(06-12-2014 11:38 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  The problem with looking at the records of G5 v P5 is that not all G5 are created equal. East Carolina can go into Chapel Hill and Raleigh and beat UNC and NC State....does anyone really expect Eastern Michigan to do that?

I think the best way to look at it is by conference...what was CUSA's record v P5 (home and away) and the Sun Belt's, the MAC's, etc...

Well the same can go for FCS also, but since you asked.
SBC: 6-4
AAC: 6-3
MAC: 9-2
CUSA: 6-1
MWC: 9-1

From Commuter Bob's link: http://csnbbs.com/thread-647115.html

(06-12-2014 10:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:12 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 08:57 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I kept it track of it all last season here: http://csnbbs.com/thread-647115.html

Great!
So I calculated the overall records. G5 vs FCS 36-11. P5 vs FCS 54-4.

With exception of the SBC. The MWC/AAC/CUSA & MAC had exceptional records vs the FCS schools.

Good thing is even though the G5 does has a poor record vs the P5, the FCS has a poor record against the G5. I was wondering if FCS and G5 were somewhat close but last years records shows that isn't the case.

just outta curiosity: who were the 11 FCS wins?

1. S. Utah vs S. Alabama
2. Towson vs UConn
3. Samford vs Georgia St.
4. McNeese St vs S. Florida
5. E. Illinois vs San Diego St
6. Maine vs UMass
7. Chatanooga vs Georgia St.
8. Nicholls St. vs W. Michigan
9. Bethune-Cookmand vs FIU
10. Jacksonville St. vs Georgia St.
11. Fordham vs Temple

thx

So roughly half of the FCS wins against the G5 were really against schools that were for all practical purposes still in transition from FCS to FBS. The number of wins against established FBS schools is minimal. Without doing the math, probably not much better than 10% if that.

Not very good at all...

Ga. St. skews the SBC's numbers a bit.

(06-12-2014 11:38 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  The problem with looking at the records of G5 v P5 is that not all G5 are created equal. East Carolina can go into Chapel Hill and Raleigh and beat UNC and NC State....does anyone really expect Eastern Michigan to do that?

I think the best way to look at it is by conference...what was CUSA's record v P5 (home and away) and the Sun Belt's, the MAC's, etc...

Yes, EMU is less likely than ECU to do that.

But Temple is also much less likely to do it, while the NIU teams of the past couple of years would be more likely to win those road games than the ECU teams of the past couple of years. It's not reasonable to use EMU as representative of the entire MAC.

(06-12-2014 11:49 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well the same can go for FCS also, but since you asked.
SBC: 6-4
AAC: 6-3
MAC: 9-2
CUSA: 6-1
MWC: 9-1

From Commuter Bob's link: http://csnbbs.com/thread-647115.html

As someone mentioned above, first-year transitioning team Georgia State lost 3 games to FCS teams. South Alabama is also transitioning and lost a game to an FCS team. So if you only count full-fledged FBS teams, then the SBC didn't lose any FCS games in 2013.

I'm sorry...what does FCS games have to do with the original question? Why was that brought into the discussion?

(06-12-2014 12:09 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:12 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Great!
So I calculated the overall records. G5 vs FCS 36-11. P5 vs FCS 54-4.

With exception of the SBC. The MWC/AAC/CUSA & MAC had exceptional records vs the FCS schools.

Good thing is even though the G5 does has a poor record vs the P5, the FCS has a poor record against the G5. I was wondering if FCS and G5 were somewhat close but last years records shows that isn't the case.

just outta curiosity: who were the 11 FCS wins?

1. S. Utah vs S. Alabama
2. Towson vs UConn
3. Samford vs Georgia St.
4. McNeese St vs S. Florida
5. E. Illinois vs San Diego St
6. Maine vs UMass
7. Chatanooga vs Georgia St.
8. Nicholls St. vs W. Michigan
9. Bethune-Cookmand vs FIU
10. Jacksonville St. vs Georgia St.
11. Fordham vs Temple

thx

So roughly half of the FCS wins against the G5 were really against schools that were for all practical purposes still in transition from FCS to FBS. The number of wins against established FBS schools is minimal. Without doing the math, probably not much better than 10% if that.

Half? I count 4/11 and 2013 was Massachusetts second transition year.

(06-12-2014 03:12 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 12:09 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  just outta curiosity: who were the 11 FCS wins?

1. S. Utah vs S. Alabama
2. Towson vs UConn
3. Samford vs Georgia St.
4. McNeese St vs S. Florida
5. E. Illinois vs San Diego St
6. Maine vs UMass
7. Chatanooga vs Georgia St.
8. Nicholls St. vs W. Michigan
9. Bethune-Cookmand vs FIU
10. Jacksonville St. vs Georgia St.
11. Fordham vs Temple

thx

So roughly half of the FCS wins against the G5 were really against schools that were for all practical purposes still in transition from FCS to FBS. The number of wins against established FBS schools is minimal. Without doing the math, probably not much better than 10% if that.

Half? I count 4/11 and 2013 was Massachusetts second transition year.

I said roughly half. It's hard to get exactly half of 11. I counted South Alabama, Georgia State, UMass (a total of five losses) with FIU barely out of that category. I'm talking about schools who have not yet achieved the kind of stability as a recent FBS move up that UConn has. The point is, there aren't very many wins over established G5 programs by FCS programs.

(06-12-2014 06:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 03:12 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 12:09 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-12-2014 10:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  1. S. Utah vs S. Alabama
2. Towson vs UConn
3. Samford vs Georgia St.
4. McNeese St vs S. Florida
5. E. Illinois vs San Diego St
6. Maine vs UMass
7. Chatanooga vs Georgia St.
8. Nicholls St. vs W. Michigan
9. Bethune-Cookmand vs FIU
10. Jacksonville St. vs Georgia St.
11. Fordham vs Temple

thx

So roughly half of the FCS wins against the G5 were really against schools that were for all practical purposes still in transition from FCS to FBS. The number of wins against established FBS schools is minimal. Without doing the math, probably not much better than 10% if that.

Half? I count 4/11 and 2013 was Massachusetts second transition year.

I said roughly half. It's hard to get exactly half of 11. I counted South Alabama, Georgia State, UMass (a total of five losses) with FIU barely out of that category. I'm talking about schools who have not yet achieved the kind of stability as a recent FBS move up that UConn has. The point is, there aren't very many wins over established G5 programs by FCS programs.

FIU has been FBS for over a decade and has been to two bowl games I think. I would argue they're plenty established. What G5 teams out there are you referring to though as "established"?

Houston? ECU? South Florida, who got demolished by Mcneese last year?

Most G5 schools have had a rough year or two here and there the last fifteen years. It's much easier for a good G5 to bottom out for a few seasons than a good P5.