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(06-05-2014 11:09 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(06-05-2014 10:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think condemning Raegan over AIDS is like condemning the leaders of Genoa for the plague.

big difference is reagan had the resources to prevent its spread and chose not to.

So did the Genoese.

are you really being this naive?

do you really think these are comparable? one was a modern society that had a full understanding about how diseases worked and had procedures in place to keep new ones from coming out. On top of that reagan chose to tackle other diseases but outed one specifically because of the demographics it affected.

If you agree with your premise I could see how you think that. If you don't then it makes little sense. The trouble with your presentation is evidence isn't evidence or proof of its own validity here.

disease X killed less than 50 people. disease Y killed over 1000

and yet disease Y got 9x more funding than disease X

can you please fucken explain that?????
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(06-05-2014 11:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

Unprotected sex has been dangerous since the beginning. Everyone knew that. While AIDS may not have been an epidemic, most other STDs were.
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(06-05-2014 11:12 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:09 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:04 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:01 AM)john01992 Wrote:  big difference is reagan had the resources to prevent its spread and chose not to.

So did the Genoese.

are you really being this naive?

do you really think these are comparable? one was a modern society that had a full understanding about how diseases worked and had procedures in place to keep new ones from coming out. On top of that reagan chose to tackle other diseases but outed one specifically because of the demographics it affected.

If you agree with your premise I could see how you think that. If you don't then it makes little sense. The trouble with your presentation is evidence isn't evidence or proof of its own validity here.

disease X killed less than 50 people. disease Y killed over 1000

and yet disease Y got 9x more funding than disease X

can you please fucken explain that?????

Weren't people still thinking it was linked to Cancer?
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(06-05-2014 11:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

Unprotected sex has been dangerous since the beginning. Everyone knew that. While AIDS may not have been an epidemic, most other STDs were.

that is like trying to justify what GM did with those car keys by saying "well we knew for a long time that cars were dangerous"
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Quote:and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

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(06-05-2014 11:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:12 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:09 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:04 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So did the Genoese.

are you really being this naive?

do you really think these are comparable? one was a modern society that had a full understanding about how diseases worked and had procedures in place to keep new ones from coming out. On top of that reagan chose to tackle other diseases but outed one specifically because of the demographics it affected.

If you agree with your premise I could see how you think that. If you don't then it makes little sense. The trouble with your presentation is evidence isn't evidence or proof of its own validity here.

disease X killed less than 50 people. disease Y killed over 1000

and yet disease Y got 9x more funding than disease X

can you please fucken explain that?????

Weren't people still thinking it was linked to Cancer?

what does that have to do with it?

just because we don't know much about a brand new disease doesn't mean we shouldn't put research money into it.

and from the onset they knew the cause was immune deficiency, it was reported as gay cancer because that is what ultimately killed them and raised a huge red flag for the CDC.
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(06-05-2014 11:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:08 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 10:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 10:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Why are we talking about GRID?

because we are talking about the so called "one of the greatest americans ever"

what reagan did can be argued as genocidal. while I don't particularly agree with that in certain belongs in its own grouping below that along with the Irish Potato Famine.

Yeah, b/c he held a gun to people's head and forced them to have unprotected sex.

and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

That's a president's responsibility? Are you serious with this ****? When that was discovered (early 80s) to be THE major cause of the transmission of AIDS, pretty much everybody knew you were playing Russian Roulette. It's not his fault people couldn't control their urges and wait.
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(06-05-2014 11:17 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:12 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:09 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  are you really being this naive?

do you really think these are comparable? one was a modern society that had a full understanding about how diseases worked and had procedures in place to keep new ones from coming out. On top of that reagan chose to tackle other diseases but outed one specifically because of the demographics it affected.

If you agree with your premise I could see how you think that. If you don't then it makes little sense. The trouble with your presentation is evidence isn't evidence or proof of its own validity here.

disease X killed less than 50 people. disease Y killed over 1000

and yet disease Y got 9x more funding than disease X

can you please fucken explain that?????

Weren't people still thinking it was linked to Cancer?

what does that have to do with it?

just because we don't know much about a brand new disease doesn't mean we shouldn't put research money into it.

and from the onset they knew the cause was immune deficiency, it was reported as gay cancer because that is what ultimately killed them and raised a huge red flag for the CDC.

According to some of the early research much of the AIDS research was brought under Cancer research because they believed Cancer was caused by a virus.

I think you'll find that cancer research exploded and some AIDS research was done, mistakenly, under cancer funds.
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(06-05-2014 11:18 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:08 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 10:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 10:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Why are we talking about GRID?

because we are talking about the so called "one of the greatest americans ever"

what reagan did can be argued as genocidal. while I don't particularly agree with that in certain belongs in its own grouping below that along with the Irish Potato Famine.

Yeah, b/c he held a gun to people's head and forced them to have unprotected sex.

and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

That's a president's responsibility? Are you serious with this ****? When that was discovered (early 80s) to be THE major cause of the transmission of AIDS, pretty much everybody knew you were playing Russian Roulette. It's not his fault people couldn't control their urges and wait.

hell fucken yeah. how many times have we have federally funded awareness campaigns. especially when it is something that is a public health risk?

are you out of your fucken mind here? the surgeon general himself requested it.
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(06-05-2014 11:20 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:18 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:08 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 10:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  because we are talking about the so called "one of the greatest americans ever"

what reagan did can be argued as genocidal. while I don't particularly agree with that in certain belongs in its own grouping below that along with the Irish Potato Famine.

Yeah, b/c he held a gun to people's head and forced them to have unprotected sex.

and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

That's a president's responsibility? Are you serious with this ****? When that was discovered (early 80s) to be THE major cause of the transmission of AIDS, pretty much everybody knew you were playing Russian Roulette. It's not his fault people couldn't control their urges and wait.

hell fucken yeah. how many times have we have federally funded awareness campaigns. especially when it is something that is a public health risk?

are you out of your fucken mind here? the surgeon general himself requested it.

I don't care how many times we've funded awareness campaigns. Chances are, I don't agree with those either. It's easily one of the most preventable diseases in the world. Pretty simple way to not get infected.
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(06-05-2014 11:20 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:17 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:12 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:09 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If you agree with your premise I could see how you think that. If you don't then it makes little sense. The trouble with your presentation is evidence isn't evidence or proof of its own validity here.

disease X killed less than 50 people. disease Y killed over 1000

and yet disease Y got 9x more funding than disease X

can you please fucken explain that?????

Weren't people still thinking it was linked to Cancer?

what does that have to do with it?

just because we don't know much about a brand new disease doesn't mean we shouldn't put research money into it.

and from the onset they knew the cause was immune deficiency, it was reported as gay cancer because that is what ultimately killed them and raised a huge red flag for the CDC.

According to some of the early research much of the AIDS research was brought under Cancer research because they believed Cancer was caused by a virus.

I think you'll find that cancer research exploded and some AIDS research was done, mistakenly, under cancer funds.

you are talking about a period of gay cancer that lasted for a very short time. 2-3 months at best when it was thought to be a cancer. the 4-H & GRID stages were by far the biggest Pre-AIDS stages
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(06-05-2014 11:20 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:18 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:08 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 10:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  because we are talking about the so called "one of the greatest americans ever"

what reagan did can be argued as genocidal. while I don't particularly agree with that in certain belongs in its own grouping below that along with the Irish Potato Famine.

Yeah, b/c he held a gun to people's head and forced them to have unprotected sex.

and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

That's a president's responsibility? Are you serious with this ****? When that was discovered (early 80s) to be THE major cause of the transmission of AIDS, pretty much everybody knew you were playing Russian Roulette. It's not his fault people couldn't control their urges and wait.

hell fucken yeah. how many times have we have federally funded awareness campaigns. especially when it is something that is a public health risk?

are you out of your fucken mind here? the surgeon general himself requested it.

So you know sticking your tallywacker up another mans a$$ could possible kill you, but your "innate desires" cause you to do it anyway. But if Ronald Regan had told you not to stick your tallywacker up another mans a$$ your would have stopped immediately? 01-wingedeagle
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(06-05-2014 11:23 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:20 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:17 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:12 AM)john01992 Wrote:  disease X killed less than 50 people. disease Y killed over 1000

and yet disease Y got 9x more funding than disease X

can you please fucken explain that?????

Weren't people still thinking it was linked to Cancer?

what does that have to do with it?

just because we don't know much about a brand new disease doesn't mean we shouldn't put research money into it.

and from the onset they knew the cause was immune deficiency, it was reported as gay cancer because that is what ultimately killed them and raised a huge red flag for the CDC.

According to some of the early research much of the AIDS research was brought under Cancer research because they believed Cancer was caused by a virus.

I think you'll find that cancer research exploded and some AIDS research was done, mistakenly, under cancer funds.

you are talking about a period of gay cancer that lasted for a very short time. 2-3 months at best when it was thought to be a cancer. the 4-H & GRID stages were by far the biggest Pre-AIDS stages

Yea, but they called it gay cancer because it caused certain forms. That's unrelated to the thought process that led some to think that by discovering the HIV virus was a step towards finding the virus that was causing other forms of cancer.

Regardless, there was a 3-4 year period where the consensus was the two things were linked.
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(06-05-2014 11:22 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:20 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:18 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:08 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Yeah, b/c he held a gun to people's head and forced them to have unprotected sex.

and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

That's a president's responsibility? Are you serious with this ****? When that was discovered (early 80s) to be THE major cause of the transmission of AIDS, pretty much everybody knew you were playing Russian Roulette. It's not his fault people couldn't control their urges and wait.

hell fucken yeah. how many times have we have federally funded awareness campaigns. especially when it is something that is a public health risk?

are you out of your fucken mind here? the surgeon general himself requested it.

I don't care how many times we've funded awareness campaigns. Chances are, I don't agree with those either. It's easily one of the most preventable diseases in the world. Pretty simple way to not get infected.

yeah so your mantra is: "we live in a perfect society screw realists"

and if you disagree with a public awareness campaign then you just made one of the biggest contradictions that I have ever seen.

i have no idea how someone with a straight face could say it is easily curable by having safe sex, all people should do is just have safe sex and that will be it. then say but we shouldn't tell anyone that the fix to this is safe sex.
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(06-05-2014 10:12 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I guess some partisan hacks would rather ignore his failed war on drugs, the crash of our economy as a result of his failed conservative policies that got pinned on his successor, avoided blame for the biggest scandal since watergate, blocking sanctions on south africa, and the granddaddy of them all:

ignoring the AIDS crisis and not giving it the proper funding or awareness.

Wow. You really are a mouthpiece product of whatever moron is feeding you your lines. Where you even alive during his terms as President? I doubt it, cause if you were you wouldn't recognize this place these days.

We weren't a bunch of self-absorbed, me first whiners that whined about everything and everybody. America was a proud place to be and you were proud to say so. Out LOUD.

Economic success we can only dream of today, Foreign policy success that literally changed the world and the largest increase in the funding of AIDS research and development of drugs to battle this new "Syndrome" to that point in time.

We're experiencing the spectacular failures of yet again, another hapless, hopeless, feckless buffoon using the White House as his own little social petri dish. Thinking the issues that matter to Americans revolve around social experiments, gay folks in foxholes and punishing achievement.

Talk about taking your eye off the ball, this current cabal is a wrecked liner taking on water faster than the Titanic. The rats are fleeing the ship about as fast as they can pack their bags.
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(06-05-2014 11:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:23 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:20 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:17 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Weren't people still thinking it was linked to Cancer?

what does that have to do with it?

just because we don't know much about a brand new disease doesn't mean we shouldn't put research money into it.

and from the onset they knew the cause was immune deficiency, it was reported as gay cancer because that is what ultimately killed them and raised a huge red flag for the CDC.

According to some of the early research much of the AIDS research was brought under Cancer research because they believed Cancer was caused by a virus.

I think you'll find that cancer research exploded and some AIDS research was done, mistakenly, under cancer funds.

you are talking about a period of gay cancer that lasted for a very short time. 2-3 months at best when it was thought to be a cancer. the 4-H & GRID stages were by far the biggest Pre-AIDS stages

Yea, but they called it gay cancer because it caused certain forms. That's unrelated to the thought process that led some to think that by discovering the HIV virus was a step towards finding the virus that was causing other forms of cancer.

Regardless, there was a 3-4 year period where the consensus was the two things were linked.

that is a complete fabrication. it was discovered when 41 homosexuals were all affected with a very rare form of cancer. After that the notion that it was a form of cancer quickly died out when it reached the "4H" consensus by 1981 and then the GRID stage later. The term AIDS came out in 1982

so that right there should give a pretty good idea of how false that notion is
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(06-05-2014 11:32 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 10:12 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I guess some partisan hacks would rather ignore his failed war on drugs, the crash of our economy as a result of his failed conservative policies that got pinned on his successor, avoided blame for the biggest scandal since watergate, blocking sanctions on south africa, and the granddaddy of them all:

ignoring the AIDS crisis and not giving it the proper funding or awareness.

Wow. You really are a mouthpiece product of whatever moron is feeding you your lines. Where you even alive during his terms as President? I doubt it, cause if you were you wouldn't recognize this place these days.

We weren't a bunch of self-absorbed, me first whiners that whined about everything and everybody. America was a proud place to be and you were proud to say so. Out LOUD.

Economic success we can only dream of today, Foreign policy success that literally changed the world and the largest increase in the funding of AIDS research and development of drugs to battle this new "Syndrome" to that point in time.

We're experiencing the spectacular failures of yet again, another hapless, hopeless, feckless buffoon using the White House as his own little social petri dish. Thinking the issues that matter to Americans revolve around social experiments, gay folks in foxholes and punishing achievement.

Talk about taking your eye off the ball, this current cabal is a wrecked liner taking on water faster than the Titanic. The rats are fleeing the ship about as fast as they can pack their bags.

lol this post is a joke.

reagan cut AIDS funding shortly after making his first public statement on it. and if you mean "largest funding increase" as raising it from the joke $1 million then you are out of your mind.
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(06-05-2014 11:25 AM)bevotex Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:20 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:18 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:08 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Yeah, b/c he held a gun to people's head and forced them to have unprotected sex.

and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

That's a president's responsibility? Are you serious with this ****? When that was discovered (early 80s) to be THE major cause of the transmission of AIDS, pretty much everybody knew you were playing Russian Roulette. It's not his fault people couldn't control their urges and wait.

hell fucken yeah. how many times have we have federally funded awareness campaigns. especially when it is something that is a public health risk?

are you out of your fucken mind here? the surgeon general himself requested it.

So you know sticking your tallywacker up another mans a$$ could possible kill you, but your "innate desires" cause you to do it anyway. But if Ronald Regan had told you not to stick your tallywacker up another mans a$$ your would have stopped immediately? 01-wingedeagle

not in those words but yeah. remember that in 1985 the public had very little idea about how the disease was spread. remember the ryan white fiasco?

and you think that there is absolutely no reason to change that?
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(06-05-2014 11:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:22 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:20 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:18 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 11:10 AM)john01992 Wrote:  and at the same time when he knew that having unprotected sex was dangerous he did absolutely nothing to encourage people to stop doing it.

That's a president's responsibility? Are you serious with this ****? When that was discovered (early 80s) to be THE major cause of the transmission of AIDS, pretty much everybody knew you were playing Russian Roulette. It's not his fault people couldn't control their urges and wait.

hell fucken yeah. how many times have we have federally funded awareness campaigns. especially when it is something that is a public health risk?

are you out of your fucken mind here? the surgeon general himself requested it.

I don't care how many times we've funded awareness campaigns. Chances are, I don't agree with those either. It's easily one of the most preventable diseases in the world. Pretty simple way to not get infected.

yeah so your mantra is: "we live in a perfect society screw realists"

and if you disagree with a public awareness campaign then you just made one of the biggest contradictions that I have ever seen.

i have no idea how someone with a straight face could say it is easily curable by having safe sex, all people should do is just have safe sex and that will be it. then say but we shouldn't tell anyone that the fix to this is safe sex.

My mantra is more like - "Actions have consequences." I'm saying that basically everybody knew how you got it in the early 80's. There WERE public awareness campaigns, I just don't see a need on going overboard on spending on them. I remember them from when I was a kid.

I also said nothing about a cure either.
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