(06-06-2014 06:49 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I agree that Kelly isn't an ACC coach. ND is a football independent. You guys seem to agree with that.

Just remember that the next time someone wants to say "ND really isn't an independent." :)

Then negotiate your own bowl deals and quit leeching off the ACC.

The correct term is Notre Dame is a parasite.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite

Quote:par·a·site
[par-uh-sahyt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2.
a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3.
(in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc.

It's pretty to tough to rate them fairly, since only four of them have coached more than four seasons in the ACC. That's relevant, since most people rank David Cutcliffe in the upper half of the league's coaches despite the fact that in the first five of his six seasons his best league finish was a tie for 5th out of 6 teams in the Coastal Division.

Take Beamer out of the mix, and the average tenure of the remaining 13 coaches is less than 3 seasons. I wonder if there is another P5 conference even close to that.

(06-07-2014 09:56 AM)ken d Wrote:  It's pretty to tough to rate them fairly, since only four of them have coached more than four seasons in the ACC. That's relevant, since most people rank David Cutcliffe in the upper half of the league's coaches despite the fact that in the first five of his six seasons his best league finish was a tie for 5th out of 6 teams in the Coastal Division.

Take Beamer out of the mix, and the average tenure of the remaining 13 coaches is less than 3 seasons. I wonder if there is another P5 conference even close to that.

Big 10 might be close. Rutgers, Maryland, OSU, Michigan, Penn St all have coaches whos tenures are 4 years or less. Maybe several others.

(06-07-2014 11:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-07-2014 09:56 AM)ken d Wrote:  It's pretty to tough to rate them fairly, since only four of them have coached more than four seasons in the ACC. That's relevant, since most people rank David Cutcliffe in the upper half of the league's coaches despite the fact that in the first five of his six seasons his best league finish was a tie for 5th out of 6 teams in the Coastal Division.

Take Beamer out of the mix, and the average tenure of the remaining 13 coaches is less than 3 seasons. I wonder if there is another P5 conference even close to that.

Big 10 might be close. Rutgers, Maryland, OSU, Michigan, Penn St all have coaches whos tenures are 4 years or less. Maybe several others.

Right on. The B1G also has only four coaches with a tenure longer than three seasons. If you take out their dean, Kirk Ferentz of Iowa, the remaining 13 coaches have a combined tenure of 41 seasons, compared with the ACC's 36 seasons. That coaching carousel sure spins fast.

I doubt it's a coincidence that the B1G and the ACC have the weakest overall performance among the P5 over the past few years.

(06-07-2014 11:21 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-07-2014 09:56 AM)ken d Wrote:  It's pretty to tough to rate them fairly, since only four of them have coached more than four seasons in the ACC. That's relevant, since most people rank David Cutcliffe in the upper half of the league's coaches despite the fact that in the first five of his six seasons his best league finish was a tie for 5th out of 6 teams in the Coastal Division.

Take Beamer out of the mix, and the average tenure of the remaining 13 coaches is less than 3 seasons. I wonder if there is another P5 conference even close to that.

Big 10 might be close. Rutgers, Maryland, OSU, Michigan, Penn St all have coaches whos tenures are 4 years or less. Maybe several others.

Wow. When one actually researches the data, you can come up with some startling facts. In all of FBS, there are only 30 head coaches with a tenure of five years or more. Using the same metric as above, where you take out the dean from each conference, the average tenure of the remaining coaches is as follows:

MAC 1.5
MWC 1.7
SUN 1.9
PAC 2.0
USA 2.1
AAC 2.2
ACC 2.6
TEN 3.2
SEC 4.1
XII 5.0

70 FBS head coaches have 2 years' seniority or less.

Amazing.

(06-06-2014 08:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 06:49 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I agree that Kelly isn't an ACC coach. ND is a football independent. You guys seem to agree with that.

Just remember that the next time someone wants to say "ND really isn't an independent." :)

Then negotiate your own bowl deals and quit leeching off the ACC.

The correct term is Notre Dame is a parasite.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite

Quote:par·a·site
[par-uh-sahyt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2.
a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3.
(in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc.

Clemson is a parasite who leaches off the ACC TV contract. Clemson would make very little TV network dollars on its own.

Almost no one outside of South Carolina (and not everyone inside) cares about Clemson athletics.

Clemson couldn't get a "Notre Dame deal" even if it wanted to very badly and tried really, really hard to get one.