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RE: Could the Axis powers have won WWII????
(06-04-2014 04:21 PM)FuzzyHasek Wrote:  allow the Me262 to enter production on time in '42 before the P51D was able to be mass produced
Continued attacking RAF Airfield instead of city bombing, the RAF itself estimated it had about 6mo left until they switched bombing sites

Japan was defeated by the way its flag officers understood their honor code. They never instituted the convoy system and the different branches were unable to operate effectively together because the flag officers would lie about available resources

The war was won with US mass production, allowed by geography and technological limits of the day. The German Army was far better trained and capable then any it faced, its fatal flaw was a lack of logistical capacity.

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RE: Could the Axis powers have won WWII????
Two reasons why the Axis ultimately lost: Germany invaded Russia, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. Russia and Germany had an untrusted alliance and would've stayed that way, and Japan should've never brought the US into the war.
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RE: Could the Axis powers have won WWII????
Mein Kampf basically stated that invading the Soviet Union was inevitable. Defeating the Soviet Union hinged on literally killing Stalin. Cutting the head off of that snake would have been highly unlikely. Germany, under Hitler, was doomed.

I always wonder how delaying Barbarossa for even a year would have changed things. Bypassing Stalingrad and cutting it off instead of turning it into a deciding "meatgrinder" would have changed things as well. Taking Moscow as quickly as possible, before Winter, might have captured/killed Stalin.

Always a fascinating subject.
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(06-04-2014 04:37 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Mein Kampf basically stated that invading the Soviet Union was inevitable. Defeating the Soviet Union hinged on literally killing Stalin. Cutting the head off of that snake would have been highly unlikely. Germany, under Hitler, was doomed.

I always wonder how delaying Barbarossa for even a year would have changed things. Bypassing Stalingrad and cutting it off instead of turning it into a deciding "meatgrinder" would have changed things as well. Taking Moscow as quickly as possible, before Winter, might have captured/killed Stalin.

Always a fascinating subject.

It's interesting they got so close (or got in) to Leningrad, Moscow, and Stalingrad, without taking any of them. As it is though they were lucky that Stalin had purged so many experienced officers and then refused to prepare his forces optimally for defense due, apparently, to concerns of provoking the Germans.
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(06-04-2014 03:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's worth pointing out that the invasion of France stretched the Wehrmacht to its breaking point. It cost the German forces dearly, as you'd expect given the fact that it was a David v. Goliath fight where the German victory was a complete and utter shock.

Hitler's plans to invade the UK were considered unrealistic by many in the Wehrmacht even before the Battle of Britain.
And of course Hitler did not want to attack Britain. He did offer them peace with Britain keeping it's overseas colonies and Hitler having control of Europe.
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RE: Could the Axis powers have won WWII????
(06-04-2014 04:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(06-04-2014 03:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's worth pointing out that the invasion of France stretched the Wehrmacht to its breaking point. It cost the German forces dearly, as you'd expect given the fact that it was a David v. Goliath fight where the German victory was a complete and utter shock.

Hitler's plans to invade the UK were considered unrealistic by many in the Wehrmacht even before the Battle of Britain.
And of course Hitler did not want to attack Britain. He did offer them peace with Britain keeping it's overseas colonies and Hitler having control of Europe.

Pretty much. Hitler banked a lot on the British taking their defeat the first round in France as reason to not mess with Germany, and that they would quickly sign for peace. Hitler would then do the same with the US, and he would then have the time he needed to really control Western Europe and expand his own empire.

Ultimately though he had to take Russia to have any shot at winning the war, and there was no way he would be able to do that. Britain managed to carry on underground rebellions in Europe, and keep the public happy at home, and then the War was over the minute Japan brought the US Into the mess.

If Britain had ever been invaded, the US would have immediately went to war...so Germany's only hope was that both countries would choose to stay out of Europe and mind their own business.

Thankfully, Hitler only real gift was of speech. He was a terrible Military strategist, and his Ego meant it was his way or the highway.
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RE: Could the Axis powers have won WWII????
Dumbest thing Hitler did:

Declare war on the Soviet Union before finishing off Britain.

Second dumbest thing Hitler did:

Declare war on the United States when he didn't have to.
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RE: Could the Axis powers have won WWII????
One of the dumbest things the Germans did was dramatically underestimate the quality and strategic prowess of the Italian navy.
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(06-05-2014 02:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  One of the dumbest things the Germans did was dramatically underestimate the quality and strategic prowess of the Italian navy.

did you get that right?
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(06-05-2014 03:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-05-2014 02:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  One of the dumbest things the Germans did was dramatically underestimate the quality and strategic prowess of the Italian navy.

did you get that right?

What?
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