(06-04-2014 12:37 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 08:40 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Ummm ... everyone thought your fans were saying SBC. Stop trying to find things to ***** about

Then Im assuming everyone was wishfully thinking.

Find a mod for your Scout board, Im tired of reading about the UL successes on your page.

Z

Somebody have a gun to your head making you visit that website?

(06-05-2014 03:30 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 03:21 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 01:05 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  I thought I heard an SEC chant mocking Miss State, but everywhere I read said they were chanting SBC.... unless he was there, I would cut him some slack

If you mean the OP, he absolutely was there.

I meant good old Karl Benson

Benson was probably too busy playing golf in California rather than supporting a team that is playing in the post season helping his conference gain recognition.

Hope the newbies realize that most of bashing of your commissioner is primarily by the poster that really are just mad their team is still in the SBC.

Just remember if the member schools did not like the job he was doing he would not be your commissioner, and being the commissioner of a conference where every team was doing everything it could( and at least one still is) , to get out is not easy.

I think he more than earned his pay.

(06-05-2014 07:57 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Hope the newbies realize that most of bashing of your commissioner is primarily by the poster that really are just mad their team is still in the SBC.

I'm mad that the conference office, and the person that runs it, that thought it was a great idea to password protect the conference bylaws so they couldn't be viewed by fans or reporters.

That and other things.

Out of all our years in the Sun Belt, I've never heard one school chant SBC.

If you were watching the game on ESPN3, when Mississippi State had a big play they would start chanting SEC. It was so obvious that when we had a good play that we were mocking them.

Can anyone on here say they ever heard a Sun Belt school chant SBC. We should've had part of the crowd say SEC and the other part say OVER RATED.

Out of their 8 schools in regionals, only 2 remain. I guess we are going to have to be the SEC killer. We are 5-1 against the SEC with a Regional finals win against Mississippi State, next Ole Miss, then Vanderbilt in the CWS if they make it.

(06-05-2014 07:57 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Hope the newbies realize that most of bashing of your commissioner is primarily by the poster that really are just mad their team is still in the SBC.

Just remember if the member schools did not like the job he was doing he would not be your commissioner, and being the commissioner of a conference where every team was doing everything it could( and at least one still is) , to get out is not easy.

I think he more than earned his pay.

It has more to do with the fact that Benson has repeatedly spit in the face of the two current "cash cow" programs in the Sun Belt.

He has routinely pissed off the stAte bunch, password protected bylaws. The referencing debacle, stAte admins were not happy about that one either. For Louisiana fans, he does not highlight our accomplishments, instead he talks about the strength of the league. I am sorry, but while in the WAC he touted Boise as the next greatest thing since sliced bread. I am not saying that we are Boise or that the Sun Belt has also ran programs, but you promote the hell out of your current marquee programs to improve the brand, not the other way around.

If Troy or South Alabama were in a super regional and all the talk out of the commissioners office were about what a solid league we have with Louisiana, Texas St and the new comers and how excited he is for the future of the Sun Belt you guys would be pretty pissed off. Not that having a CONSENSUS #1 RANKED BASEBALL TEAM would be worthy of bragging.

(06-04-2014 08:41 AM)runninjoe Wrote:  I have not been happy since the day I found out about Benson. He drove the WAC into the ground and then we hired him. Can you imagine that happening in the private sector? In addition, he doesn't even seem like a nice guy, which one would think would at least be the requisite for being so incompetent.

No one and I mean no one could have saved the WAC once Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada left. Truth is I think it was a mistake on their part. Benson did try to get UNT, ULL and Ark State. He may have went down in the WAC but he went down swinging. But so would anyone else that was in his shoes.

(06-05-2014 08:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 07:57 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Hope the newbies realize that most of bashing of your commissioner is primarily by the poster that really are just mad their team is still in the SBC.

I'm mad that the conference office, and the person that runs it, that thought it was a great idea to password protect the conference bylaws so they couldn't be viewed by fans or reporters.

That and other things.

Would think the conference bylaws would be available online.
Guess someone has something to hide or afraid fans will have too much knowledge.

They did a great job on the rebranding. I figured it would be a disaster.

He needs to concentrate on improving the conference and giving members a reason to be happy. If he does that then the membership issue will take care of itself and he also won't have to worry about hiding or covering anything.

I once had a discussion with a guy complaining about the commissioner of his conference and he listed all the bum steer commissioners his league had suffered through. My response was the problem was more likely the members than the commissioner.

I've listened to coaches complain about the commissioner and "the league" shoving some stupid policy on them when the president of the school or the AD voted for it, and in a few cases was the one who proposed it.

The SEC isn't a beast because of Mike Slive, it is a beast because it is so strong that a school like Tennessee that could be a bell cow in the ACC or Big XII is very mediocre by SEC standards.

I find it amusing that people talk about Benson running the WAC into the ground but Bankowsky has lost more schools over in CUSA than Benson did in the same amount of time. When the TV economy changed and the front range schools of the WAC plus BYU and Utah came to the conclusion they were worth more on their own and it was more important to preserve gate receipt driving rivalries the WAC was done for because of the geography. A league with a footprint like a doughnut just isn't one you can hold together.

That said, the BS of adopting football regulations and then trying to ditch them for whatever bizarre reason and telling/implying to GoDaddy that AState had been accomodated was ridiculous, we stuck to our guns in 2001 despite the bowl involved that time howling about the decision. I cannot respect that.

The hubris of thinking the league office could resolve the great Louisiana name debate by publicly releasing what had always been an internal use only document (yet making private the rules governing football) was beyond belief. Then on top of that how tone deaf was it to say "We have to ASU's and work that out"? You don't have two ASU's. You have two schools who COULD call themselves ASU but both have savvy enough leadership to know that in the modern era where Google, Twitter, and Facebook are the most common jumping off points to find something that Arizona State dominates searches for "ASU" so neither markets that way in order to avoid getting lost in searches, not a comparable situation.

(06-05-2014 11:28 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They did a great job on the rebranding. I figured it would be a disaster.

He needs to concentrate on improving the conference and giving members a reason to be happy. If he does that then the membership issue will take care of itself and he also won't have to worry about hiding or covering anything.

There really isn't a lot that a conference office can do to improve a conference. It's up to the membership to set high standards for their coaches and hold them to it, to provide adequate budgets, to hold their conference mates accountable and support conference rules that institutionalize those expectations.

(06-05-2014 11:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:28 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They did a great job on the rebranding. I figured it would be a disaster.

He needs to concentrate on improving the conference and giving members a reason to be happy. If he does that then the membership issue will take care of itself and he also won't have to worry about hiding or covering anything.

There really isn't a lot that a conference office can do to improve a conference. It's up to the membership to set high standards for their coaches and hold them to it, to provide adequate budgets, to hold their conference mates accountable and support conference rules that institutionalize those expectations.

Hope they at least have access to the conference rules.

(06-05-2014 11:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  There really isn't a lot that a conference office can do to improve a conference. It's up to the membership to set high standards for their coaches and hold them to it, to provide adequate budgets, to hold their conference mates accountable and support conference rules that institutionalize those expectations.

And we constantly find ourselves in a conference with members who refuse to do those things.

Why don't we hit the reset button?

(06-05-2014 08:59 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 07:57 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Hope the newbies realize that most of bashing of your commissioner is primarily by the poster that really are just mad their team is still in the SBC.

Just remember if the member schools did not like the job he was doing he would not be your commissioner, and being the commissioner of a conference where every team was doing everything it could( and at least one still is) , to get out is not easy.

I think he more than earned his pay.

It has more to do with the fact that Benson has repeatedly spit in the face of the two current "cash cow" programs in the Sun Belt.

He has routinely pissed off the stAte bunch, password protected bylaws. The referencing debacle, stAte admins were not happy about that one either. For Louisiana fans, he does not highlight our accomplishments, instead he talks about the strength of the league. I am sorry, but while in the WAC he touted Boise as the next greatest thing since sliced bread. I am not saying that we are Boise or that the Sun Belt has also ran programs, but you promote the hell out of your current marquee programs to improve the brand, not the other way around.

If Troy or South Alabama were in a super regional and all the talk out of the commissioners office were about what a solid league we have with Louisiana, Texas St and the new comers and how excited he is for the future of the Sun Belt you guys would be pretty pissed off. Not that having a CONSENSUS #1 RANKED BASEBALL TEAM would be worthy of bragging.

This is mentioned over and over. And, I get it--transparency and all. But, honestly, I've never thought to check into a conference's by-laws. Is the SBC the only conference with password-protect by-laws on its website?

I'm assuming I fit the "newbie" profile, and I readily admit that I don't know much of what Karl did before "inviting" App State. Has he really been the Bud Selig of college conference commissioners?

(06-06-2014 12:06 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:28 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They did a great job on the rebranding. I figured it would be a disaster.

He needs to concentrate on improving the conference and giving members a reason to be happy. If he does that then the membership issue will take care of itself and he also won't have to worry about hiding or covering anything.

There really isn't a lot that a conference office can do to improve a conference. It's up to the membership to set high standards for their coaches and hold them to it, to provide adequate budgets, to hold their conference mates accountable and support conference rules that institutionalize those expectations.

Hope they at least have access to the conference rules.

I get the effect of making such a statement, but I'm quite sure that the Presidents and AD's have that access.

(06-05-2014 10:04 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 08:41 AM)runninjoe Wrote:  I have not been happy since the day I found out about Benson. He drove the WAC into the ground and then we hired him. Can you imagine that happening in the private sector? In addition, he doesn't even seem like a nice guy, which one would think would at least be the requisite for being so incompetent.

No one and I mean no one could have saved the WAC once Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada left. Truth is I think it was a mistake on their part. Benson did try to get UNT, ULL and Ark State. He may have went down in the WAC but he went down swinging. But so would anyone else that was in his shoes.

Benson tried to save the WAC the best that any commissioner could. He tried to get Montana and Montana State they didn't want or couldn't move up. Texas State, UTA and UTSA were invited...it wasn't enough. There aren't enough schools in the west to save the WAC in football.
Basically, Benson saved the Sunbelt football from folding also. You guys were getting decimated by CUSA and were basically down to 6 football schools like the WAC was. Good thing he was able to help save the Sunbelt and give the president's the direction to get the Sunbelt where it is now.

(06-06-2014 09:39 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  There really isn't a lot that a conference office can do to improve a conference. It's up to the membership to set high standards for their coaches and hold them to it, to provide adequate budgets, to hold their conference mates accountable and support conference rules that institutionalize those expectations.

And we constantly find ourselves in a conference with members who refuse to do those things.

Why don't we hit the reset button?

Specifically, who?

Mr. Benson did NOT "save" the SUN BELT.He has been competent .(see folks-I'm a WKU fan and am still defending the SBC).

(06-06-2014 12:37 PM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 12:06 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:28 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They did a great job on the rebranding. I figured it would be a disaster.

He needs to concentrate on improving the conference and giving members a reason to be happy. If he does that then the membership issue will take care of itself and he also won't have to worry about hiding or covering anything.

There really isn't a lot that a conference office can do to improve a conference. It's up to the membership to set high standards for their coaches and hold them to it, to provide adequate budgets, to hold their conference mates accountable and support conference rules that institutionalize those expectations.

Hope they at least have access to the conference rules.

I get the effect of making such a statement, but I'm quite sure that the Presidents and AD's have that access.

Fans had that access, reporters had that access. Then someone wanted to hide something. You try to treat people like mushrooms they don't appreciate it. That includes fans and reporters.

(06-06-2014 02:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 12:37 PM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 12:06 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:28 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  They did a great job on the rebranding. I figured it would be a disaster.

He needs to concentrate on improving the conference and giving members a reason to be happy. If he does that then the membership issue will take care of itself and he also won't have to worry about hiding or covering anything.

There really isn't a lot that a conference office can do to improve a conference. It's up to the membership to set high standards for their coaches and hold them to it, to provide adequate budgets, to hold their conference mates accountable and support conference rules that institutionalize those expectations.

Hope they at least have access to the conference rules.

I get the effect of making such a statement, but I'm quite sure that the Presidents and AD's have that access.

Fans had that access, reporters had that access. Then someone wanted to hide something. You try to treat people like mushrooms they don't appreciate it. That includes fans and reporters.

Ok, so are you saying that the Presidents and AD's do not have access to the conference's by-laws as implied by GoApps70? If so, I think that's ridiculous.

I have no idea why the by-laws are password-protected. I also have never even thought to look for a college conference's by-laws. I'm honestly surprised at the amount of posters that are upset about the by-laws not being available on the website. I mean, I'm all for transparency so I think they should make them available, just surprised at the interest in the by-laws.