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HUGE Loss
Assistant Jordan Mincy leaving basketball program for La Tech. Great recruiter and PG coach. I'm concerned about losing so many assistants on a regular basis.

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06-03-2014 04:57 AM
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Me too, need stability to stay on top, Mincy was a terrific asst coach who soon will be a head coach somewhere. Wonder why he took a lateral move?
06-03-2014 05:28 AM
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Also leaving is Michael Bennett, director of basketball operations.
06-03-2014 07:00 AM
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(06-03-2014 05:28 AM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Me too, need stability to stay on top, Mincy was a terrific asst coach who soon will be a head coach somewhere. Wonder why he took a lateral move?

Jason Kemp took a lateral move as well, to be an assistant at Ohio.
06-03-2014 07:06 AM
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(06-03-2014 07:06 AM)Dwight Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 05:28 AM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Me too, need stability to stay on top, Mincy was a terrific asst coach who soon will be a head coach somewhere. Wonder why he took a lateral move?

Jason Kemp took a lateral move as well, to be an assistant at Ohio.

Kemp was an asst coach at North Dakota for years, and OU's new coach is the former North Dakota HC. So that is understandable. Just like last year AT left to go to UMKC because I believe it was his best friend was hired as the HC.
06-03-2014 07:09 AM
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These guys have friends.....they want to be head coaches some day. Trying to position their careers. Don't read too much into it.
06-03-2014 07:24 AM
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RE: HUGE Loss
Understand the Jason Kemp move for sure but the Jordan M move is disappointing for sure. Disagree somewhat that this is not an issue...staff stability is a real thing for young folks...revolving door of assistants is surprising...cant be good for recruiting...might also say that these assistants don't feel that TK will be a person to tie your future to.
One other issue is that when a mid-major pays a goodly portion of a team salary budget in head coach salary it is hard to pay the assistants well. Just saying that at this level and with UTs level of institutional support, our assistants might not be making all that much and when given the chance for more $$, they have to take the move. Tk has made this work so far so I'm confident he will have a good staff when things start again for mens hoops.
06-03-2014 09:26 AM
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Jason Kalsow who's been an assistant the longest made $72K in 2012. During that same time period Angres Thorpe was making $111K and Ryan Pedon was making $96K. I would say those are very competitive MAC salaries.
06-03-2014 10:11 AM
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(06-03-2014 10:11 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Jason Kalsow who's been an assistant the longest made $72K in 2012. During that same time period Angres Thorpe was making $111K and Ryan Pedon was making $96K. I would say those are very competitive MAC salaries.

I agree that often coaches leave because they feel the change will enhance their chances for more money and it might move them closer to a head coaching position. Both are possible here but I think there is another point worth thinking about. I don't know anything about Mike Wells.... even with his 21 yrs of NBA and college coaching experience. It just could be that both Mincey and Bennettt saw their job responsibilities deminish with the addition of Wells..... taking into account his tenure in the NBA. I read an article about how Wells was hired...I think in the Blade. I think Wells met with Coach K's family in Florida. I wonder with Coach K met with the Mincey/Bennett families (in Florida) prior to their being hiring. Lets hope Wells is a good recruiter and we don't have anymore defections. Just speculation, but I think Coach K isn't the easiest guy to get along with.
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(06-03-2014 11:07 AM)Manorhouse guy Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 10:11 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Jason Kalsow who's been an assistant the longest made $72K in 2012. During that same time period Angres Thorpe was making $111K and Ryan Pedon was making $96K. I would say those are very competitive MAC salaries.

I agree that often coaches leave because they feel the change will enhance their chances for more money and it might move them closer to a head coaching position. Both are possible here but I think there is another point worth thinking about. I don't know anything about Mike Wells.... even with his 21 yrs of NBA and college coaching experience. It just could be that both Mincey and Bennettt saw their job responsibilities deminish with the addition of Wells..... taking into account his tenure in the NBA. I read an article about how Wells was hired...I think in the Blade. I think Wells met with Coach K's family in Florida. I wonder with Coach K met with the Mincey/Bennett families (in Florida) prior to their being hiring. Lets hope Wells is a good recruiter and we don't have anymore defections. Just speculation, but I think Coach K isn't the easiest guy to get along with.

If I recall correctly, the Florida meeting was more a matter of timing and convenience...I think TK was on vacation and they decided to meet up while he was down there.
06-03-2014 12:34 PM
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There were a lot of schools looking for a head coach this spring that had La Tech's coach on their short list, he was offered by Tennessee and turned them down. With Memphis and Tulsa out of CUSA La Tech should be able to dominate, when their coach decides to leave he'll have no problem finding a destination. Not a bad star to hitch your wagon to, I wouldn't look at the move as a negative reflection of Toledo or Coach K.
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(06-03-2014 07:09 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 07:06 AM)Dwight Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 05:28 AM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Me too, need stability to stay on top, Mincy was a terrific asst coach who soon will be a head coach somewhere. Wonder why he took a lateral move?

Jason Kemp took a lateral move as well, to be an assistant at Ohio.

Kemp was an asst coach at North Dakota for years, and OU's new coach is the former North Dakota HC. So that is understandable. Just like last year AT left to go to UMKC because I believe it was his best friend was hired as the HC.

It's understandable only if you assume that Kemp enjoyed working under Phillips more than he enjoyed working under Kowalczyk. Or else if you assume that coaching at OU is somehow a better job than coaching at UT. Pay, maybe? I don't know.
06-03-2014 01:08 PM
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(06-03-2014 01:08 PM)Dwight Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 07:09 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 07:06 AM)Dwight Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 05:28 AM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Me too, need stability to stay on top, Mincy was a terrific asst coach who soon will be a head coach somewhere. Wonder why he took a lateral move?

Jason Kemp took a lateral move as well, to be an assistant at Ohio.

Kemp was an asst coach at North Dakota for years, and OU's new coach is the former North Dakota HC. So that is understandable. Just like last year AT left to go to UMKC because I believe it was his best friend was hired as the HC.

It's understandable only if you assume that Kemp enjoyed working under Phillips more than he enjoyed working under Kowalczyk. Or else if you assume that coaching at OU is somehow a better job than coaching at UT. Pay, maybe? I don't know.

Look at it this way - if you had a job for 6-7 years, with the same boss that you liked and were comfortable with and knew what he expected, but got a job offer doing practically the same thing, but for more pay and with a better company, you'd probably take it. Then, a year later, your former boss takes a new job with an equal competitor and then offers you a job doing basically the same thing you did for him before. What would you do?

Some of you look way too much into some of these coaching changes. If you look at the resume of a lot of assistant coaches, you'll see a lot are only at a place for a couple years or so.
06-03-2014 01:56 PM
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(06-03-2014 01:56 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 01:08 PM)Dwight Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 07:09 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 07:06 AM)Dwight Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 05:28 AM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Me too, need stability to stay on top, Mincy was a terrific asst coach who soon will be a head coach somewhere. Wonder why he took a lateral move?

Jason Kemp took a lateral move as well, to be an assistant at Ohio.

Kemp was an asst coach at North Dakota for years, and OU's new coach is the former North Dakota HC. So that is understandable. Just like last year AT left to go to UMKC because I believe it was his best friend was hired as the HC.

It's understandable only if you assume that Kemp enjoyed working under Phillips more than he enjoyed working under Kowalczyk. Or else if you assume that coaching at OU is somehow a better job than coaching at UT. Pay, maybe? I don't know.

Look at it this way - if you had a job for 6-7 years, with the same boss that you liked and were comfortable with and knew what he expected, but got a job offer doing practically the same thing, but for more pay and with a better company, you'd probably take it. Then, a year later, your former boss takes a new job with an equal competitor and then offers you a job doing basically the same thing you did for him before. What would you do?

Some of you look way too much into some of these coaching changes. If you look at the resume of a lot of assistant coaches, you'll see a lot are only at a place for a couple years or so.

Not to belabor the point but the coach at LaTech (White) has some pretty impressive athletic heredity....father is AD at Duke, brother is AD at Buffalo, and younger brother is Asst. AD at LaTech. Mincey may not have the experience (in coaching years) to be head coach if/when White leaves...if that's the reason he left Toledo. A few years ago we had Spence come Toledo with a zillion years of coaching history and he hasn't gone anywhere since. Hopefully Wells pans out.
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wouldn't be shocked to see mincy interview for a hc job in toledo some time in the future. he has respect throughout the mac, knows the league and may well be a mac hc in 3 or 4 years.
06-21-2014 03:37 AM
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