(06-06-2014 09:48 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Has allRoy Willeveriams offered a response to the allegation that he was part of the cheating?

Yes he did, denied any & all knowledge of cheating by any & all players under his coaching.

(06-06-2014 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:09 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Does this break the rules or something? What if the classes don't have an attendance policy?

No, not if you don't have to go to any classes and your one required paper at the end of the semester can be written by someone else. In other words - a class that requires that you do absolutely nothing.

OK, but what if there's a class like that?

(06-06-2014 11:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:48 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Has allRoy Willeveriams offered a response to the allegation that he was part of the cheating?

Yes he did, denied any & all knowledge of cheating by any & all players under his coaching.

Honest Roy. Time to break out the NCAA's Memphis Rule!

(06-06-2014 11:54 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:09 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Does this break the rules or something? What if the classes don't have an attendance policy?

No, not if you don't have to go to any classes and your one required paper at the end of the semester can be written by someone else. In other words - a class that requires that you do absolutely nothing.

OK, but what if there's a class like that?

College Athlete 101--Be the Ball.

? Something like that.

(06-06-2014 11:40 AM)Cletus Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  ..."McCants also told "Outside the Lines" that he even made the Dean's List in Spring 2005 despite not attending any of his four classes for which he received straight-A grades. He said advisers and tutors who worked with the basketball program steered him to take the paper classes within the African-American Studies program."...

HERE >>>

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/1...am-classes

Roy Williams left Kansas for the UNC job because he knew Kansas was about to go on NCAA probation & he didn't want it to be while on his watch.



...The NCAA report said other boosters gave graduation gifts to outgoing players, a fact that individuals within the athletic department were aware of, including former basketball coach Roy Williams.



...The basketball violations occurred from 2002 through 2005, spanning from Williams to current coach Bill Self, who will be starting his fourth season with Kansas next month.

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But it's different this time - the Williams' denial >>>

(06-06-2014 09:34 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  They already exposed all this on HBO's Real Sports. UNC football was a main part. The athletes were steered and given majors without their notice. African-American Studies. That same story had Dasmine Cathey in it.

The difference with McCants' story is he says he and other UNC BB players on the NC winning 2005 team would not have been eligible, otherwise. He also says Roy Williams had to know what was going on.

Neither of those details came out before.

(06-06-2014 11:57 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:48 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Has allRoy Willeveriams offered a response to the allegation that he was part of the cheating?

Yes he did, denied any & all knowledge of cheating by any & all players under his coaching.

Honest Roy. Time to break out the NCAA's Memphis Rule!

We wish, but I don't think strict liability will ever be used again. Especially against a blue blood school. Especially now with the major conferences looking to leave the NCAA and start their own ruling association. NCAA could just be walking on egg shells until this plays out.

Strict liability is used in many lawsuits. The NCAA decided to use this legal term in the Rose case to allow them to apply sanctions without having to abide by its own by-laws. Until this seemingly autonomous organization is held accountable they will continue to apply rulings as they see fit. Their motto should be "We make deals you can't refuse."

(06-06-2014 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:09 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Does this break the rules or something? What if the classes don't have an attendance policy?

No, not if you don't have to go to any classes and your one required paper at the end of the semester can be written by someone else. In other words - a class that requires that you do absolutely nothing.

There are classes like that at every University, just about.

I aced Intro to Kayaking without ever picking up a pen or pencil.

Is there even an NCAA investigation into this?

(06-06-2014 03:31 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:09 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Does this break the rules or something? What if the classes don't have an attendance policy?

No, not if you don't have to go to any classes and your one required paper at the end of the semester can be written by someone else. In other words - a class that requires that you do absolutely nothing.

There are classes like that at every University, just about.

I aced Intro to Kayaking without ever picking up a pen or pencil.

Did you ever get to ride in a kayak?

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/...eakingnews

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/...-in/?local

good grief

(06-06-2014 03:40 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 03:31 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:27 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:09 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Does this break the rules or something? What if the classes don't have an attendance policy?

No, not if you don't have to go to any classes and your one required paper at the end of the semester can be written by someone else. In other words - a class that requires that you do absolutely nothing.

There are classes like that at every University, just about.

I aced Intro to Kayaking without ever picking up a pen or pencil.

Did you ever get to ride in a kayak?

F--- yeah. Like a boss.

(06-06-2014 10:03 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:52 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:48 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Has Roy Williams offered a response to the allegation that he was part of the cheating?

he doesn't have to, no one in college athletics wants to touch this issue.

The issue has already been touched and the ESPN article quotes a former player claiming specific instances of cheating by his coach. Just a guess but I think he'll be asked about this.

You want to clean this up. Can be done very quickly. Make it a felony to commit academic fraud and violate many other rules. Make it so EVERYONE involved is charged. Coach, teachers, administrators AND the players. So sick of these athletes who knew they are violating the rules and went ahead and did it anyways. Then come out later on and try to make a dollar by spilling the beans.,

If you want to really clean it up, get athletics out of the universities like every other college in the developed world.

(06-06-2014 10:19 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:30 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:21 AM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  Strict liability???? Naaa its UNC.

Well, despite allegations to the contrary, Williams will have to deny knowledge of this if he wants to keep his job. So this looks a little more like the Memphis case --- and the "New P5" isn't in the mood with it's new found concern regarding player rights and education. So, IMO, the NCAA has an opportunity to finally enforce this penalty on another school (if they can't show the standard of proof required for any other) --

(06-06-2014 10:11 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 10:03 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:52 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:48 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Has Roy Williams offered a response to the allegation that he was part of the cheating?

he doesn't have to, no one in college athletics wants to touch this issue.

The issue has already been touched and the ESPN article quotes a former player claiming specific instances of cheating by his coach. Just a guess but I think he'll be asked about this.

the NCAA's whole argument against paying them is the "student-athlete" slant. They don't want to open this can.

But it's open. Seems like they have to do something.
I would like the gig to write his book:
"McCants left UNC after his third year and played four seasons in the NBA, before moving to play overseas. In the 90-minute 'Outside the Lines' interview last month, McCants said he is planning to write a book about his basketball and collegiate experience."

Sounds like he will need lots of help to write it.

(06-06-2014 08:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  If you want to really clean it up, get athletics out of the universities like every other college in the developed world.

That would utterly suck.

(06-06-2014 11:09 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Does this break the rules or something? What if the classes don't have an attendance policy?

I went to one class three times in college and made an A

Still though, theres not attending class and then theres not doing any of the work while not attending class.

(06-06-2014 12:59 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:57 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 11:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:48 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Has allRoy Willeveriams offered a response to the allegation that he was part of the cheating?

Yes he did, denied any & all knowledge of cheating by any & all players under his coaching.

Honest Roy. Time to break out the NCAA's Memphis Rule!

We wish, but I don't think strict liability will ever be used again. Especially against a blue blood school. Especially now with the major conferences looking to leave the NCAA and start their own ruling association. NCAA could just be walking on egg shells until this plays out.

Strict liability is used in many lawsuits. The NCAA decided to use this legal term in the Rose case to allow them to apply sanctions without having to abide by its own by-laws. Until this seemingly autonomous organization is held accountable they will continue to apply rulings as they see fit. Their motto should be "We make deals you can't refuse."

say what , you make great points. But , imho, this is exactly why Tigernation needs to yell 'strict liability' loudly whenever these types of stories hit the press.

Rose's ALLEGED academic misconduct happened before he even stepped on campus (SAT test). These allegations against UNC involved actual classes at their University. I do not have a damn thing against UNC heels. But, if strict liability are the rules that all NCAA teams are playing by. Then, UNC has some serious questions to answer.