I think you are supposed to drop the mic after a line like that Tigercity...

(06-11-2014 09:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 08:50 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Another reason why USF, Cincy and UConn should share the exit fees more equally with the new schools. This information about Louisville was withheld from the new schools by USF, Cincy and UConn. Had everyone known, the new schools would have been in a much better bargaining position.

Say UConn, Cincy, and USF didn't change their position and still said they were *each* taking 20 million. Now what? Which CUSA schools don't come?

You are asking the wrong question.

If there is no league, no exit fees are due.

If we don't come, they don't get jack.

(06-11-2014 09:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 09:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 08:50 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Another reason why USF, Cincy and UConn should share the exit fees more equally with the new schools. This information about Louisville was withheld from the new schools by USF, Cincy and UConn. Had everyone known, the new schools would have been in a much better bargaining position.

Say UConn, Cincy, and USF didn't change their position and still said they were *each* taking 20 million. Now what? Which CUSA schools don't come?

You are asking the wrong question.

If there is no league, no exit fees are due.

If we don't come, they don't get jack.

Really, the money must go somewhere. I am sure there is a formal way of distribution, when a conference dissolves. I do not understand these attitudes. You (new members) do not share in the successes of the conference prior to your arrival. Cincy, USF, and Louisville probably did not share in the exit fees, when Tech, Miami, and BC left. Cincy Louisville and USF did not have the same brand equity as the members that left, consequently the remaining members were financially hurt. The exit fee compensated. Same thing applies here.

(06-11-2014 09:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 09:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 08:50 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Another reason why USF, Cincy and UConn should share the exit fees more equally with the new schools. This information about Louisville was withheld from the new schools by USF, Cincy and UConn. Had everyone known, the new schools would have been in a much better bargaining position.

Say UConn, Cincy, and USF didn't change their position and still said they were *each* taking 20 million. Now what? Which CUSA schools don't come?

You are asking the wrong question.

If there is no league, no exit fees are due.

If we don't come, they don't get jack.

First, if anything can be learned, it's every school for itself during any realignment. There's no "we" in 'we don't come.' UConn, Cincy, and USF formed the core of a better conference for almost any other non-P5 schools out there --- So, who would have turned down an invite from them?

(06-11-2014 09:35 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 09:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 09:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 08:50 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Another reason why USF, Cincy and UConn should share the exit fees more equally with the new schools. This information about Louisville was withheld from the new schools by USF, Cincy and UConn. Had everyone known, the new schools would have been in a much better bargaining position.

Say UConn, Cincy, and USF didn't change their position and still said they were *each* taking 20 million. Now what? Which CUSA schools don't come?

You are asking the wrong question.

If there is no league, no exit fees are due.

If we don't come, they don't get jack.

First, if anything can be learned, it's every school for itself during any realignment. There's no "we" in 'we don't come.' UConn, Cincy, and USF formed the core of a better conference for almost any other non-P5 schools out there --- So, who would have turned down an invite from them?

If there's anything I've learned on this board, It's that you can't use Logic or express your opinions.

Logic dictates that the three left overs were the only ones hurt by the departures thus they are the only ones entitled to the money from the settlements. Now expressing that opinion leaves you open to be attacked.

(06-11-2014 09:34 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 09:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  You are asking the wrong question.

If there is no league, no exit fees are due.

If we don't come, they don't get jack.

Really, the money must go somewhere. I am sure there is a formal way of distribution, when a conference dissolves. .

Well to be fair, if the conference had dissolved, assuming Louisville and Rutgers were involved in the dissolution which would have been about the only way it could happen, then there would be no exit fees from those two schools, and each team would keep their own NCAA units. So the only pooled money would be exit fees from previously departed schools (WVU 20, Syracuse 7.5, and Pitt 7.5), and the early withdrawal fees from the C7, which were about $5 million total. So that would be about $40 million divided among the five remaining teams (plus perhaps Temple who was an affiliated football member at that time). However there would have been no BCS bid in 2013. I have no idea how to assess other sports, since I don't know where the teams would have gone.

(06-09-2014 09:59 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 09:30 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  FYI. CUSA was at 24M. AAC had 3x the revenue as CUSA.

And BTW, these numbers do not include the entry/exit fees owed AAC

Something most may not know, even fans of the former CUSA schools, the CUSA Conf now has 14 members (use to be 12 when UCF, SMU, Houston and Memphis were members back in 2012-2013).

No clue how many members they will have next year after they lose Tulane, Tulsa and ECU.

C-USA had 14 football members and 16 non-football members this year. Next year, it will be 14 across (it may be 13 for a year or 2 in football while UNCC transitions).

Did Pitt and Syracuse and WVU pay all that money up front? Or was some/all of it deferred to basketball units they left behind?

If the league dissolved, the basketball units revert back to the schools that earned them.

(06-11-2014 11:59 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Did Pitt and Syracuse and WVU pay all that money up front? Or was some/all of it deferred to basketball units they left behind?

Their BB units were not used to pay exit fees. That was something C-USA had, due to the teams who formed C-USA, and what their power sport was (I.e. Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, and Southern Miss, 4 of the 5 who had much more recent BB success than football success when formed).

(06-11-2014 02:21 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-11-2014 11:59 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Did Pitt and Syracuse and WVU pay all that money up front? Or was some/all of it deferred to basketball units they left behind?

Their BB units were not used to pay exit fees. That was something C-USA had, due to the teams who formed C-USA, and what their power sport was (I.e. Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, and Southern Miss, 4 of the 5 who had much more recent BB success than football success when formed).

Make it 5 of 6. Tulane was strong in basketball when C-USA was formed.

Tulane wasn't one of the "power" teams who were instrumental in forming C-USA. It was those five teams and to a lesser extent DePaul (who was also very strong at the time) who lead the way.

(06-11-2014 02:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Tulane wasn't one of the "power" teams who were instrumental in forming C-USA. It was those five teams and to a lesser extent DePaul (who was also very strong at the time) who lead the way.

Tulane absolutely was instrumental in forming C-USA. As for power teams, Houston wasn't a power when C-USA was formed, and nobody was a power in football.

Power = those in charge. Tulane was around, but they were not the few that were more or less making the decisions. Houston was definitely in the power structure, as they were coveted from coming out of the SWC. Power doesn't necessarily mean who had the best team that year. It is who had the most influence. And Louisville, Memphis, and Cincinnati, as the leaders of the two conferences merging were those teams. Houston was there as well and was seen as a big get for the conference, and even though they had to wait to join, were part of the forming power structure. Southern Miss as well. Tulane, UAB, charlotte, Saint Louis, and Marquette, other founding members, were not. And Virginia Tech, Virginia Commonwealth, and Dayton, members of the two dissolving conferences that more or less merged, were left out altogether. Which is worth mentioning because they are two of the four or five non-football teams most often mentioned as expansion prospects.

Living in the past.

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