(06-10-2014 04:58 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 04:51 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 04:02 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 03:53 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 12:22 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Finally, we hear a con tell it like it is. Kudos sir.

They're radicalized extremists, just like the OP of this thread. Extremism is a cancer to a free society.

I haven't been here long enough, how is the OP an extremist?

He is a straight up commie

That probably isn't extreme enough for you though

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He sounds like a lib, but not a commie.

No, he's a commie

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To answer the OP:

The killer wasn't black. So the Republicans couldn't carry on with their victim complex with the news article.

The rule is: Only black on white crime is allowed to be posted here.

(06-10-2014 03:50 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 03:45 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 03:00 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  They were also Meth users. So do we pin the blame on the Legalize Drug crowd?
They were also asked to leave the Bundy ranch because of their extremism. That would be a sign of Tea Partiers policing themselves.
The were also White Supremists. So I guess all white people are to blame
They shot cops. So anyone opposed to Stop and Frisk bear some responsibity by your train of thought

??????

That was most likely in response to the OP because every single time he posts, he blames Republicans, he's just like Harry Reid...

Yes that was to the OP. And I have nothing good to say about Harry Reid

(06-10-2014 05:13 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  To answer the OP:

The killer wasn't black. So the Republicans couldn't carry on with their victim complex with the news article.

The rule is: Only black on white crime is allowed to be posted here.

lol cons owned

(06-10-2014 05:13 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The rule is: Only black on white crime is allowed to be posted here.

Except, apparently, the earlier thread about the Las Vegas shooting. Or the thread just today about the Oregon school shooting.

what is the OP ?

It's comical to watch lefties having orgasms all over the video screen because finally--FINALLY--one (or two) of these crazy-ass killers turns out to be someone that they can link to "right-wingers."

Well, just to set the record straight, I don't give a f-k what their political leanings are, because whatever they are, they don't relate to me. Whatever their politics, these people do these things because they are f-king crazy. Time after time, the consistent thing turns out to be that there were plenty of reasons to suspect problems if only someone had connected the dots beforehand. We need to start figuring out how our mental health system can identify the problems sooner.

(06-10-2014 06:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  It's comical to watch lefties having orgasms all over the video screen because finally--FINALLY--one (or two) of these crazy-ass killers turns out to be someone that they can link to "right-wingers."

Well, just to set the record straight, I don't give a f-k what their political leanings are, because whatever they are, they don't relate to me. Whatever their politics, these people do these things because they are f-king crazy. Time after time, the consistent thing turns out to be that there were plenty of reasons to suspect problems if only someone had connected the dots beforehand. We need to start figuring out how our mental health system can identify the problems sooner.

Owl- I work in mental health. Most of the problem people have already been identified. Not all, but most. The lack of hospital beds, funding for Day Treatment facilities, very underfunded budgets for medications, overworked counsellors and case managers all contribute to making the situational untenable. Seriouslty many of these people need to be institutionalized, however public policy designed to protect the rights of the individual preclude this, not to mention the cost This much I know, if the people AS A WHOLE do not agree to fund more services, this is gonna get a lot worse.

(06-10-2014 06:26 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Owl- I work in mental health. Most of the problem people have already been identified. Not all, but most. The lack of hospital beds, funding for Day Treatment facilities, very underfunded budgets for medications, overworked counsellors and case managers all contribute to making the situational untenable. Seriouslty many of these people need to be institutionalized, however public policy designed to protect the rights of the individual preclude this, not to mention the cost This much I know, if the people AS A WHOLE do not agree to fund more services, this is gonna get a lot worse.

May have been better to say "identify and deal with" rather than "identify." Obviously, identification does little good if it isn't dealt with. I'm inherently skeptical of any proposal that starts out with more money. I think you need to determine why the money you are spending now isn't working and make structural and procedural and functional changes first. I think more funding may ultimately be appropriate, but first let's make sure it goes to the right places. I do think we have to make a decision about where the boundary between privacy and public safety properly lies, and I don't think we have it right at the present time.

(06-10-2014 06:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  what is the OP ?

Orange piranha I think.

(06-10-2014 06:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  It's comical to watch lefties having orgasms all over the video screen because finally--FINALLY--one (or two) of these crazy-ass killers turns out to be someone that they can link to "right-wingers."

The Anti-Defamation League's expert puts it slightly higher than that (38 of 43 since 2009):

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-...government

(06-10-2014 06:59 PM)Proud Bammer Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 06:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  It's comical to watch lefties having orgasms all over the video screen because finally--FINALLY--one (or two) of these crazy-ass killers turns out to be someone that they can link to "right-wingers."

The Anti-Defamation League's expert puts it slightly higher than that (38 of 43 since 2009):

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-...government

That doesn't link them to conservatives. No matter how hard the left wants to, none of them (including the Las Vegas ones) come out of anything remotely close to mainstream fiscal or social conservatism or libertarianism. But continue your circle jerk.

(06-10-2014 06:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 06:26 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Owl- I work in mental health. Most of the problem people have already been identified. Not all, but most. The lack of hospital beds, funding for Day Treatment facilities, very underfunded budgets for medications, overworked counsellors and case managers all contribute to making the situational untenable. Seriouslty many of these people need to be institutionalized, however public policy designed to protect the rights of the individual preclude this, not to mention the cost This much I know, if the people AS A WHOLE do not agree to fund more services, this is gonna get a lot worse.

May have been better to say "identify and deal with" rather than "identify." Obviously, identification does little good if it isn't dealt with. I'm inherently skeptical of any proposal that starts out with more money. I think you need to determine why the money you are spending now isn't working and make structural and procedural and functional changes first. I think more funding may ultimately be appropriate, but first let's make sure it goes to the right places. I do think we have to make a decision about where the boundary between privacy and public safety properly lies, and I don't think we have it right at the present time.

I certainly agree, and as a person directly involved I may well have a skewed point of view. I can tell you here in Virginia, a very fiscally conservative state, We are operating on a shoe string. Every cent is accounted for and justified. Since our funding comes from numerous sources, we have local, state, federal and gateway insurance managers who scrutinize every penny spent. I understand your reluctance to start the conversation with money, but I simply do not see how this problem can be effectively dealt with without it.
You may recall the shooting at VT a few years ago. As a result of this the state legislature provided an additional 40 million dollars to help hospitalize people in crisis. Nice while it lasted , one whole year. Next year, after the furor subsided, they took it back. Needless to say we have a republican majority in state legislature, so I'm not exactly thrilled with repubs right now. Some seem tight fisted to the extreme. I realize there is alot of waste, but there is also alot of unmet needs as a result of asking people to constantly do more with less. Some states may be fat, but I don't see it here.

(06-10-2014 09:56 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  I wondering if you righties aren't talking about it because you're ashamed that these two are Cliven Bundy supporting, conspiracy theory believing, Tea Partiers; or if it's because that information isn't reported in the right-wing news bubble. So which is it?

probably because of the same reason you never talk about the black prison population.