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Charlotte AD Judy Rose: "What is autonomy? If seems like every day we hear it taking a step further."

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Rose: "Most of us not worried abt COA...If we could have scholly limits defined on front end it would relieve a lot of tension and pressure"

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Many ADs here at NACDA have mentioned the Shabazz Napier "hungry" comment to me. Judy Rose just blasted it as well during this panel.

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That one really got under their skin.

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Arizona AD Greg Byrne pushing back some against idea athletes should have more no-contact time. Points out benefit of structured environment

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Rose: Our conference presidents will not go back to students to fund COA to give athletes a better package on the backs of paying students

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Moderator asks four ADs on the panel how they're going to prepare for what's coming from a budget standpoint. Awkward silence.

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Burke: If we are going to give athletes a 4-year scholarship, there needs to be some consequence to a transfer. Can't be an open gate.

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Just spoke with Mark Emmert on way out. Said he had no reaction to first two day of O'Bannon trial but confirmed he will take the stand

Thanks. It sounds like there maybe some push back to the P5 autonomy request. I hope that the G5 makes the P5 actually break away.

I thought it was odd that the P5 were saying that autonomy was a slam dunk / rubber stamp formality for passage. It's just that it wasn't on the G5 ADs radar yet.

This happens on a smaller scale at every company I have ever worked at. A group goes off and comes up with a plan that everyone else nods their head about in approval. When it actually comes time to make an official decision and put their name on it, suddenly everyone has an opinion.

(06-11-2014 12:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Thanks. It sounds like there maybe some push back to the P5 autonomy request. I hope that the G5 makes the P5 actually break away.

The P5 doesn't need the G5 to make money in football and so they don't need to play them. Honestly, I think if the G5 pushes this issue we could see the P5 break away. It's that important o them. We (the G5) need the P5 much more than they will ever need us IMO--

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Burke: If we are going to give athletes a 4-year scholarship, there needs to be some consequence to a transfer. Can't be an open gate.

I agree.

(06-11-2014 12:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Thanks. It sounds like there maybe some push back to the P5 autonomy request. I hope that the G5 makes the P5 actually break away.

The P5 doesn't need the G5 to make money in football and so they don't need to play them. Honestly, I think if the G5 pushes this issue we could see the P5 break away. It's that important o them. We (the G5) need the P5 much more than they will ever need us IMO--

I agree we need them more than they need us, but despite their posturing they really don't want to have to fully break away. The P5 just wants to threaten it enough that everyone just gives them what they want. They are already having enough issues right now keeping up the sham of amateurism with the Northwestern Union stuff and the O'Bannon lawsuit. The sharks are already circling and if they pushed too far that house of cards could easily fall down and it would cost them dearly. They don't "need" the G5 or the rest of D1 at all, but they do need all that stuff to go away and forming an entirely new entity does not help that at all.

(06-11-2014 12:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Thanks. It sounds like there maybe some push back to the P5 autonomy request. I hope that the G5 makes the P5 actually break away.

The P5 doesn't need the G5 to make money in football and so they don't need to play them. Honestly, I think if the G5 pushes this issue we could see the P5 break away. It's that important o them. We (the G5) need the P5 much more than they will ever need us IMO--

I think that without the cover that the G5 and the NCAA provides them; the P5 is going to be seen as a bunch of greedy parasites that are not really about amateur athletics. That is why I hope that the G5 forces the issue, because at the end of the day I am betting on the general public to realize that only reason that a bunch of schools would want to break away from the NCAA is so that they can lie and cheat without being subjected to oversight. Slive's comments last week about breaking away probably went too far, because there was some negative press and now you can see some G5 coaches and administrators showing some backbone. The P5 is not breaking away, because they don't want to be seen negatively. So they are going to stay and make life as miserable as possible for members of the G5. I bet that there will not be any more move ups to the FBS for a long time; in fact I bet that we see a movement to push some teams back into FCS.

(06-11-2014 12:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Thanks. It sounds like there maybe some push back to the P5 autonomy request. I hope that the G5 makes the P5 actually break away.

The P5 doesn't need the G5 to make money in football and so they don't need to play them. Honestly, I think if the G5 pushes this issue we could see the P5 break away. It's that important o them. We (the G5) need the P5 much more than they will ever need us IMO--

Not really. Both need each other equally, for a variety of reasons. But even if the so called "p5" broke away, I feel the AAC could easily sue for inclusion, if necessary. How could the so called P5 legally bar entry into whatever organization it morphs into, if the AAC has the desire and resources to abide by whatever rules are needed for entry.

(06-11-2014 12:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Thanks. It sounds like there maybe some push back to the P5 autonomy request. I hope that the G5 makes the P5 actually break away.

The P5 doesn't need the G5 to make money in football and so they don't need to play them. Honestly, I think if the G5 pushes this issue we could see the P5 break away. It's that important o them. We (the G5) need the P5 much more than they will ever need us IMO--

Not really. Both need each other equally, for a variety of reasons. But even if the so called "p5" broke away, I feel the AAC could easily sue for inclusion, if necessary. How could the so called P5 legally bar entry into whatever organization it morphs into, if the AAC has the desire and resources to abide by whatever rules are needed for entry.

IMO the AAC will not have to sue for inclusion. The P5 will probably include the AAC just to keep up guise of being about amateur athletics. The P5 staying means that a bunch of b.s. rules are about to be made, because obviously those leagues want to control who is in the FBS with them. And even that is complete bull.

..."the focus instead remains an autonomous structure for those schools that would give them voting independence over a range of specific issues."... ."

..."Missouri athletics director and NACDA president Mike Alden, who has been heavily involved in the governance discussions from the athletics director side, said he hoped the Division IV idea wouldn't be necessary, particularly after all the work that has been put into keeping Division I under one umbrella.

"We're so close (on resolution)," he said."... .

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col...rdpmzj8xrl

If the AAC lawyers up initiates lawsuits if not initially included, they'll be included in this new organization...gauranteed. Take that to the bank. the P5 can't legally bar the AAC if the AAC is willing and able to abide by whatever rules are required for admission.

(06-11-2014 12:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Thanks. It sounds like there maybe some push back to the P5 autonomy request. I hope that the G5 makes the P5 actually break away.

The P5 doesn't need the G5 to make money in football and so they don't need to play them. Honestly, I think if the G5 pushes this issue we could see the P5 break away. It's that important o them. We (the G5) need the P5 much more than they will ever need us IMO--

Not really. Both need each other equally, for a variety of reasons. But even if the so called "p5" broke away, I feel the AAC could easily sue for inclusion, if necessary. How could the so called P5 legally bar entry into whatever organization it morphs into, if the AAC has the desire and resources to abide by whatever rules are needed for entry.

Please. Ask yourself how P5 fan interest suffer if the P5s broke away? How would income - TV and otherwise? I'm sure P5 fans would be just fine with playing their conference games and three or four OOC games against other P5 teams. I doubt the same could be said for the G5 schools or their fans. Or the money and TV exposure that G5s will miss out on when all P5 games go totally off their schedules. --- So, with the union and player rights issues out there I seriously doubt the G5 schools have much, if any, leverage on the autonomy issue. It's going to happen and it's going to happen in a way that satisfies the P5 - or I really think they'll split to Division 4. And I think most of the G5 ADs / commissioners know it --

(06-11-2014 01:02 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If the AAC lawyers up initiates lawsuits if not initially included, they'll be included in this new organization...gauranteed. Take that to the bank. the P5 can't legally bar the AAC if the AAC is willing and able to abide by whatever rules are required for admission.

Really? Why can't they?

(06-11-2014 01:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Thanks. It sounds like there maybe some push back to the P5 autonomy request. I hope that the G5 makes the P5 actually break away.

The P5 doesn't need the G5 to make money in football and so they don't need to play them. Honestly, I think if the G5 pushes this issue we could see the P5 break away. It's that important o them. We (the G5) need the P5 much more than they will ever need us IMO--

Not really. Both need each other equally, for a variety of reasons. But even if the so called "p5" broke away, I feel the AAC could easily sue for inclusion, if necessary. How could the so called P5 legally bar entry into whatever organization it morphs into, if the AAC has the desire and resources to abide by whatever rules are needed for entry.

Please. Ask yourself how P5 fan interest suffer if the P5s broke away? How would income - TV and otherwise? I'm sure P5 fans would be just fine with playing their conference games and three or four OOC games against other P5 teams. I doubt the same could be said for the G5 schools or their fans. Or the money and TV exposure that G5s will miss out on when all P5 games go totally off their schedules. --- So, with the union and player rights issues out there I seriously doubt the G5 schools have much, if any, leverage on the autonomy issue. It's going to happen and it's going to happen in a way that satisfies the P5 - or I really think they'll split to Division 4. And I think most of the G5 ADs / commissioners know it --

Thier bottom line would suffer GREATLY. Let me say that again GREATLY. With only 6 home games a year instead of 7 or eight. How much do you think an SEC or Big 10 school makes off a home game. That revenue for 1-2 games...gone. With no ability to schedule a "g5" school. Not to mention 2-4 wins would disappear every year (all the OOC games they usually schedule against FCS and/or G5 opponents. 2-4 wins...gone.

The so called P5 can't just ram anything through...despite what the talking heads say in the media...why, because everything must be voted on by the membership...including all the G5 schools. If the G5 doesn't vote for it....guess what...it ain't happening, friend.

Good to see Charlotte's AD in the mix of things, usually she on her heels let the world pass us by.

(06-11-2014 01:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 01:02 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If the AAC lawyers up initiates lawsuits if not initially included, they'll be included in this new organization...gauranteed. Take that to the bank. the P5 can't legally bar the AAC if the AAC is willing and able to abide by whatever rules are required for admission.

Really? Why can't they?

Because it would be an illegal, that's why. Can they bar a D3 team from becoming a D2 school. No...provided they meet all the criteria, they can move up. Life is full of this. If someone is willing/able to meet and does meet the criteria for any organization, they can't be barred from joining for no apparent reason. I could give hundreds of examples of this.

(06-11-2014 12:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 12:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Thanks. It sounds like there maybe some push back to the P5 autonomy request. I hope that the G5 makes the P5 actually break away.

The P5 doesn't need the G5 to make money in football and so they don't need to play them. Honestly, I think if the G5 pushes this issue we could see the P5 break away. It's that important o them. We (the G5) need the P5 much more than they will ever need us IMO--

It's not a matter of who needs who more..

If there is a "breakaway", the "P5" will be cutting off their nose to spite their face. The charade of competition (i.e. a competitive system) will be exposed.

The popularity of the NCAA tournament speaks to the public's views on a fair system. Hell, the success of the NCAA tournament has tipped the scales toward a playoff in football. Cutting a conference out that houses the current basketball national champions and the Fiesta Bowl champions would be highly suspect.

I don't know anyone who gives a damn about the bowl system. The BCS system had been becoming more inclusive for a reason. The latest developments are an effort to stem the floodgates.

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(06-11-2014 01:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 01:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 01:02 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If the AAC lawyers up initiates lawsuits if not initially included, they'll be included in this new organization...gauranteed. Take that to the bank. the P5 can't legally bar the AAC if the AAC is willing and able to abide by whatever rules are required for admission.

Really? Why can't they?

Because it would be an illegal, that's why. Can they bar a D3 team from becoming a D2 school. No...provided they meet all the criteria, they can move up. Life is full of this. If someone is willing/able to meet and does meet the criteria for any organization, they can't be barred from joining for no apparent reason. I could give hundreds of examples of this.

So they just create a rule that you're required to have a media deal worth $10 million per team.

(06-11-2014 01:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 01:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 01:02 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If the AAC lawyers up initiates lawsuits if not initially included, they'll be included in this new organization...gauranteed. Take that to the bank. the P5 can't legally bar the AAC if the AAC is willing and able to abide by whatever rules are required for admission.

Really? Why can't they?

Because it would be an illegal, that's why. Can they bar a D3 team from becoming a D2 school. No...provided they meet all the criteria, they can move up. Life is full of this. If someone is willing/able to meet and does meet the criteria for any organization, they can't be barred from joining for no apparent reason. I could give hundreds of examples of this.

What's "illegal" about it? If I don't want you at my party you don't get an invite. I don't care if you are wearing the required shirt and shoes.

(06-11-2014 01:35 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 01:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 01:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 01:02 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If the AAC lawyers up initiates lawsuits if not initially included, they'll be included in this new organization...gauranteed. Take that to the bank. the P5 can't legally bar the AAC if the AAC is willing and able to abide by whatever rules are required for admission.

Really? Why can't they?

Because it would be an illegal, that's why. Can they bar a D3 team from becoming a D2 school. No...provided they meet all the criteria, they can move up. Life is full of this. If someone is willing/able to meet and does meet the criteria for any organization, they can't be barred from joining for no apparent reason. I could give hundreds of examples of this.

So they just create a rule that you're required to have a media deal worth $10 million per team.

They can...and it would likely be struck down as an anti-competitive clause. If they don't like lawsuits, a split will almost certainly draw a number of HUGE lawsuits. A spit would like destroy the G5 and leave them with FCS levels of income. That's a lot of potential liability.