Just an FYI, a buddy of mine, a Michigan student, told me its $297 for student tickets. That's stupid.

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(06-10-2014 08:35 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

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(06-10-2014 02:28 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  http://johnubacon.com/2014/06/the-real-r...l-tickets/

With the realignment for the upcoming new season along with the presidents and AD's chasing $$. The college fans and students are turning away from the game.
Wait until the P5 professional more of the college game, the fans will decline even further.

One of the telling quotes:
" a survey which revealed more than 50-percent of Michigan season ticket holders had been buying them for more than two decades, but only nine-percent of them also bought season tickets to any professional team. This tells us a basic truth: Michigan football fans don’t just love football. They love Michigan football—the history, the traditions, the rituals — the timeless elements that have grown organically over decades. They are attracted to the belief that Michigan football is based on ideals that go beyond the field, do not fade with time, and are passed down to the next generation — the very qualities that separate a game at the Big House from the Super Bowl. "

My glaring thing is if you don't get the students to the game, then what is the college game for? Hard for to pay for tickets as a student when I already paid my student fee and then tuition on top.

This whole realignment process and more commercialization/professionalization of the college atmosphere is what is ruining attendance than any HD TV is doing.

When I attended LSU law school in the early Eighties, all students got into the games for free. All they had to show was their student ID at the gate.

Later, that changed, forever. Now, students have to pay for their tickets.

The game has become a Made For Television Event and for the luxury suite crowd.

With ever increasing ticket prices and PSL's, schools are pricing out people who had season tickets for decades and were among the school's most fervent, loyal and vocal fans.

So it goes.....

That was my experience at Oregon State in the mid 90's. The school had almost 1 side for the students and I just had to show my ID. Basketball games were free but still had to get tickets due to size of the arena. Not sure if OSU charges students now but if I had to pay for the games, no way could I afford it while attending school.

this is what pisses me off. I have to pay $213 to watch P5 football while my sister gets to watch a much better p5 team for free.

Which schools for each of you?

me: colorado
her: northwestern

Nothing in life is free. At the schools that give free student tickets and charge no student fees, guess what? Your student ticket fees are front loaded (not disclosed) in the cost of your tuition! Just so you genius realize this!

(06-10-2014 07:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  This attitude will probably not be popular but I don't care if students get to see Louisville games or not. What do they do to support them team? Go to class with them? Let them get a job, get on the waiting list, make a donation for the right to buy tickets, buy their tickets and go to the game. I waited my time, let them wait theres.

College athletics is big business. If you want to play with the big boys you have to pay like the big boys. I tell my Louisville friends all the time, when we move to The ACC we have to step up our game as fans as much as the teams do.

Can't be a big time program and whine about ticket prices, PSL's and donation levels.
CJ

I understand where Jim is coming from ... especially at Louisville, where the football stadium was paid in large part by season ticket holders who basically committed to PSL's to get the momentum started to build a new football stadium.

But it is a tad short sighted because it is a key way to grow the season ticket base going forward. Especially in a community like Louisville, without pro sports to compete with. Students who stay in town after graduation should be buying the nose bleed season tickets in droves ...

Now, having said that, I know of a couple of guys who kept taking classes at U of L for YEARS after they should have graduated to stay eligible for free/cheap student tickets to hoops games ... So, when it's too good a deal for students, it can work against the school too.



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(06-10-2014 09:44 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Nothing in life is free. At the schools that give free student tickets and charge no student fees, guess what? Your student ticket fees are front loaded (not disclosed) in the cost of your tuition! Just so you genius realize this!

Old boys club, thats how you'd prefer it, thats most likely what you will get. Have fun. 40k a year to go to Michigan btw, yep, my friends able to afford the student pricing.

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(06-10-2014 10:19 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 09:44 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Nothing in life is free. At the schools that give free student tickets and charge no student fees, guess what? Your student ticket fees are front loaded (not disclosed) in the cost of your tuition! Just so you genius realize this!

Old boys club, thats how you'd prefer it, thats most likely what you will get. Have fun. 40k a year to go to Michigan btw, yep, my friends able to afford the student pricing.

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And thats not including student housing, books, food, gas at 4+ a gallon in A2, etc. There is a reason I hate the Enigma that is Michigan and it doesnt lie with my loyalties to either school or Green and White.

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Marching band members get in free, don't they? Just pick up a tuba, pretend to be a student, and you've got everything made!

Solid article, couldn't agree more. Many bonds are made with the school by attending games with friends as students. Take that away and you lose a lot of your future donor base.

its one of the few advantages of being a G5 program, students are still an integral and valued part of the game day experience.

(06-10-2014 07:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  This attitude will probably not be popular but I don't care if students get to see Louisville games or not. What do they do to support them team? Go to class with them? Let them get a job, get on the waiting list, make a donation for the right to buy tickets, buy their tickets and go to the game. I waited my time, let them wait theres.

College athletics is big business. If you want to play with the big boys you have to pay like the big boys. I tell my Louisville friends all the time, when we move to The ACC we have to step up our game as fans as much as the teams do.

Can't be a big time program and whine about ticket prices, PSL's and donation levels.
CJ

This is just really a very sad statement. What do students in college do to support college athletics? Well, if you did not have students you kind of would not have a college. Also, I think your missing the point where the athletes are also students....

Michigan Student's are the life of the crowd at both Football and Basketball games, would be a lot quieter without them, basketball games would sound like soccer games.

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(06-10-2014 09:44 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Nothing in life is free. At the schools that give free student tickets and charge no student fees, guess what? Your student ticket fees are front loaded (not disclosed) in the cost of your tuition! Just so you genius realize this!

Not always a comparable situation. Regardless if schools charge for tickets or not there is almost always an athletic fee to support all athletics not just football. When you have an athletic fee and charge for tickets your simply milking your students.

I know this is a problem at almost every university and professional sports franchise. It is necessary to make the experience of the stadium as easy and fun as possible. College age students love to tweet, text, and instagram everything that happens (especially girls). If you have no cell service you can not do those things. A simple solution would be to make sure everybody has wifi and cell service. I know TCU has brought in portable cell towers in the past and just recently established wifi in the stadium. You can now order concessions from an app on your phone and will get a notification when it is ready for pick up.

On top of that every student at TCU gets access to any sporting event they want without a ticket. All they have to do is bring their student ID.

By not letting students in for free you're breaking the any potential bond for long term fandom. When most of the students to graduate, they are going to saddled with loan repayments that will preclude them from even having the ability, let alone a desire to make donations to their alma mater.

I wouldn't pay $310 for those home games. The best one on there is Penn State, and they're irrelevant.

It also might be a sign that sticking Michigan in the eastern portion of the Big Ten, while geographically correct, wasn't the best cultural choice. Are the students in Ann Arbor going to go nuts over Maryland? Indiana and Minnesota are the only games that feel like a cultural connection.

Wasn't Michigan's president or AD the one who said they wanted to play more conference games because it meant they kept all the old rivalries? If it was, maybe now we see why.

...but then, $310 for Appy, UMOH, Utah, Minnesota, Penn State, Indiana, and Maryland. What a rip.

I look at this as strictly a ticket buying vs. ticket giveaway situation.

When I attended UofL in the early '80's I bought season tickets. When my son attended UofL, he bought season tickets. True as a college student he doesn't have the money he will when he is a gets out of grad school. It however teaches the lesson if you want something it is worth sacrificing for.

What I am reading here is the prevailing attitude that their university of choice owns them a hand out. (Not surprising considering the youth of the average poster here and our Nations disappearing worth ethic.)

To those whining about paying for tickets: Did your university promise you a free ticket to every athletic event as part of your educational experience? If they did by all means go stand in the ticket line and get your free ticket. Don't forget your free lunch and your free books to go along with what is most likely a free education.

Take this as a big you're welcome from somebody that busts his tail everyday ( I am sure there are others here like me that pay your bills with our taxes) so you get all those freebies.
CJ

(06-11-2014 11:20 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I look at this as strictly a ticket buying vs. ticket giveaway situation.

When I attended UofL in the early '80's I bought season tickets. When my son attended UofL, he bought season tickets. True as a college student he doesn't have the money he will when he is a gets out of grad school. It however teaches the lesson if you want something it is worth sacrificing for.

What I am reading here is the prevailing attitude that their university of choice owns them a hand out. (Not surprising considering the youth of the average poster here and our Nations disappearing worth ethic.)

To those whining about paying for tickets: Did your university promise you a free ticket to every athletic event as part of your educational experience? If they did by all means go stand in the ticket line and get your free ticket. Don't forget your free lunch and your free books to go along with what is most likely a free education.

Take this as a big you're welcome from somebody that busts his tail everyday ( I am sure there are others here like me that pay your bills with our taxes) so you get all those freebies.
CJ

See, that's where your wrong. Its not a hand out. That's what a donation is and that's what universities live on. Its an investment by the university. The concept of squeezing a few extra dollars (typically for the worst seats in the house) from the students might make a lot of sense in the short run. But getting those students to develop a habit of being at the games is the real key to big bucks down the line. You are developing your future season ticket base and your future donors. Free is probably best, but sure, some nominal $50 fee for a ticket book is certainly reasonable. But trying to squeeze $150, $250, or over $300 for crappy seats from kids with little money and other more fun options isn't likely a smart long term decision.

We see the same squeeze going in in the corporate level where short term decisions or cuts that insure the quarter gets made are often at odds with delivering the best product/service over the long haul.

(06-11-2014 11:20 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I look at this as strictly a ticket buying vs. ticket giveaway situation.

When I attended UofL in the early '80's I bought season tickets. When my son attended UofL, he bought season tickets. True as a college student he doesn't have the money he will when he is a gets out of grad school. It however teaches the lesson if you want something it is worth sacrificing for.

What I am reading here is the prevailing attitude that their university of choice owns them a hand out. (Not surprising considering the youth of the average poster here and our Nations disappearing worth ethic.)

To those whining about paying for tickets: Did your university promise you a free ticket to every athletic event as part of your educational experience? If they did by all means go stand in the ticket line and get your free ticket. Don't forget your free lunch and your free books to go along with what is most likely a free education.

Take this as a big you're welcome from somebody that busts his tail everyday ( I am sure there are others here like me that pay your bills with our taxes) so you get all those freebies.
CJ

I would say that most feel with the crazy prices schools are charging for admission these days that letting students in to sporting events would amount to a rounding error in the University's bottom line.

And yes, I could go to any home sporting event I wanted to. Along with being forced to attend 7 football games a year.

(06-11-2014 11:20 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I look at this as strictly a ticket buying vs. ticket giveaway situation.

When I attended UofL in the early '80's I bought season tickets. When my son attended UofL, he bought season tickets. True as a college student he doesn't have the money he will when he is a gets out of grad school. It however teaches the lesson if you want something it is worth sacrificing for.

What I am reading here is the prevailing attitude that their university of choice owns them a hand out. (Not surprising considering the youth of the average poster here and our Nations disappearing worth ethic.)

To those whining about paying for tickets: Did your university promise you a free ticket to every athletic event as part of your educational experience? If they did by all means go stand in the ticket line and get your free ticket. Don't forget your free lunch and your free books to go along with what is most likely a free education.

Take this as a big you're welcome from somebody that busts his tail everyday ( I am sure there are others here like me that pay your bills with our taxes) so you get all those freebies.
CJ

wanna put your money where your mouth is and enlighten us as to how much you actually paid for them at ville in the 80s?????

(06-11-2014 11:20 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I look at this as strictly a ticket buying vs. ticket giveaway situation.

When I attended UofL in the early '80's I bought season tickets. When my son attended UofL, he bought season tickets. True as a college student he doesn't have the money he will when he is a gets out of grad school. It however teaches the lesson if you want something it is worth sacrificing for.

What I am reading here is the prevailing attitude that their university of choice owns them a hand out. (Not surprising considering the youth of the average poster here and our Nations disappearing worth ethic.)

To those whining about paying for tickets: Did your university promise you a free ticket to every athletic event as part of your educational experience? If they did by all means go stand in the ticket line and get your free ticket. Don't forget your free lunch and your free books to go along with what is most likely a free education.

Take this as a big you're welcome from somebody that busts his tail everyday ( I am sure there are others here like me that pay your bills with our taxes) so you get all those freebies.
CJ

Wow what a misguided rant. Aren't there some kids on your yard to run off? Damn kids today.

Here is some real talk compared to the good old days.

Back in the good old days, the typical state paid 65% to 80% of the cost of a college education at the taxpayer supported colleges. The average student loan debt when a student left college in the 80's was $2200 (TOTAL). The equivalent of about $5200 today. I left with about $5000 in debt but I went on for a terminal degree.

Now that the boomers have got "their" due they have demanded fiscal responsibility and today the typical state pays around 33% of a college education and the average student loan debt is $35,200 roughly a 600% and a significant portion of that.

Students are paying over $2 billion a year to support intercollegiate athletics at the Division I level, that is more than the TV contracts of the P5 combined.