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It may have been shown that ND had no business playing for a NC that season but they did make it there.
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(06-14-2014 08:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It may have been shown that ND had no business playing for a NC that season but they did make it there.

I thought you could argue that they overachieved there.
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(06-13-2014 01:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 11:15 AM)ken d Wrote:  Which P5 schools do you think have underachieved on the field over the past four seasons? And by underachieved I don't just mean the ones with the worst record. I mean teams that should have done better given the talent they had available to them.

Let's rank them 1-5. Your rationale would be nice, too.

UNC - the talent has been there as the NFL draft has shown

LSU - as much talent as anywhere in the country

Texas - absolutely no reason they should have had the struggles they have had

Talk about a tough crowd! LSU was 44-9 during that period, playing in the same division with Alabama and Auburn. Like you said about Clemson, if that's underachieving, sign me up.
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(06-14-2014 12:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-14-2014 08:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It may have been shown that ND had no business playing for a NC that season but they did make it there.

I thought you could argue that they overachieved there.

Certainly
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What about overachieving P5 teams recently? I'd argue the following teams overachieve (at least in the last decade or so) considering their disadvantages:

1. Stanford. They don't have the luxury of letting in guys who can barely read. Have been able to stay elite despite losing the best coach/quarterback combo of this generation.
2. Vanderbilt- Same disadvantage as Stanford with stringent academics. Vandy has pulled off a few big upsets and has remained strinkingly competitive in the land of college football.
3. Oregon State- While not great, they have to compete in a talent depleted state against the Ducks who are funded by a billionaire. The Beavers have been able to pull off major upsets and beat very good teams when there really isn't much differentiating them from being like Washington State.
4. Wisconsin- Nothing special about recruiting in the state of Wisconsin but they're consistently a top 10 team. Is there really a striking difference between them and Illinois or Indiana from a resources/potential perspective? Hard to sell the winters in Madison to recruits, but they do year in and year out it seems.

These are just a few that come to mind for me.
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The only overachievers are in the G5. The only way to say certain P5 programs are overachievers is if you say over the last 30 years or so.

In that case, over the last 30 years, it's easily Oregon.

Oregon used to be a joke and over the last 30 has built itself into something. Mr. Rich Brookes did a wonderful job and the program has only gotten better.

Over the last 30 most current P5 programs have performed about on par with the way they have always performed.
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(06-14-2014 01:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The only overachievers are in the G5. The only way to say certain P5 programs are overachievers is if you say over the last 30 years or so.

In that case, over the last 30 years, it's easily Oregon.

Oregon used to be a joke and over the last 30 has built itself into something. Mr. Rich Brookes did a wonderful job and the program has only gotten better.

Over the last 30 most current P5 programs have performed about on par with the way they have always performed.

This. Boise State is the biggest overachiever in college football. I'm still having a hard time understanding how they put together the winning teams that they did. Boise is a boring city and Boise State doesn't really have a campus. One third of it is athletic facilities.
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If I have my numbers correct, the top ten programs over the past 4 seasons were:

Oregon 47-6
Alabama 46-7
Stanford 46-8
LSU 44-9
Florida St 45-10
Oklahoma 43-10
Ohio State 42-10
South Carolina 42-11
Wisconsin 39-15
Nebraska 38-16

The first 8 were relatively easy to identify. I may well have missed a team or two that won more games than Wisconsin and Nebraska. If anyone has better info, please correct.

Several of these teams have been mentioned as underachievers. Which shows how much expectations play into our perceptions.
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(06-13-2014 11:44 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  No one has mentioned Notre Dame? The exclusive NBC television contract football school and all-around national media darlings? They would be #1 on my list based on recent history, brand recognition, recruiting strength and students/alumni/fans expectations that include bowl wins and national championships....Lost 9 straight bowls from 1994-2006 and 11 out of their last 14 bowls including getting smoked by Bama in the 2012 BCS Championship. Last national championship 1988.



Recent history?

Do you mean the 37-15 record the last four years under Kelly, 21-5 the past two seasons?

The 12-0 regular season and a title game appearance two years ago?
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(06-14-2014 08:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It may have been shown that ND had no business playing for a NC that season but they did make it there.

Did LSU have any business playing Alabama in a championship game where it was shut out, beat by three touchdowns and never crossed the 50 yard line?
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(06-14-2014 06:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I have my numbers correct, the top ten programs over the past 4 seasons were:

Oregon 47-6
Alabama 46-7
Stanford 46-8
LSU 44-9
Florida St 45-10
Oklahoma 43-10
Ohio State 42-10
South Carolina 42-11
Wisconsin 39-15
Nebraska 38-16

The first 8 were relatively easy to identify. I may well have missed a team or two that won more games than Wisconsin and Nebraska. If anyone has better info, please correct.

Several of these teams have been mentioned as underachievers. Which shows how much expectations play into our perceptions.



Does ND's 37-15 record put them tenth or eleventh in the country during that time?

I'm a lawyer for a reason, math is not my strong suit, plus I am too lazy to do the calculation.
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I think overall, Notre Dame has underachieved in the last quarter century, the year they overachieved by advancing to the national title game not withstanding.
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(06-13-2014 11:48 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 11:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Purdue
Indiana
Kentucky
Miami
Washington St.

agree

and the fact that IU and UK won't play Cincy in football is a joke. They say they have nothing to gain by beating us but we have been ranked by in large most of the past seven years so how these two pathetic football programs have nothing to gain by playing and beating a ranked/bowl bound Cincy is beyond me.

Now, if they say, "we already play a tough conference slate and don't want to add a loss in the OOC to Cincy" then ok. But at least call a spade a spade. Our last game against UK was in 1996 at Nippert...we beat them 26-3 and haven't been able to schedule them since. And that was when were mediocre at best.
Indiana and Kentucky don't even play each other in football.
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(06-14-2014 10:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-14-2014 06:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I have my numbers correct, the top ten programs over the past 4 seasons were:

Oregon 47-6
Alabama 46-7
Stanford 46-8
LSU 44-9
Florida St 45-10
Oklahoma 43-10
Ohio State 42-10
South Carolina 42-11
Wisconsin 39-15
Nebraska 38-16

The first 8 were relatively easy to identify. I may well have missed a team or two that won more games than Wisconsin and Nebraska. If anyone has better info, please correct.

Several of these teams have been mentioned as underachievers. Which shows how much expectations play into our perceptions.



Does ND's 37-15 record put them tenth or eleventh in the country during that time?

I'm a lawyer for a reason, math is not my strong suit, plus I am too lazy to do the calculation.

37-15 = .712 winning percentage
38-16 = .704 winning percentage

ND has the better record, although Nebraska would have the edge if not for participating in conference championship games.
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(06-15-2014 12:01 AM)prp Wrote:  
(06-14-2014 10:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-14-2014 06:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I have my numbers correct, the top ten programs over the past 4 seasons were:

Oregon 47-6
Alabama 46-7
Stanford 46-8
LSU 44-9
Florida St 45-10
Oklahoma 43-10
Ohio State 42-10
South Carolina 42-11
Wisconsin 39-15
Nebraska 38-16

The first 8 were relatively easy to identify. I may well have missed a team or two that won more games than Wisconsin and Nebraska. If anyone has better info, please correct.

Several of these teams have been mentioned as underachievers. Which shows how much expectations play into our perceptions.



Does ND's 37-15 record put them tenth or eleventh in the country during that time?

I'm a lawyer for a reason, math is not my strong suit, plus I am too lazy to do the calculation.

37-15 = .712 winning percentage
38-16 = .704 winning percentage

ND has the better record, although Nebraska would have the edge if not for participating in conference championship games.


So, this underachieving team has the tenth best record in the country since it hired Brian Kelly.

I wonder how the 21-5 record the past two season stacks up nationally?
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(06-15-2014 12:01 AM)prp Wrote:  
(06-14-2014 10:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-14-2014 06:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I have my numbers correct, the top ten programs over the past 4 seasons were:

Oregon 47-6
Alabama 46-7
Stanford 46-8
LSU 44-9
Florida St 45-10
Oklahoma 43-10
Ohio State 42-10
South Carolina 42-11
Wisconsin 39-15
Nebraska 38-16

The first 8 were relatively easy to identify. I may well have missed a team or two that won more games than Wisconsin and Nebraska. If anyone has better info, please correct.

Several of these teams have been mentioned as underachievers. Which shows how much expectations play into our perceptions.



Does ND's 37-15 record put them tenth or eleventh in the country during that time?

I'm a lawyer for a reason, math is not my strong suit, plus I am too lazy to do the calculation.

37-15 = .712 winning percentage
38-16 = .704 winning percentage

ND has the better record, although Nebraska would have the edge if not for participating in conference championship games.

I missed them, not because I overlooked them, but because I missed their Sun Bowl win in 2010. I originally had their record as 36-15.

A couple of other teams in the conversation are Georgia (36-18), Clemson (36-18) and USC (35-17).
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(06-14-2014 10:58 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 11:48 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 11:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Purdue
Indiana
Kentucky
Miami
Washington St.

agree

and the fact that IU and UK won't play Cincy in football is a joke. They say they have nothing to gain by beating us but we have been ranked by in large most of the past seven years so how these two pathetic football programs have nothing to gain by playing and beating a ranked/bowl bound Cincy is beyond me.

Now, if they say, "we already play a tough conference slate and don't want to add a loss in the OOC to Cincy" then ok. But at least call a spade a spade. Our last game against UK was in 1996 at Nippert...we beat them 26-3 and haven't been able to schedule them since. And that was when were mediocre at best.
Indiana and Kentucky don't even play each other in football.

Red Herring much?
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Iowa: Yes, they are my number 1 and yes I am biased. Ferentz has been looking out east to Maryland and the beltway for talent. Hoping that the additions of Maryland and Rutgers will further that endeavor along.

Miami: I know they have some good seasons but if you look at their recruiting classes, they must be recruiting all problem children that do not play well with others because these guys should be dominant.

USC: Their problem has been disconnect between coach and team. I think that is over and they will rise again to achieve what they are supposed to.

Texas: Same problem as USC. They have decent seasons...by other programs' standards but not by Texas standards. No one has more resources than they do and no one has the recruiting ability that they do. These guys need to be competing for national championships.

UNC: Lots of draft picks but what else?

Michigan: Get it together Hoke!
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(06-13-2014 01:58 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I'm not sure why USC would be on anyone's list. They've been hampered by sanctions the past few years. Why they were pre season #1 in 2012 I'll never know.

Because they did it to themselves. I find Kentucky on the list to be more interesting. Do they sponsor football? :)
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(06-14-2014 10:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think overall, Notre Dame has underachieved in the last quarter century, the year they overachieved by advancing to the national title game not withstanding.

In the last 20 years ND is 3-14 in bowls, 0-4 in BCS Bowls.

ND's BCS Bowl record:
L 41-9 v Oregon, 2001
L 34-20 v Ohio State, 2006
L 41-14 v LSU, 2007
L 42-13 v Alabama, 2013

3 of ND's 4 BCS Bowl losses make the list of top 10 biggest blowouts in BCS Bowl history.

There is no team that is consistently more over rated than Notre Dame.
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