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Daily Oklahoman: Few SEC schools play a representative schedule
(06-08-2014 10:55 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 04:40 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 01:56 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  If the SEC champ didn't have an average of 4-6 wins vs Top 25 teams then maybe they'd have a point.

Never let facts stand in the way of a good argument:

2013 Auburn - beat 3 ranked teams (Alabama, TAMU, and Missouri)
2012 Alabama - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and LSU). Also, Michigan was ranked in the AP poll.
2011 Alabama - beat 1 ranked team (Arkansas) before beating LSU in the National Championship
2011 LSU - beat 3 ranked teams in-conference (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia). Also, Oregon and West Virginia were ranked.
2010 Auburn - beat 5 ranked teams (Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, USC x 2)
2009 Alabama - beat 3 ranked teams in-conference (LSU, Florida, Ole Miss), plus Virginia Tech
2008 Florida - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and Alabama), plus Florida State.
2007 LSU - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and Tennessee), plus Virginia Tech
2006 Florida - beat 4 ranked teams (LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas)
2005 Georgia - beat 1 ranked team (LSU)
2004 Auburn - beat 3 ranked teams (LSU, Georgia, Tennessee), and only played 1 other bowl-eligible team all year (Alabama)
2003 LSU - beat 2 ranked teams (Georgia and Ole Miss)
2002 Georgia - beat 1 ranked team (Auburn)
2001 LSU - beat 1 ranked team (Tennessee in the SEC championship game)

I didn't feel like going any further back than this. Admittedly some of those teams were ridiculous (especially 2009 Alabama, 2010 Auburn, and 2011 LSU), but only 2 seasons matched your boast.

Also, about half of the SEC champs on this list had losses to unranked teams.
Your numbers are a little wrong. 2013 Auburn also beat ole miss and Georgia. Both ranked in the top 25 at the time. 2012 Alabama also beat A&M and Mississippi state teams that were ranked during the season. 2011 Alabama team beat Penn state and Florida that were ranked during the season. 2011 LSU team beat Oregon Miss state, Florida ,Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia that season. All ranked at the time of play.

Ranked at the time of play is a worthless stat. Go by where they finished, not how overrated some preseason ranking was.
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RE: Daily Oklahoman: Few SEC schools play a representative schedule
People should worry about their own teams and their own conferences. But I do think all teams should play 6 home and 6 away games a year.
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RE: Daily Oklahoman: Few SEC schools play a representative schedule
(06-08-2014 11:04 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 10:55 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 04:40 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 01:56 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  If the SEC champ didn't have an average of 4-6 wins vs Top 25 teams then maybe they'd have a point.

Never let facts stand in the way of a good argument:

2013 Auburn - beat 3 ranked teams (Alabama, TAMU, and Missouri)
2012 Alabama - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and LSU). Also, Michigan was ranked in the AP poll.
2011 Alabama - beat 1 ranked team (Arkansas) before beating LSU in the National Championship
2011 LSU - beat 3 ranked teams in-conference (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia). Also, Oregon and West Virginia were ranked.
2010 Auburn - beat 5 ranked teams (Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, USC x 2)
2009 Alabama - beat 3 ranked teams in-conference (LSU, Florida, Ole Miss), plus Virginia Tech
2008 Florida - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and Alabama), plus Florida State.
2007 LSU - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and Tennessee), plus Virginia Tech
2006 Florida - beat 4 ranked teams (LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas)
2005 Georgia - beat 1 ranked team (LSU)
2004 Auburn - beat 3 ranked teams (LSU, Georgia, Tennessee), and only played 1 other bowl-eligible team all year (Alabama)
2003 LSU - beat 2 ranked teams (Georgia and Ole Miss)
2002 Georgia - beat 1 ranked team (Auburn)
2001 LSU - beat 1 ranked team (Tennessee in the SEC championship game)

I didn't feel like going any further back than this. Admittedly some of those teams were ridiculous (especially 2009 Alabama, 2010 Auburn, and 2011 LSU), but only 2 seasons matched your boast.

Also, about half of the SEC champs on this list had losses to unranked teams.
Your numbers are a little wrong. 2013 Auburn also beat ole miss and Georgia. Both ranked in the top 25 at the time. 2012 Alabama also beat A&M and Mississippi state teams that were ranked during the season. 2011 Alabama team beat Penn state and Florida that were ranked during the season. 2011 LSU team beat Oregon Miss state, Florida ,Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia that season. All ranked at the time of play.

Ranked at the time of play is a worthless stat. Go by where they finished, not how overrated some preseason ranking was.

Teams tend to play better when ranked, and even better when ranked well. Where a team finished is a silly way to consider it because the team at the end of a season is not the team that played in certain games.
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(06-07-2014 03:41 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Out of 56 nonconference football games, the 14 team SEC plays 11 BCS schools.

Four SEC schools--Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, and Vanderbilt--do not play a BCS nonconference opponent.

SEC Nonconference Football Schedule
Maybe the Oklahoman should be reporting on the Big XII. 05-stirthepot
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(06-08-2014 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:04 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 10:55 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 04:40 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 01:56 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  If the SEC champ didn't have an average of 4-6 wins vs Top 25 teams then maybe they'd have a point.

Never let facts stand in the way of a good argument:

2013 Auburn - beat 3 ranked teams (Alabama, TAMU, and Missouri)
2012 Alabama - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and LSU). Also, Michigan was ranked in the AP poll.
2011 Alabama - beat 1 ranked team (Arkansas) before beating LSU in the National Championship
2011 LSU - beat 3 ranked teams in-conference (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia). Also, Oregon and West Virginia were ranked.
2010 Auburn - beat 5 ranked teams (Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, USC x 2)
2009 Alabama - beat 3 ranked teams in-conference (LSU, Florida, Ole Miss), plus Virginia Tech
2008 Florida - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and Alabama), plus Florida State.
2007 LSU - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and Tennessee), plus Virginia Tech
2006 Florida - beat 4 ranked teams (LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas)
2005 Georgia - beat 1 ranked team (LSU)
2004 Auburn - beat 3 ranked teams (LSU, Georgia, Tennessee), and only played 1 other bowl-eligible team all year (Alabama)
2003 LSU - beat 2 ranked teams (Georgia and Ole Miss)
2002 Georgia - beat 1 ranked team (Auburn)
2001 LSU - beat 1 ranked team (Tennessee in the SEC championship game)

I didn't feel like going any further back than this. Admittedly some of those teams were ridiculous (especially 2009 Alabama, 2010 Auburn, and 2011 LSU), but only 2 seasons matched your boast.

Also, about half of the SEC champs on this list had losses to unranked teams.
Your numbers are a little wrong. 2013 Auburn also beat ole miss and Georgia. Both ranked in the top 25 at the time. 2012 Alabama also beat A&M and Mississippi state teams that were ranked during the season. 2011 Alabama team beat Penn state and Florida that were ranked during the season. 2011 LSU team beat Oregon Miss state, Florida ,Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia that season. All ranked at the time of play.

Ranked at the time of play is a worthless stat. Go by where they finished, not how overrated some preseason ranking was.

Teams tend to play better when ranked, and even better when ranked well. Where a team finished is a silly way to consider it because the team at the end of a season is not the team that played in certain games.

"Ranked at the time" overvalued teams like 2011 and 2013 Florida who were anything but top 25 caliber.

If a team is good overall it will usually bear itself over the course of the season. IMO "ranked at the time" = not as good as originally thought.
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RE: Daily Oklahoman: Few SEC schools play a representative schedule
Or it means a complete team with something to play for.
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(06-08-2014 02:55 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:04 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 10:55 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 04:40 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Never let facts stand in the way of a good argument:

2013 Auburn - beat 3 ranked teams (Alabama, TAMU, and Missouri)
2012 Alabama - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and LSU). Also, Michigan was ranked in the AP poll.
2011 Alabama - beat 1 ranked team (Arkansas) before beating LSU in the National Championship
2011 LSU - beat 3 ranked teams in-conference (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia). Also, Oregon and West Virginia were ranked.
2010 Auburn - beat 5 ranked teams (Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, USC x 2)
2009 Alabama - beat 3 ranked teams in-conference (LSU, Florida, Ole Miss), plus Virginia Tech
2008 Florida - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and Alabama), plus Florida State.
2007 LSU - beat 2 ranked teams in-conference (Georgia and Tennessee), plus Virginia Tech
2006 Florida - beat 4 ranked teams (LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas)
2005 Georgia - beat 1 ranked team (LSU)
2004 Auburn - beat 3 ranked teams (LSU, Georgia, Tennessee), and only played 1 other bowl-eligible team all year (Alabama)
2003 LSU - beat 2 ranked teams (Georgia and Ole Miss)
2002 Georgia - beat 1 ranked team (Auburn)
2001 LSU - beat 1 ranked team (Tennessee in the SEC championship game)

I didn't feel like going any further back than this. Admittedly some of those teams were ridiculous (especially 2009 Alabama, 2010 Auburn, and 2011 LSU), but only 2 seasons matched your boast.

Also, about half of the SEC champs on this list had losses to unranked teams.
Your numbers are a little wrong. 2013 Auburn also beat ole miss and Georgia. Both ranked in the top 25 at the time. 2012 Alabama also beat A&M and Mississippi state teams that were ranked during the season. 2011 Alabama team beat Penn state and Florida that were ranked during the season. 2011 LSU team beat Oregon Miss state, Florida ,Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia that season. All ranked at the time of play.

Ranked at the time of play is a worthless stat. Go by where they finished, not how overrated some preseason ranking was.

Teams tend to play better when ranked, and even better when ranked well. Where a team finished is a silly way to consider it because the team at the end of a season is not the team that played in certain games.

"Ranked at the time" overvalued teams like 2011 and 2013 Florida who were anything but top 25 caliber.

If a team is good overall it will usually bear itself over the course of the season. IMO "ranked at the time" = not as good as originally thought.

And, not surprisingly, the playoff committee is going to evaluate a teams body of work--not one or two games or where they were ranked in the preseason (there won't be one for the committee--just actual games played). You have to wonder where many of the ranked SEC schools would have been on Oct. 28th of any particular season with only wins against FCS programs, CUSA/Sunbelt level competition and nearly no road games?
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(06-08-2014 09:30 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Ok I was wrong about that, should have said "played against" because most years the SEC champ does play several Top 25 opponents.

I don' get the whining and hatred. The SEC has to win the playoff just the same as any of the rest of you.

We need a "crying about the SEC" board
I think Auburn got robbed as much as anyone else.

Before the joke that was the BCS they would have a share of the title with USC.

ESPY is the reason for the SEC HATE.
Why do SEC fans hate the Big Ten ?
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(06-08-2014 03:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Or it means a complete team with something to play for.

I don't care how much they have to play for. A team that doesn't make a bowl like 2013 UF is NOT worthy of being considered some top ten opponent just because some pollster in July thought they had a chance to be good based on the year before.

At the end of the year which opponent was tougher of these two:

-Florida who was ranked #10 preseason but didn't go to a bowl and lost to Georgia Southern of the incredibly mighty SoCon...
-Michigan State who started unranked but finished in the top 5

It's pretty obvious which one is the correct answer, especially when the games in question are played early in the year and almost everyone has plenty to play for.
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While the SEC is not the top-to-bottom invincible juggernaut some of its fans believe it to be, I think that anyone who fails to recognize that on balance it has a greater number of strong schools than any other conference on a year-to-year basis is kidding themself. In most years for most teams, that means that overall a team's conference schedule alone will be very challenging. Yes, there are imbalances to a divisional rotation schedule - sometimes you get the beasts from the other division, and other times you get the lesser lights, but overall it tends to balance out pretty well, and that's just the nature of divisional play.

Could SEC teams add a few more challenging non-conference games? Sure, some of them could, but many of them do have regular games against other P5 opponents, and it's not as though all P5 teams schedule a rugged non-conference slate. One strength they do have schedule-wise that other conferences could consider emulating is the scheduling for many schools of one of their lower-level competition games in that November slot rather than up-front in September like many teams do. That can allow for a team that's been through several tough conference games in a row to rest some players who are banged up, and give the team a bit of a breather before finishing out their slate. It can also give younger players more playing time, which can be helpful if they have to step in for an injured player at the end of the year or in a bowl game.
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And what conference has the supposed schedules that fans supposedly are looking for? No team in any conferences schedules the way fans think they should.
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(06-08-2014 01:21 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(06-07-2014 03:41 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Out of 56 nonconference football games, the 14 team SEC plays 11 BCS schools.

Four SEC schools--Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, and Vanderbilt--do not play a BCS nonconference opponent.

SEC Nonconference Football Schedule
Maybe the Oklahoman should be reporting on the Big XII. 05-stirthepot

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(06-09-2014 12:22 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  And what conference has the supposed schedules that fans supposedly are looking for? No team in any conferences schedules the way fans think they should.

The SEC definitely schedules lighter than anyone else. I do think it is not without reason- the SEC conference schedule is clearly the toughest in the country most years. If I was an SEC coach, I'd do the same unless the playoff committee did something to make that strategy not as attractive.

I will make a prediction that at some point the last sentence will happen. There will be some SEC team who schedules light nonconference and has no defining wins, who also gets lucky in the SEC schedule and misses a few top SEC teams who finds themselves on the wrong side of the playoff bubble. Not talking about the SEC champ, but a second team vying for the #4 spot. I think the combo of non-champ + soft nonconference schedule will be looked at negatively by the committee versus a champ from another league with a better nonconference schedule.
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Yes, because the Vols scheduling a series of butt-kickings versus Oregon for the past two years and starting a new series with the Sooners is lite work. The Dawgs opening the season with Clemson and closing it with GT is definitely a cakewalk. Bama recently completed series with both WVU as well as PSU were pinics. And the 4 SEC teams end their season against an ACC opponent can pencil in easy W's. Again, please refer me to the schedule of a P5 team that has the difficulty everyone is looking for.
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(06-09-2014 01:19 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Yes, because the Vols scheduling a series of butt-kickings versus Oregon for the past two years and starting a new series with the Sooners is lite work. The Dawgs opening the season with Clemson and closing it with GT is definitely a cakewalk. Bama recently completed series with both WVU as well as PSU were pinics. And the 4 SEC teams end their season against an ACC opponent can pencil in easy W's. Again, please refer me to the schedule of a P5 team that has the difficulty everyone is looking for.

The difference is that the Big 12, PAC12 and now the Big 10 will have 9 conference games. That means that essentially, relative to the SEC, they already have a "nonconference" game against another top conference.

The SEC, instead of another conference game like those other conferences, typically has scheduled one more patsy. My guess is that's going to be an issue at some point for a team on the bubble, especially if by chance they avoided a few of the top SEC teams because of the quirks of the SEC schedule.
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