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2 stories re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey?
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RE: Geoff story re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey
And away we go. Can't wait for this response.
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RE: Geoff story re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey
The other one regarding how Rudd was actually selected was a more interesting & important story, imo.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...udd-to-of/
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RE: Geoff story re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey
(06-16-2014 09:15 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  The other one regarding how Rudd was actually selected was a more interesting & important story, imo.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...udd-to-of/

He had the heavy hitters lined up. With the backers he has, I have to believe he was the best man for the job.
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RE: Geoff story re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey
(06-16-2014 09:15 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  The other one regarding how Rudd was actually selected was a more interesting & important story, imo.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...udd-to-of/

Agree. Shows that Rudd had unprecedented support from all quarters. Even reprints 24 pages of emails between the main players, during the hiring process.
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RE: Geoff story re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey
(06-16-2014 10:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 09:15 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  The other one regarding how Rudd was actually selected was a more interesting & important story, imo.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...udd-to-of/

Agree. Shows that Rudd had unprecedented support from all quarters. Even reprints 24 pages of emails between the main players, during the hiring process.

Reading the comments it appears TG4 may be back on board with the Tigers!! Says he bought 6 season tickets.
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RE: Geoff story re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey
(06-16-2014 10:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 09:15 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  The other one regarding how Rudd was actually selected was a more interesting & important story, imo.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...udd-to-of/

Agree. Shows that Rudd had unprecedented support from all quarters. Even reprints 24 pages of emails between the main players, during the hiring process.

The emails were more interesting than the article itself to me, and in my opinion tell a story that's more important than "business leaders wanted Rudd."

It appears to me that Guy Bailey was offered the job first by TBR, regardless of the opinions given (perhaps in spite of them?), and then when he had already accepted the presidency at another school, they moved on to Rudd.

For what it's worth, according to the rumor mill, the woman at Arkansas (Sharon Gaber) was also offered, but there was an issue regarding her contract buyout. So if (mind you, a BIG if) that's true, that would have made Rudd the 3rd choice.

As far as University support goes, that's much ado about nothing. They're all the higher-ups who would like to keep their $200-300k a year positions once new leadership came in, since most university presidents bring in their own people. One of the people who expressed support for Rudd got an appointment to a judgeship during Brad Martin's tenure as president. Take that for what it's worth as well.

The emails from Gary Shorb, who was CEO of Methodist until last month, imply that he wasn't necessarily on board with Rudd at first, since Morgan's response to Shorb, the governor, and a couple of others is that his email voicing support for Rudd was a completely different tone from prior conversations.

The most interesting part to me is that Shorb's email expressing the change of heart even went as far as to imply that if the TBR didn't pick Rudd, that the U of M would start looking further into developing their own independent board, which prompted further discussion between Shorb & Morgan, with Morgan filling in the governor as conversations occurred.

It looks like John Morgan had already reached out to Guy Bailey that same day about the position, sending him the benefits summary,etc.
If the rumor mill is to be believed (again, take it with a grain of salt), then the TBR might have reached out to the woman at Arkansas after that.

THEN, 2 days later the press release drafts are sent out regarding Rudd's selection (at the very least after Bailey turned it down).

I think these emails raise more questions than answers...

1. Was the TBR trying to select someone who would be a leader with less local business backing to keep the U of M "in its place?"
2. Or, is the larger issue about how much power one person has over the U of M, and how that will affect our future when the governor is no longer a buddy.

Perhaps once Haslam is out, the U of M will push harder for an independent board - hopefully that will be the case.
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RE: 2 stories re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey?
(06-16-2014 11:13 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 10:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 09:15 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  The other one regarding how Rudd was actually selected was a more interesting & important story, imo.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...udd-to-of/

Agree. Shows that Rudd had unprecedented support from all quarters. Even reprints 24 pages of emails between the main players, during the hiring process.

The emails were more interesting than the article itself to me, and in my opinion tell a story that's more important than "business leaders wanted Rudd."

It appears to me that Guy Bailey was offered the job first by TBR, regardless of the opinions given (perhaps in spite of them?), and then when he had already accepted the presidency at another school, they moved on to Rudd.

For what it's worth, according to the rumor mill, the woman at Arkansas (Sharon Gaber) was also offered, but there was an issue regarding her contract buyout. So if (mind you, a BIG if) that's true, that would have made Rudd the 3rd choice.

As far as University support goes, that's much ado about nothing. They're all the higher-ups who would like to keep their $200-300k a year positions once new leadership came in, since most university presidents bring in their own people. One of the people who expressed support for Rudd got an appointment to a judgeship during Brad Martin's tenure as president. Take that for what it's worth as well.

The emails from Gary Shorb, who was CEO of Methodist until last month, imply that he wasn't necessarily on board with Rudd at first, since Morgan's response to Shorb, the governor, and a couple of others is that his email voicing support for Rudd was a completely different tone from prior conversations.

The most interesting part to me is that Shorb's email expressing the change of heart even went as far as to imply that if the TBR didn't pick Rudd, that the U of M would start looking further into developing their own independent board, which prompted further discussion between Shorb & Morgan, with Morgan filling in the governor as conversations occurred.

It looks like John Morgan had already reached out to Guy Bailey that same day about the position, sending him the benefits summary,etc.
If the rumor mill is to be believed (again, take it with a grain of salt), then the TBR might have reached out to the woman at Arkansas after that.

THEN, 2 days later the press release drafts are sent out regarding Rudd's selection (at the very least after Bailey turned it down).

I think these emails raise more questions than answers...

1. Was the TBR trying to select someone who would be a leader with less local business backing to keep the U of M "in its place?"
2. Or, is the larger issue about how much power one person has over the U of M, and how that will affect our future when the governor is no longer a buddy.

Perhaps once Haslam is out, the U of M will push harder for an independent board - hopefully that will be the case.

Terrific post.
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RE: 2 stories re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey?
Not sure how anyone could get anything sinister out of these communications.

Several here argued with me when I sid GB was getting serious looks. What I did not know was that the money people were lined up behind Rudd so strongly. I know several people on the leadership team and knew they were about 80% on board with Rudd.

For what its worth, GB did not choose another college over Memphis. Just like the other two who withdrew from the search process, GB took the other job when it was clear he did not have the support to get the job. The only reason the Chancellor made the call to GB was that he thought there was support from the leadership committee. He did the same with Rudd. His purpose was to see who was committeed "if" he made the offer. Works better that way if you want to avoid public humiliation. Also don't forget, GB missed out on several jobs at universities close to or lower ranked than us prior to apply for our job.

Shorb liked GB. But once he sought the counsel of the remaining BOV members and the leadership team he saw the hard lean was to Rudd. Once the communication was cleaned up between Morgan and Shorb the decision was made.

This selection was done the right way. The University is a very important and growing part of the city and region. The major players were included and their message was clear, Rudd is our guy and we will back him with our money and clout. How stupid would our chancellor, Martin and Leadrship Team have been to go against that kind of support?

Also more clear than ever is the fact that Rudd has been running the University for the past year. Martin got a lot of credit, and he did some great things, but it has been Rudd who was handed a ticking time bomb and turned it into a July 4th celebration.

He also appears to be much more supportive of sports than many here thought. No OCS coming anytime soon but he understands sports metrics.

Now it is up to Rudd to detrmine how he will be viewed.
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RE: 2 stories re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey?
(06-16-2014 12:25 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Not sure how anyone could get anything sinister out of these communications.

Several here argued with me when I sid GB was getting serious looks. What I did not know was that the money people were lined up behind Rudd so strongly. I know several people on the leadership team and knew they were about 80% on board with Rudd.

For what its worth, GB did not choose another college over Memphis. Just like the other two who withdrew from the search process, GB took the other job when it was clear he did not have the support to get the job. The only reason the Chancellor made the call to GB was that he thought there was support from the leadership committee. He did the same with Rudd. His purpose was to see who was committeed "if" he made the offer. Works better that way if you want to avoid public humiliation. Also don't forget, GB missed out on several jobs at universities close to or lower ranked than us prior to apply for our job.

Shorb liked GB. But once he sought the counsel of the remaining BOV members and the leadership team he saw the hard lean was to Rudd. Once the communication was cleaned up between Morgan and Shorb the decision was made.

This selection was done the right way. The University is a very important and growing part of the city and region. The major players were included and their message was clear, Rudd is our guy and we will back him with our money and clout. How stupid would our chancellor, Martin and Leadrship Team have been to go against that kind of support?

Also more clear than ever is the fact that Rudd has been running the University for the past year. Martin got a lot of credit, and he did some great things, but it has been Rudd who was handed a ticking time bomb and turned it into a July 4th celebration.

He also appears to be much more supportive of sports than many here thought. No OCS coming anytime soon but he understands sports metrics.

Now it is up to Rudd to detrmine how he will be viewed.

Thanks. That seems to make more sense than the previous post which, although thoughtful, just takes the emails at face value, with no context or additional info.

Either way, doesn't seem important enough for me to read the 24 pages of emails, lol.
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RE: 2 stories re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey?
(06-16-2014 10:45 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 10:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 09:15 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  The other one regarding how Rudd was actually selected was a more interesting & important story, imo.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...udd-to-of/

Agree. Shows that Rudd had unprecedented support from all quarters. Even reprints 24 pages of emails between the main players, during the hiring process.

Reading the comments it appears TG4 may be back on board with the Tigers!! Says he bought 6 season tickets.

TG has always been on board. He just recognizes chicken salad from chicken ****.
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RE: 2 stories re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey?
(06-16-2014 01:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 12:25 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Not sure how anyone could get anything sinister out of these communications.

Several here argued with me when I sid GB was getting serious looks. What I did not know was that the money people were lined up behind Rudd so strongly. I know several people on the leadership team and knew they were about 80% on board with Rudd.

For what its worth, GB did not choose another college over Memphis. Just like the other two who withdrew from the search process, GB took the other job when it was clear he did not have the support to get the job. The only reason the Chancellor made the call to GB was that he thought there was support from the leadership committee. He did the same with Rudd. His purpose was to see who was committeed "if" he made the offer. Works better that way if you want to avoid public humiliation. Also don't forget, GB missed out on several jobs at universities close to or lower ranked than us prior to apply for our job.

Shorb liked GB. But once he sought the counsel of the remaining BOV members and the leadership team he saw the hard lean was to Rudd. Once the communication was cleaned up between Morgan and Shorb the decision was made.

This selection was done the right way. The University is a very important and growing part of the city and region. The major players were included and their message was clear, Rudd is our guy and we will back him with our money and clout. How stupid would our chancellor, Martin and Leadrship Team have been to go against that kind of support?

Also more clear than ever is the fact that Rudd has been running the University for the past year. Martin got a lot of credit, and he did some great things, but it has been Rudd who was handed a ticking time bomb and turned it into a July 4th celebration.

He also appears to be much more supportive of sports than many here thought. No OCS coming anytime soon but he understands sports metrics.

Now it is up to Rudd to detrmine how he will be viewed.

Thanks. That seems to make more sense than the previous post which, although thoughtful, just takes the emails at face value, with no context or additional info.

Either way, doesn't seem important enough for me to read the 24 pages of emails, lol.

I read them all because I didnt trust the interpretation plus there were some things I knew that didn't mesh with the post.

Nothing against the author, I think he just didn't have the back story to make another call.
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(06-16-2014 04:03 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 10:45 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 10:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 09:15 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  The other one regarding how Rudd was actually selected was a more interesting & important story, imo.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...udd-to-of/

Agree. Shows that Rudd had unprecedented support from all quarters. Even reprints 24 pages of emails between the main players, during the hiring process.

Reading the comments it appears TG4 may be back on board with the Tigers!! Says he bought 6 season tickets.

TG has always been on board. He just recognizes chicken salad from chicken ****.

Yep and Uh-oh.
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RE: 2 stories re new Pres...GA, do you think you were more wrong about RC or Guy Bailey?
(06-16-2014 09:34 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 09:15 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  The other one regarding how Rudd was actually selected was a more interesting & important story, imo.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...udd-to-of/

He had the heavy hitters lined up. With the backers he has, I have to believe he was the best man for the job.

Yes he IS the best man for the job. Count on it.
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