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http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/am...s-buffalo/

Not saying it's right or wrong. Just pointing that it exists. No commentary on U Buffalo State.
06-13-2014 08:56 AM
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I've always been surprised how well Buffalo has been able to support the Bills and Sabres despite its decline the last fifty years. Just for reference, there are twelve larger metro areas than Buffalo without major sports teams. At least in UB's case they can market all across New York (like they have been) to generate support.
06-13-2014 09:47 AM
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RE: Commentary on city of Buffalo
Pointless meandering anecdote that reads like something a 10th grader wrote 10 minutes before it was due.
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RE: Commentary on city of Buffalo
Rochester is located in the county (Monroe) just east of Buffalo and has no professional sports franchises except for a AAA league Soccer team. Niagara Falls and St Catherines, Ontario are also located close to Buffalo. There's a much larger population within a 50 mile radius of Buffalo than just in their SMSA.
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RE: Commentary on city of Buffalo
Ah great, infamous know-nothing contrarian David Stockman publishes a fiction-promoting piece by a peak oil fear-monger who hates all modern development since the invention of the paved road. A must read!

Granted, the East Side of Buffalo, where the author chose to focus, is rough. But one of Buffalo's biggest recent failures was its waterfront, which is now finally thriving. http://www.canalsidebuffalo.com/

The Erie Canal slip was rebuilt, an area that connects the waterfront to the First Niagara Center.

And to spend this entire piece talking about the ruins of the Larkin Building??? The spot of one of the most exciting new turns of the last 5 years? http://www.larkinsquare.com/ Larkinville is an exceedingly popular destination with the area around it soon to be developed with a new hockey facility for junior hockey, hotels, food... This is all happening now.

But that's Kunstler, who betrays his misanthropy with this statement: "It will be especially interesting when the suburban matrix around it enters its own inevitable cycle of abandonment." You see, not only is Buffalo proper doomed but suburbia itself is going to collapse when the anarchy comes! Except that if he wasn't looking through fecal-colored glasses, he'd see first that Buffalo is on the upswing from even five years ago; and second, Buffalo proper, aside from its rough areas (like every city has), is still the kind of thriving local area that he suggests no longer exists. People I know from Buffalo are some of the most civic and community-oriented people you'll ever meet. They know their neighbors, they watch each others' kids. Again, the kind of people Kunstler suggests won't exist again till the fall of the USA.


Of course he doesn't mention UB. It would run counter to his thesis of doom. There's the Medical Corridor, a
state of the art medicine and bioresearch — spearheaded by UB — all in a hub, with major hospitals already having been relocated there or soon to be and that corridor borders the (gasp!) east side, much like the downtown area that now thrives.

Abandoned grain elevators turned into spaces for art installations and concerts and a rock-climbing wall? That also doesn't fit Kunstler's idea of urban decay into chaos.


Here's a story in the Economist which paints a brighter picture. http://www.economist.com/node/21557797
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(06-13-2014 11:30 AM)MacLord Wrote:  Ah great, infamous know-nothing contrarian David Stockman publishes a fiction-promoting piece by a peak oil fear-monger who hates all modern development since the invention of the paved road. A must read!

So you're saying it's good?
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RE: Commentary on city of Buffalo
(06-13-2014 09:47 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I've always been surprised how well Buffalo has been able to support the Bills and Sabres despite its decline the last fifty years. Just for reference, there are twelve larger metro areas than Buffalo without major sports teams. At least in UB's case they can market all across New York (like they have been) to generate support.

Because despite the decline of the City the County and Region have been pretty stable. When "Buffalo was at its peek" Amherst New York was a cow town with few people.

From 1970 to 2010 the population of Erie County had decreased by about 200,000 people (from 1.1 Million to 900,000). During that same time Buffalo's population decreased 300,000.

Since 2010 the population of Buffalo has pretty much stabilized and the population of Erie County has started to grow a bit.

The Solution for the Buffalo Area is three fold.

1 - They need to better embrace UB as the economic driver for the Area. The potential is there and the City foolishly passing on a City Campus for the State University in the 1960's played a huge part in how hard the city fell.

2 - They need to regionalize services. Amherst has historically be a snooty obstacle to regional services but they are not starting to see the problems of a mid sized city.

3 - They need to continue to develop the water front. It's night and day down there over the past 5 years. It really is becomeing a great place to hang out.

Another reason Buffalo can support the Bills and the Sabres is the Canadians who are not counted as part of our Metro Area but who come to Bills and Sabres games in huge numbers.
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RE: Commentary on city of Buffalo
(06-13-2014 10:18 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  Pointless meandering anecdote that reads like something a 10th grader wrote 10 minutes before it was due.

My thoughts as well... He biked across the biggest pocket of poverty in Buffalo and saw.... Poverty...

Go bike through North Buffalo, South Buffalo, The University District, or along the River.

Buffalo lost about half of its population but the bleeding is done. We don't have the problems of Detroit with our infrastructure going to waste so all that needs to be done is to try and clear empty neighborhoods above gound and re-purpose them as parks or, if the city own the land, give it to anyone willing to invest in commercial or light industrial work.

I'm not a Buffalo apologist. Ask me five years ago and I say the city was heading for disintegration. with South and North Buffalo splitting off, perhaps even the west side. I thought they would be integrated into the surrounding suburbs.

But my in last two trips to Buffalo I have seen a real change in the attitude of the people and the atmosphere of the city.

Will Buffalo ever be what it was? No... But I see nothing preventing it from becoming a city / region which which matches up well with most mid sized American Cities.
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(06-13-2014 11:06 AM)Policiious Wrote:  Rochester is located in the county (Monroe) just east of Buffalo and has no professional sports franchises except for a AAA league Soccer team. Niagara Falls and St Catherines, Ontario are also located close to Buffalo. There's a much larger population within a 50 mile radius of Buffalo than just in their SMSA.

Rochester actually has a very old and well known AHL hockey team in the Americans. I know that at the very least.
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(06-13-2014 05:18 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 11:06 AM)Policiious Wrote:  Rochester is located in the county (Monroe) just east of Buffalo and has no professional sports franchises except for a AAA league Soccer team. Niagara Falls and St Catherines, Ontario are also located close to Buffalo. There's a much larger population within a 50 mile radius of Buffalo than just in their SMSA.

Rochester actually has a very old and well known AHL hockey team in the Americans. I know that at the very least.

Why let facts get in the way of a good story?

"Professional Sports Teams
Rochester is home to a number of minor-league professional sports teams, though only one major-league team calls Rochester home.

Sport Team
Baseball Red Wings
Basketball RazorSharks
Football (Indoor) Raiders
Football (Minor League) Sting
Hockey Amerks (Americans)
Lacrosse (Indoor) Knighthawks
Lacrosse (Outdoor) Rochester Rattlers
Quad Rugby (Indoor) WNY Wreckers
Soccer (Outdoor) Rhinos
Soccer (Indoor) Rochester Lancers
Soccer (Women's Outdoor) Ravens
Soccer (Women's Outdoor) WNY Flash
Ultimate (Outdoor) Rochester Dragons"
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(06-13-2014 09:47 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  At least in UB's case they can market all across New York (like they have been) to generate support.

They have been? I've NEVER seen any promotion for UB outside of Buffalo when I've been home in Upstate NY.
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(06-14-2014 02:03 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 09:47 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  At least in UB's case they can market all across New York (like they have been) to generate support.

They have been? I've NEVER seen any promotion for UB outside of Buffalo when I've been home in Upstate NY.

Yes they have been.

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2013/8/26/46612...-york-city

WBBR is also the flagship station for the Notre Dame football-ISP Sports Radio Network and carries St. John's basketball games. It provides Westwood One's coverage of the annual Masters Tournament.

There is an old question "How do you eat an elephant". The answer is simple, "One Bite at a time". White has continued to take a series of small bites out of New York. If you had said last year that UB Football and Hoops games will be on the radio in New York City I would have called you nuts, yet here we are.

And then there is the Bulls update on the FAN in NYC

http://www.buffalobulls.com/sports/fball...080176egk5

In an effort to increase the University at Buffalo athletics brand and keep in touch with the vast alumni base in the New York City area, the UB Department of Athletics, in partnership with Play By Play Sports, LLC will air the "UB Bulls Minute" on 660AM/101.9FM WFAN in New York City this fall. The "UB Bulls Minute," a weekly 60-second update will air during The Mike Francesa Show – the nation's top sports talk radio show.

The updates will provide notes on upcoming events for UB football and basketball. There will be 20 weekly reports on Fridays, with two replays of the reports to be played the following Saturday mornings prior to kick-off. They will begin in August and run through March and the basketball season.
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RE: Commentary on city of Buffalo
Would the Bulls take over the Bills stadium if they move ?

How far is it from campus or could it be a big game home ?
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(06-14-2014 09:01 AM)MJG Wrote:  Would the Bulls take over the Bills stadium if they move ?

How far is it from campus or could it be a big game home ?

Doubtful... The Bills Stadium is a good 25-30 minutes from Campus and I don't believe that it's the optimal solution for UB given it's age.
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