If it goest away soon, did UK make a big mistake on the long term big Saban-like contract for Calipari?

(06-06-2014 08:14 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  If it goest away soon, did UK make a big mistake on the long term big Saban-like contract for Calipari?

Why wouldn't Calipari still get top players? If anything, it might make him tougher quite frankly.

Yeah all this does is two things:

1- Keeps his roster with guys of that caliber for more than one year

2- Elevates ncaa mbb talent levels to where there are more of them to go around.

He's already an Urban Legend. Truth is Guys that want the Max PR will go play for Him. He gives Them lots of room to prove Themselves in a season. If You don't make the NBA Cut in one season He will blend You in to help the new one and dones have Their shot. Is that the best route for really good players in the long run ? Probably Not. But You don't know whom will be the next Superstar in the next group so the shot is there for the right Guy.

(06-06-2014 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:14 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  If it goest away soon, did UK make a big mistake on the long term big Saban-like contract for Calipari?

Why wouldn't Calipari still get top players? If anything, it might make him tougher quite frankly.

Agreed. I can only imagine how many championships this guy would win if he had an experienced team coming back most seasons. The only question is, how many will stick?

(06-06-2014 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:14 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  If it goest away soon, did UK make a big mistake on the long term big Saban-like contract for Calipari?

Why wouldn't Calipari still get top players? If anything, it might make him tougher quite frankly.

He's won a national title and lost a title game with a bunch of freshmen. Imagine if he had 2 or 3 years with those players.

over the next few years if the "no freshman playing" rule kicks in he will be golden

I am for the rule for players that do not meet HIGH academic standards for admission like a 2.75 GPA and a 900+ sat (I know I know those are really piss poor academic standards, but we are talking about "ballas" here so those are extraordinary for them)

and yes the SAT scored needs to be factored in otherwise there are about 10,000 high schools in the USA that will just give their "playas" a 2.75+ gpa even if they can't even spell their own name.......hell many already do

there is no chance that there will be a no freshman playing rule. NONE. That's just stupid to think that has any shot of ever happening.

(06-06-2014 08:46 AM)stever20 Wrote:  there is no chance that there will be a no freshman playing rule. NONE. That's just stupid to think that has any shot of ever happening.

it has already been a rule in the past and it is already being discussed again if the NBA will not move to take more HS kids and or the NBA does not move towards a "play 2 years" rule

I would prefer the NCAA act on their own and quit worrying about the NBA or their wants or needs and start concentrating on having NCAA players that can actually read and write and value a degree, but that will probably happen more slowly

(06-06-2014 09:05 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:46 AM)stever20 Wrote:  there is no chance that there will be a no freshman playing rule. NONE. That's just stupid to think that has any shot of ever happening.

it has already been a rule in the past and it is already being discussed again if the NBA will not move to take more HS kids and or the NBA does not move towards a "play 2 years" rule

I would prefer the NCAA act on their own and quit worrying about the NBA or their wants or needs and start concentrating on having NCAA players that can actually read and write and value a degree, but that will probably happen more slowly

It was a rule 40 years ago. There is NO chance of that rule EVER coming back. NONE. For one quite frankly, ESPN wouldn't let it happen.

(06-06-2014 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:14 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  If it goest away soon, did UK make a big mistake on the long term big Saban-like contract for Calipari?

Why wouldn't Calipari still get top players? If anything, it might make him tougher quite frankly.

He's won a national title and lost a title game with a bunch of freshmen. Imagine if he had 2 or 3 years with those players.

Some questions I have are:

1) Would players opt to go to Europe 2-3 years versus college?

2) How's he going to keep some of these guys in class and with good enough grades 2-3 years verus 1/2, which I doubt some even 1/2 now.

(06-06-2014 09:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 09:05 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:46 AM)stever20 Wrote:  there is no chance that there will be a no freshman playing rule. NONE. That's just stupid to think that has any shot of ever happening.

it has already been a rule in the past and it is already being discussed again if the NBA will not move to take more HS kids and or the NBA does not move towards a "play 2 years" rule

I would prefer the NCAA act on their own and quit worrying about the NBA or their wants or needs and start concentrating on having NCAA players that can actually read and write and value a degree, but that will probably happen more slowly

It was a rule 40 years ago. There is NO chance of that rule EVER coming back. NONE. For one quite frankly, ESPN wouldn't let it happen.

I agree. It's a total red herring lie that's being thrown out there by some college leaders in the midst of the debate about whether players should be receiving compensation. ESPN, CBS and Turner would completely flip out in that scenario and we all know the almighty dollar rules here. (And no one should think that ESPN, CBS and Turner don't care - they absolutely want to get the marquee players that are projected to be going high in the NBA Draft to be playing college ball.) I take any suggestion about the elimination of freshman eligibility about as seriously as the thought that the Big Ten would drop down to Division III if college athletes start getting paid (meaning that I don't take them seriously at all). We see all of this talk about autonomy and financial resources and people actually think the power conferences are going to enact reactionary and draconian rules that will essentially guarantee every elite basketball player coming out of high school will go to Europe? Riiiiight.

(06-06-2014 10:09 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:14 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  If it goest away soon, did UK make a big mistake on the long term big Saban-like contract for Calipari?

Why wouldn't Calipari still get top players? If anything, it might make him tougher quite frankly.

He's won a national title and lost a title game with a bunch of freshmen. Imagine if he had 2 or 3 years with those players.

Some questions I have are:

1) Would players opt to go to Europe 2-3 years versus college?

2) How's he going to keep some of these guys in class and with good enough grades 2-3 years verus 1/2, which I doubt some even 1/2 now.

Freshmen should spend more time in class since they now have to worry about being academically eligible as sophomores. Academics really haven't been an issue for UK though in basketball.

(06-06-2014 12:42 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 10:09 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:14 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  If it goest away soon, did UK make a big mistake on the long term big Saban-like contract for Calipari?

Why wouldn't Calipari still get top players? If anything, it might make him tougher quite frankly.

He's won a national title and lost a title game with a bunch of freshmen. Imagine if he had 2 or 3 years with those players.

Some questions I have are:

1) Would players opt to go to Europe 2-3 years versus college?

2) How's he going to keep some of these guys in class and with good enough grades 2-3 years verus 1/2, which I doubt some even 1/2 now.

Freshmen should spend more time in class since they now have to worry about being academically eligible as sophomores. Academics really haven't been an issue for UK though in basketball.

exactly how can there be claims that ESPN will not allow freshman to not play when ESPN now runs the risk of top programs not making it to the post season based on APR and teams with mush moufed one and done players that can avoid going to class the entire year they are in school because they are "goin uh pro" have the most APR risk

(06-06-2014 10:09 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 08:14 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  If it goest away soon, did UK make a big mistake on the long term big Saban-like contract for Calipari?

Why wouldn't Calipari still get top players? If anything, it might make him tougher quite frankly.

He's won a national title and lost a title game with a bunch of freshmen. Imagine if he had 2 or 3 years with those players.

Some questions I have are:

1) Would players opt to go to Europe 2-3 years versus college?

2) How's he going to keep some of these guys in class and with good enough grades 2-3 years verus 1/2, which I doubt some even 1/2 now.

Why would that be more of a problem for Calipari than any other coach? The year he won an NC with a bunch of freshmen, his team had an aggregate GPA of better than 3.0. Maybe not so surprising, since most of the kids on his teams are also heavily recruited by Duke.

Right, ken d and chargeradio. The vast majority of UK players come in as great students. Daniel Orton (Cal's first year) is the only one that really persisted against finishing strong that spring semester. Everyone else has completed that spring semester, and the team GPA is always in the 3.0 range. There have been a few exceptional guys as well, especially Brandon Knight. John Wall did really well, too. Of course, Patrick Patterson graduated in three years. UK is more or less like every other major basketball school that avoids academic issues, regardless of what Bobby Knight has ignorantly spouted in the recent past.