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P5 vs.
On the first weekend of the 2014 CFB season it looks like the P5 schools play 21 games against G5 teams and 20 against Baby Seals (FCS).
I would expect P5 to win 16 against G5 (look out, Penn St) and 19 vs. FCS.
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RE: P5 vs.
and of course of those 21 games vs the G5, only 3 of those are played in a G5 stadium- Penn State @ UCF, Wake Forrest (P5 by birthright only) @ ULM, and Washington @ Hawai'i. There are two other neutral games where the G5 is listed as the home team but the games will be played in NFL Stadiums (Ohio State @ Navy and BC @ UMass).
The P5 will play 41/59 games in Wk1 vs non P5 schools but only 3/41 will be true road games. And the fans of P5 schools will all pound their chests and say 'look at all the games we won, we're so awesome'.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-08-2014 06:32 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: and of course of those 21 games vs the G5, only 3 of those are played in a G5 stadium- Penn State @ UCF, Wake Forrest (P5 by birthright only) @ ULM, and Washington @ Hawai'i. There are two other neutral games where the G5 is listed as the home team but the games will be played in NFL Stadiums (Ohio State @ Navy and BC @ UMass).
The P5 will play 41/59 games in Wk1 vs non P5 schools but only 3/41 will be true road games. And the fans of P5 schools will all pound their chests and say 'look at all the games we won, we're so awesome'.
The UCF game against Penn State is in Dublin, Ireland not Orlando.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-08-2014 06:32 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: and of course of those 21 games vs the G5, only 3 of those are played in a G5 stadium- Penn State @ UCF, Wake Forrest (P5 by birthright only) @ ULM, and Washington @ Hawai'i. There are two other neutral games where the G5 is listed as the home team but the games will be played in NFL Stadiums (Ohio State @ Navy and BC @ UMass).
The P5 will play 41/59 games in Wk1 vs non P5 schools but only 3/41 will be true road games. And the fans of P5 schools will all pound their chests and say 'look at all the games we won, we're so awesome'.
It's silly to whine about G5 teams playing money games, because it's their own decisions that make those games happen. Those teams receive enormous sums of money for playing on the road. If they wanted to, they could turn down the money from Texas or Notre Dame or Nebraska and play a home/home series against other G5 teams instead.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-08-2014 10:21 PM)Wedge Wrote: (06-08-2014 06:32 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: and of course of those 21 games vs the G5, only 3 of those are played in a G5 stadium- Penn State @ UCF, Wake Forrest (P5 by birthright only) @ ULM, and Washington @ Hawai'i. There are two other neutral games where the G5 is listed as the home team but the games will be played in NFL Stadiums (Ohio State @ Navy and BC @ UMass).
The P5 will play 41/59 games in Wk1 vs non P5 schools but only 3/41 will be true road games. And the fans of P5 schools will all pound their chests and say 'look at all the games we won, we're so awesome'.
It's silly to whine about G5 teams playing money games, because it's their own decisions that make those games happen. Those teams receive enormous sums of money for playing on the road. If they wanted to, they could turn down the money from Texas or Notre Dame or Nebraska and play a home/home series against other G5 teams instead.
But it's not silly to look askance at the record built by the P5 with such a huge home field advantage.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-09-2014 07:14 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: (06-08-2014 10:21 PM)Wedge Wrote: (06-08-2014 06:32 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: and of course of those 21 games vs the G5, only 3 of those are played in a G5 stadium- Penn State @ UCF, Wake Forrest (P5 by birthright only) @ ULM, and Washington @ Hawai'i. There are two other neutral games where the G5 is listed as the home team but the games will be played in NFL Stadiums (Ohio State @ Navy and BC @ UMass).
The P5 will play 41/59 games in Wk1 vs non P5 schools but only 3/41 will be true road games. And the fans of P5 schools will all pound their chests and say 'look at all the games we won, we're so awesome'.
It's silly to whine about G5 teams playing money games, because it's their own decisions that make those games happen. Those teams receive enormous sums of money for playing on the road. If they wanted to, they could turn down the money from Texas or Notre Dame or Nebraska and play a home/home series against other G5 teams instead.
But it's not silly to look askance at the record built by the P5 with such a huge home field advantage.
It's good to be P5.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-09-2014 07:14 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: (06-08-2014 10:21 PM)Wedge Wrote: (06-08-2014 06:32 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: and of course of those 21 games vs the G5, only 3 of those are played in a G5 stadium- Penn State @ UCF, Wake Forrest (P5 by birthright only) @ ULM, and Washington @ Hawai'i. There are two other neutral games where the G5 is listed as the home team but the games will be played in NFL Stadiums (Ohio State @ Navy and BC @ UMass).
The P5 will play 41/59 games in Wk1 vs non P5 schools but only 3/41 will be true road games. And the fans of P5 schools will all pound their chests and say 'look at all the games we won, we're so awesome'.
It's silly to whine about G5 teams playing money games, because it's their own decisions that make those games happen. Those teams receive enormous sums of money for playing on the road. If they wanted to, they could turn down the money from Texas or Notre Dame or Nebraska and play a home/home series against other G5 teams instead.
But it's not silly to look askance at the record built by the P5 with such a huge home field advantage.
It depends what the matchup is. To pick a couple of 2014 games as examples: If it's Fresno State vs. Utah, then a 50-50 split of home games makes a difference. (That one is a home/home series, btw.) If it's LSU vs. New Mexico State, no one would seriously argue that playing half the games in Las Cruces would mean that NMSU would win half the games in the series. A mismatch is a mismatch wherever it's played.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-08-2014 03:56 PM)westwolf Wrote: On the first weekend of the 2014 CFB season it looks like the P5 schools play 21 games against G5 teams and 20 against Baby Seals (FCS).
I would expect P5 to win 16 against G5 (look out, Penn St) and 19 vs. FCS.
Curious as to who your FCS upsets are.
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RE: P5 vs.
I didn't realize us P5 fans beat our chests about winning all the games... I'd imagine most P5 fans here (Not including JML and some other numbskulls) wouldn't beat our chests about winning a large percentage of games against G5 and FCS, hell most of us ignore or don't even bother to buy tickets unless they are CHEAP to see the FCS games. Oregon I would beat my chest about winning, the game against EMU I won't be cheering for Sparty, and the Wyoming game I'll be happy with a win but have expected it. Games against Houston, UCF, Boise St, Fresno St, BYU, and some of those better G5 teams I might beat my chest about. You G5 fans have an obsession with us P5 fans, as if we would rather play these smaller schools with "inferior" teams, sorry but that is the athletic department scheduling those games so stop harping on us FANS.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-08-2014 10:21 PM)Wedge Wrote: (06-08-2014 06:32 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: and of course of those 21 games vs the G5, only 3 of those are played in a G5 stadium- Penn State @ UCF, Wake Forrest (P5 by birthright only) @ ULM, and Washington @ Hawai'i. There are two other neutral games where the G5 is listed as the home team but the games will be played in NFL Stadiums (Ohio State @ Navy and BC @ UMass).
The P5 will play 41/59 games in Wk1 vs non P5 schools but only 3/41 will be true road games. And the fans of P5 schools will all pound their chests and say 'look at all the games we won, we're so awesome'.
It's silly to whine about G5 teams playing money games, because it's their own decisions that make those games happen. Those teams receive enormous sums of money for playing on the road. If they wanted to, they could turn down the money from Texas or Notre Dame or Nebraska and play a home/home series against other G5 teams instead.
the P5 engineers the terms of the conference payouts for the FBS contract between ESPN and FBS so that they receive $900m MORE than the G5 over the 12 years of the contract, and you say G5 teams receive "enormous sums of money for playing on the road". You should be a stand up comedian.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-08-2014 06:45 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: (06-08-2014 06:32 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: and of course of those 21 games vs the G5, only 3 of those are played in a G5 stadium- Penn State @ UCF, Wake Forrest (P5 by birthright only) @ ULM, and Washington @ Hawai'i. There are two other neutral games where the G5 is listed as the home team but the games will be played in NFL Stadiums (Ohio State @ Navy and BC @ UMass).
The P5 will play 41/59 games in Wk1 vs non P5 schools but only 3/41 will be true road games. And the fans of P5 schools will all pound their chests and say 'look at all the games we won, we're so awesome'.
The UCF game against Penn State is in Dublin, Ireland not Orlando.
ahh, good point. So its really just Washington taking a trip to Hawaii and the worst P5 program ever (WF) playing in G5 stadiums.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-09-2014 11:58 AM)perimeterpost Wrote: the P5 engineers the terms of the conference payouts for the FBS contract between ESPN and FBS so that they receive $900m MORE than the G5 over the 12 years of the contract, and you say G5 teams receive "enormous sums of money for playing on the road". You should be a stand up comedian.
So, you believe that the evil "P5 engineers" use alien mind control techniques, or whatever, to force ESPN to pay the Big Ten more money than the MAC. You think that market forces like the number of fans and TV viewers for each team have nothing to do with it.
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RE: P5 vs.
The P5 was 113-23 vs the G5 last season, including 7-3 in bowl games, and 22-9 on the road. If that trend holds, the P5 will win 17 of those 21 games against the G5.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-09-2014 12:19 PM)Wedge Wrote: (06-09-2014 11:58 AM)perimeterpost Wrote: the P5 engineers the terms of the conference payouts for the FBS contract between ESPN and FBS so that they receive $900m MORE than the G5 over the 12 years of the contract, and you say G5 teams receive "enormous sums of money for playing on the road". You should be a stand up comedian.
So, you believe that the evil "P5 engineers" use alien mind control techniques, or whatever, to force ESPN to pay the Big Ten more money than the MAC. You think that market forces like the number of fans and TV viewers for each team have nothing to do with it.
Do you think that ESPN offered that up on their own? If your market forces nonsense made any sense every professional league would follow it, truth is ALL of them share league revenue equally. Its CFB that is hijacked. But keep dreaming that Wake Forrest "deserves" 3X the revenue as Boise State.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-09-2014 12:19 PM)Wedge Wrote: (06-09-2014 11:58 AM)perimeterpost Wrote: the P5 engineers the terms of the conference payouts for the FBS contract between ESPN and FBS so that they receive $900m MORE than the G5 over the 12 years of the contract, and you say G5 teams receive "enormous sums of money for playing on the road". You should be a stand up comedian.
So, you believe that the evil "P5 engineers" use alien mind control techniques, or whatever, to force ESPN to pay the Big Ten more money than the MAC. You think that market forces like the number of fans and TV viewers for each team have nothing to do with it.
The big money market was CREATED by the BCS segregation
Kentucky football is responsible for just as much of the SEC payout as Houston is
the BCS is the reason the Wake Forest, Duke, Kentucky and Iowa St's of the world are worth more then the UCF Houston ECU and Boise's
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-09-2014 02:41 PM)FuzzyHasek Wrote: (06-09-2014 12:19 PM)Wedge Wrote: (06-09-2014 11:58 AM)perimeterpost Wrote: the P5 engineers the terms of the conference payouts for the FBS contract between ESPN and FBS so that they receive $900m MORE than the G5 over the 12 years of the contract, and you say G5 teams receive "enormous sums of money for playing on the road". You should be a stand up comedian.
So, you believe that the evil "P5 engineers" use alien mind control techniques, or whatever, to force ESPN to pay the Big Ten more money than the MAC. You think that market forces like the number of fans and TV viewers for each team have nothing to do with it.
The big money market was CREATED by the BCS segregation
Kentucky football is responsible for just as much of the SEC payout as Houston is
Kentucky basketball probably has as much market value as all of the P5 football programs combined. Kentucky definitely brings value to the SEC.
No, the conferences are the reason you're looking for, if you are sad about, say, Mississippi State making some ESPN and CBS money that is really "earned" by Alabama and LSU. But even if, say, the SEC got rid of Miss State, that wouldn't mean more money for the little guys, it would just be more money that Bama and LSU and Florida keep for themselves.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-09-2014 11:34 AM)DexterDevil Wrote: I didn't realize us P5 fans beat our chests about winning all the games... I'd imagine most P5 fans here (Not including JML and some other numbskulls) wouldn't beat our chests about winning a large percentage of games against G5 and FCS, hell most of us ignore or don't even bother to buy tickets unless they are CHEAP to see the FCS games. Oregon I would beat my chest about winning, the game against EMU I won't be cheering for Sparty, and the Wyoming game I'll be happy with a win but have expected it. Games against Houston, UCF, Boise St, Fresno St, BYU, and some of those better G5 teams I might beat my chest about. You G5 fans have an obsession with us P5 fans, as if we would rather play these smaller schools with "inferior" teams, sorry but that is the athletic department scheduling those games so stop harping on us FANS.
There are lots of P5 fans that point out the record between P5 and G5 schools. The media, namely E$PN, eat that up and love giving back-handed compliments to the G5 teams as a result.
Sure, they'd still have a winning record if they played road games vs. G5 but it wouldn't be so lopsided. I realize that finances make it that way, but it doesn't change the fact.
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-09-2014 02:56 PM)Wedge Wrote: (06-09-2014 02:41 PM)FuzzyHasek Wrote: (06-09-2014 12:19 PM)Wedge Wrote: (06-09-2014 11:58 AM)perimeterpost Wrote: the P5 engineers the terms of the conference payouts for the FBS contract between ESPN and FBS so that they receive $900m MORE than the G5 over the 12 years of the contract, and you say G5 teams receive "enormous sums of money for playing on the road". You should be a stand up comedian.
So, you believe that the evil "P5 engineers" use alien mind control techniques, or whatever, to force ESPN to pay the Big Ten more money than the MAC. You think that market forces like the number of fans and TV viewers for each team have nothing to do with it.
The big money market was CREATED by the BCS segregation
Kentucky football is responsible for just as much of the SEC payout as Houston is
Kentucky basketball probably has as much market value as all of the P5 football programs combined. Kentucky definitely brings value to the SEC.
No, the conferences are the reason you're looking for, if you are sad about, say, Mississippi State making some ESPN and CBS money that is really "earned" by Alabama and LSU. But even if, say, the SEC got rid of Miss State, that wouldn't mean more money for the little guys, it would just be more money that Bama and LSU and Florida keep for themselves.
I completely agree, my issue isn't the Bama's LSU's and UT's saying they better then UH its people saying Duke or Iowa ST is a better program because it happens to be in the right conference and the postseason being determined by the name rather then performance
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RE: P5 vs.
(06-09-2014 10:47 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote: (06-08-2014 03:56 PM)westwolf Wrote: On the first weekend of the 2014 CFB season it looks like the P5 schools play 21 games against G5 teams and 20 against Baby Seals (FCS).
I would expect P5 to win 16 against G5 (look out, Penn St) and 19 vs. FCS.
Curious as to who your FCS upsets are.
Good question. I just think based on past there will be one.
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