spending all his time on recruiting during practice every day.

Also an astute observation about needing to keep our players "off the streets." Our players spent so much time "on the streets" that barely any of them passed any courses.

Spot on and observant post.
ROFLMAO. Spot on and welcome back old friend.

03-lmfao Awesome post, that was brilliant.
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(06-16-2014 09:30 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I personally don't see that our basketball will improve this coming season. I expect that by the end of the season, we will be excited if they are an NIT team. Why? No guard experience, two talented big men (Nichols and Goodwin) who showed flashes of brilliance, but were also inconsistent from game to game. King got very few minutes. I think that he has great potential, but he has to do it with more playing time. Somebody will have to step up and be the floor leader we need.

With this many new players, I have to think that this coming year is a rebuilding year. I hope that the team surprises me.

Agree. Pretty much my expectations, too.
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(06-16-2014 08:42 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  You don't lose the experience and talent we lost and get better, unless the replacements are on par.

I have a hard time believing that any of the incoming guards will be better than Joe, Geron, or Dixon. I think CC started to become such a one dimensional player his last year that he was a liability (how he got as many minutes as he did makes me SMH).

It would be a pleasant surprise to me if we end up better than last year's squad.

I don't either except when you look at putting the ball in the basket and perimeter defense. JJ and Geron had horrible seasons shooting the ball and the new rules hurt everyone defensively. I can see the perimeter defense improving if Pastner gets the guards to play more passive defense.

I fully believe that the reason why Cal's teams were so good defensively, is because his philosophy was for the guards to avoid gambling and to keep everything in front of them.

I feel bad for Dixon and Geron. They spent so much time trying to avoid touching players.
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We will play better than some teams and not as good as others on any given day. Can't wait to see all our new players, how they gel and our new coaches in action. la lala lala 02-13-banana lala lala lala
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I don't see how we can be better, but I've been surprised before.
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(06-16-2014 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't agree that this year is about next year. Every year has its own personality, and its own goals and dreams.

OTOH, I also don't think it's a crime to have a down year. The past 4 seasons have not been the abject failure that some want to claim. We missed expectations 2 of the past 3 years, but we still got to the Dance and won a game the last 2 years. And we won 24-31 games each year. Not exactly the Chicago Cubs, lol.

I would like us to win the NC every year, but since we never have, I'm mature enough not to bash the coaches and players if we don't. Maybe we underachieved a bit. Maybe the players we got weren't as good as we thought. Maybe this year will give us a clue about that.

And don't start any crap with me about not aiming high enough. I just try to enjoy every game every season for what it is, and let the guys who pay the salaries decide when to dump the coach, rather than whining and moaning like a spoiled brat on some message board, like I'm entitled to something, and ruining the ability for anybody to rationally discuss Tiger sports.
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(06-16-2014 10:05 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 08:45 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 08:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 08:04 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I'm hoping for a regression to JP's first season as a coach. Where he had a few scraps to rely on but performed well by having game plans that were more to par with his teams ability. Not with where Espn reporters were saying we should be 6 months out with a 4 guard lineup. I think we have the front line for a deep run. Questions: will the guards respect the bigs seniority & talent & feed them the ball? Can Our guards knock down crucial shots on a consistent bases? Will JP start to put as much time in to game planning as he does recruiting? Can JP keep the local products focused & off the street & put an end to entourages? Rebounding? Foul shooting? Defense? A lot of dissappointing questions to be asking due to last seasons performance.

Looking at the schedule I feel sorry for season ticket holders, as college basketball seems to be shifting to nuetral site tourneys for its ooc schedules. But that is what it is.

I've learned, in sports, deep runs from teams you least suspect.

The one knock against Pastner; which you were astute enough to point out, is that he spends every minute on recruiting and no time at all on game planning. Hopefully, he will spend 5 minutes per week on game planning instead of spending all his time on recruiting during practice every day.

Also an astute observation about needing to keep our players "off the streets." Our players spent so much time "on the streets" that barely any of them passed any courses.

Spot on and observant post.
ROFLMAO. Spot on and welcome back old friend.

03-lmfao Awesome post, that was brilliant.

Our fans are so funny sometimes. Next thing you know, someone will say that Frank Haith was a great hire.
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(06-16-2014 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't agree that this year is about next year. Every year has its own personality, and its own goals and dreams.

OTOH, I also don't think it's a crime to have a down year.

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Concur.

Teams all have up and down years. I expect us to be down, not due to talent issues, but rather lack of experience at the guard spots.

I expect this team to get better each game and be a borderline NCAA team when the dust settles. If we get in, great, not bad for a year we are replacing every minute at the 1 and 2. Every minute. Not replacing starters, replacing the entire guard rotation. That is a steep order.

Still, I'd imagine we'll play hard and have a fun team to watch.

Every Tigers team that has given me what they had consistently and without nonsense has been loved, damn the results. As a process guy I can appreciate a hard fought 18-14 year… as long as it is in service to a big followup year 03-wink
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This is one of the best times of the year--everything's possible. I'm going with the future behind door #1. Who cares how many eggs don't hatch?! The chickens are counted and crowing, baby.

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