(06-03-2014 07:44 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 04:46 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 03:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Right. You were the boner clown who shouted "markets markets markets" !!! when we were losing schools like WVU and Pitt and adding the likes of Houston, SMU, Memphis, and UCF. You were one of those morons who didn't realize it is penetration of a market, not mere presence in it, that matters. You predicted huge media dollars for those markets, not realizing that if Houston and Memphis were hugely valuable, they'd already have been scooped by P5 before and wouldn't be lying around in C-USA for us to backfill from!

Your short-term memory is zero. Good for you, bad for all of us.

You just love to steer *hit on this board, don't you spinquo!?! Any accomplishments this league achieves, you dump all over it... Door its that way ------------> so pretty please with sugar on top, F-OFF.

WTF? I cheered for Houston vs LSU, and congratulated Houston and UofL for winning their regionals.

My comment in this thread was a specific response to a comment about the likelihood of us achieving "power" status, a topic raised by the other post, not me. So buy a clue, eh?

I know you did... My response was mainly at you, spinning AAC threads 9 out 10... It gets old and quite annoying after a while, I must tell you.

so do the 'head in the sand', rose colored glasses, sunshine pumping bs posts from people who can't/choose not to see reality

Reality:



What else is there?

You've become such a douche that you've lost sight of why we really enjoy watching college sports.

14 dove at my bird feeder. Taste so good wrapped in bacon with a jalepeno

(06-03-2014 07:44 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 04:46 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 03:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Right. You were the boner clown who shouted "markets markets markets" !!! when we were losing schools like WVU and Pitt and adding the likes of Houston, SMU, Memphis, and UCF. You were one of those morons who didn't realize it is penetration of a market, not mere presence in it, that matters. You predicted huge media dollars for those markets, not realizing that if Houston and Memphis were hugely valuable, they'd already have been scooped by P5 before and wouldn't be lying around in C-USA for us to backfill from!

Your short-term memory is zero. Good for you, bad for all of us.

You just love to steer *hit on this board, don't you spinquo!?! Any accomplishments this league achieves, you dump all over it... Door its that way ------------> so pretty please with sugar on top, F-OFF.

WTF? I cheered for Houston vs LSU, and congratulated Houston and UofL for winning their regionals.

My comment in this thread was a specific response to a comment about the likelihood of us achieving "power" status, a topic raised by the other post, not me. So buy a clue, eh?

I know you did... My response was mainly at you, spinning AAC threads 9 out 10... It gets old and quite annoying after a while, I must tell you.

so do the 'head in the sand', rose colored glasses, sunshine pumping bs posts from people who can't/choose not to see reality

Yes, and the sunshine pumping outnumbers the realistic posts about 20 to 1 around here. You would think people would have tired of that long ago.

Go figure.

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(06-03-2014 05:52 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 03:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 12:26 PM)Brian Reading Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:54 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  LOL! You have no clue..

They're picking off markets, douchebag.

Right. You were the boner clown who shouted "markets markets markets" !!! when we were losing schools like WVU and Pitt and adding the likes of Houston, SMU, Memphis, and UCF. You were one of those morons who didn't realize it is penetration of a market, not mere presence in it, that matters. You predicted huge media dollars for those markets, not realizing that if Houston and Memphis were hugely valuable, they'd already have been scooped by P5 before and wouldn't be lying around in C-USA for us to backfill from!

Your short-term memory is zero. Good for you, bad for all of us.

Going to say it, you're one of the most annoying members of this board. I cringe when I read your posts. Let me ask you a quick question though, are sports winners not cyclical? Sometimes Houston wins and sometimes Houston loses, but when Houston wins, they certainly hold the Houston market, and wouldn't have a chance to even do so if they weren't located in the middle of it.

So yes, it's about market penetration, but you can't have market penetration without market presence. By the way, Houston was "scooped" by the so-called P5 long before your school was doing anything.

Feel free to go elsewhere, I've been on this forum a lot longer than yourself. But sorry if my post came off as a shot against Houston, that wasn't the intent. I was just using your case as an example of boner's past idiocy.

Of course Houston has more support when you are winning than losing. I bet if you were hosting that super-regional this weekend, attendance would be a season-best, and not just because Texas would be in town.

But a school that "owns" its market has major, value-added support in its market regardless of whether it is winning or losing. That shows actual ownership of a market.

FWIW, USF doesn't "own" Tampa either, and for the same reason.

What are you ranting about now, estrogen boy?

You simply can leave a thread be that says "This Conference is for Real!" without spouting off...

You are pathetic.

While the majority of us are enjoying the AAC Champion Houston Cougars BLOWING OUT the SEC Champion LSU Tigers, your mind is racing with ways to cheapen the feeling..

What a life you have.

this always makes lsu fans feel better

(06-03-2014 07:44 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 04:46 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 03:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Right. You were the boner clown who shouted "markets markets markets" !!! when we were losing schools like WVU and Pitt and adding the likes of Houston, SMU, Memphis, and UCF. You were one of those morons who didn't realize it is penetration of a market, not mere presence in it, that matters. You predicted huge media dollars for those markets, not realizing that if Houston and Memphis were hugely valuable, they'd already have been scooped by P5 before and wouldn't be lying around in C-USA for us to backfill from!

Your short-term memory is zero. Good for you, bad for all of us.

You just love to steer *hit on this board, don't you spinquo!?! Any accomplishments this league achieves, you dump all over it... Door its that way ------------> so pretty please with sugar on top, F-OFF.

WTF? I cheered for Houston vs LSU, and congratulated Houston and UofL for winning their regionals.

My comment in this thread was a specific response to a comment about the likelihood of us achieving "power" status, a topic raised by the other post, not me. So buy a clue, eh?

I know you did... My response was mainly at you, spinning AAC threads 9 out 10... It gets old and quite annoying after a while, I must tell you.

so do the 'head in the sand', rose colored glasses, sunshine pumping bs posts from people who can't/choose not to see reality

Colored glasses or not, everyone knows the AAC is grossly heavily underpaid.

(06-03-2014 08:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 07:44 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 04:46 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 03:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  You just love to steer *hit on this board, don't you spinquo!?! Any accomplishments this league achieves, you dump all over it... Door its that way ------------> so pretty please with sugar on top, F-OFF.

WTF? I cheered for Houston vs LSU, and congratulated Houston and UofL for winning their regionals.

My comment in this thread was a specific response to a comment about the likelihood of us achieving "power" status, a topic raised by the other post, not me. So buy a clue, eh?

I know you did... My response was mainly at you, spinning AAC threads 9 out 10... It gets old and quite annoying after a while, I must tell you.

so do the 'head in the sand', rose colored glasses, sunshine pumping bs posts from people who can't/choose not to see reality

Colored glasses or not, everyone knows the AAC is grossly heavily underpaid.

I agree....I think we are better than 2mil/yr/team. We are nowhere close to P5 payouts but I think we at least command 5mil/yr+

on that we can agree

(06-03-2014 08:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 07:44 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 04:46 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 03:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  WTF? I cheered for Houston vs LSU, and congratulated Houston and UofL for winning their regionals.

My comment in this thread was a specific response to a comment about the likelihood of us achieving "power" status, a topic raised by the other post, not me. So buy a clue, eh?

I know you did... My response was mainly at you, spinning AAC threads 9 out 10... It gets old and quite annoying after a while, I must tell you.

so do the 'head in the sand', rose colored glasses, sunshine pumping bs posts from people who can't/choose not to see reality

Colored glasses or not, everyone knows the AAC is grossly heavily underpaid.

I agree....I think we are better than 2mil/yr/team. We are nowhere close to P5 payouts but I think we at least command 5mil/yr+

on that we can agree

I'm thinking 8 - 12 mil ea. will be about a good mark right now, but no more.

(06-03-2014 08:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 07:44 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 04:46 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I know you did... My response was mainly at you, spinning AAC threads 9 out 10... It gets old and quite annoying after a while, I must tell you.

so do the 'head in the sand', rose colored glasses, sunshine pumping bs posts from people who can't/choose not to see reality

Colored glasses or not, everyone knows the AAC is grossly heavily underpaid.

I agree....I think we are better than 2mil/yr/team. We are nowhere close to P5 payouts but I think we at least command 5mil/yr+

on that we can agree

I'm thinking 8 - 12 mil ea. will be about a good mark right now, but no more.

Bwahahahaha...

Oh, wait... You're serious...

(06-03-2014 09:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 07:44 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  [/b]

so do the 'head in the sand', rose colored glasses, sunshine pumping bs posts from people who can't/choose not to see reality

Colored glasses or not, everyone knows the AAC is grossly heavily underpaid.

I agree....I think we are better than 2mil/yr/team. We are nowhere close to P5 payouts but I think we at least command 5mil/yr+

on that we can agree

I'm thinking 8 - 12 mil ea. will be about a good mark right now, but no more.

Bwahahahaha...

Oh, wait... You're serious...

Any number is just an arbitrary guess... We're not talking science here, Cherry. The AAC has had a top shelf year... What that's worth over time is a guessing game.

(06-03-2014 08:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Colored glasses or not, everyone knows the AAC is grossly heavily underpaid.

Virtually nobody outside of this forum thinks that. That's because they aren't ardent partisans and are hence less biased.

There is absolutely no evidence that if the AAC media deals were up for bid right now, that they'd command any more money than they did 15 months ago. One factor to bear in mind is that "winning" has virtually nothing to do with media value. E.g., the B1G hasn't won a basketball or football title in more than a decade, and yet it is the most valuable media property, and much more valuable than it was in the early 2000s, when it won both football and basketball national titles.

Media value is about school brand value, nothing more. And the AAC has virtually none of that, no more than we had 15 months ago.

(06-03-2014 08:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I'm thinking 8 - 12 mil ea. will be about a good mark right now, but no more.

Common man, you're just giving them ammunition. This conference needs much more overall football depth and strength at the bottom of the basketball standings (UCF is a part of this) before we can command anything above 5 mil.

(06-04-2014 01:36 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I'm thinking 8 - 12 mil ea. will be about a good mark right now, but no more.

Common man, you're just giving them ammunition. This conference needs much more overall football depth and strength at the bottom of the basketball standings (UCF is a part of this) before we can command anything above 5 mil.

It's simpler than that... all we need is lots of fans and eyeballs...hell, even just lots of eyeballs. I guess good depth would draw attention...either way.

(06-04-2014 01:36 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I'm thinking 8 - 12 mil ea. will be about a good mark right now, but no more.

Common man, you're just giving them ammunition. This conference needs much more overall football depth and strength at the bottom of the basketball standings (UCF is a part of this) before we can command anything above 5 mil.

I'm not worry about the haters and trolls, NBK... They can grab all the ammunition they want... I may have gone a little over board with the 10+, but that's what I think this league is worth.

Remember, this isn't a lueage with a bunch of new start-ups... This league is loaded with programs who've been there before, programs who understand what it takes to be on the top and aren't afraid to compete, face those in the so called p5.

I could go on, but you get my drift.

Yes the AAC is for real. it is the #6 conference in a 5 conference system.

(06-04-2014 03:12 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I may have gone a little over board with the 10+, but that's what I think this league is worth.

Remember, this isn't a league with a bunch of new start-ups... This league is loaded with programs who've been there before, programs who understand what it takes to be on the top and aren't afraid to compete, face those in the so called p5.

I agree with all of this: Our programs include many that have competed against the P5 and have had their share of success.

Unfortunately, that has little or nothing to do with the media value of a school or conference.

(06-03-2014 08:54 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  To get a proactive invite, you really need to bring big value-added to the table to merit it. And that is harder to do.

LOL! You have no clue..

They're picking off markets, douchebag. It's not about the Rutgers/Maryland brands.. It's location, location, location..

Good point. Big Ten certainly didn't target best or even top or in case of RU, good football and basketball programs...Big Ten went for LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION to help their tv network increase their revenue pie for decades to decades to come.

(06-04-2014 06:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:54 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  To get a proactive invite, you really need to bring big value-added to the table to merit it. And that is harder to do.

LOL! You have no clue..

They're picking off markets, douchebag. It's not about the Rutgers/Maryland brands.. It's location, location, location..

Good point. Big Ten certainly didn't target best or even top or in case of RU, good football and basketball programs...Big Ten went for LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION to help their tv network increase their revenue pie for decades to decades to come.

No question, the B1G chose Maryland and Rutgers based to a significant extent on their location. They are flagship schools in states that bordered existing B1G states, and allow the B1G to extend its reach into the lucrative "northeast corridor". And, the nature of the BTN allows the B1G to make money off of them even if they don't dominate their markets.

Nevertheless, Rutgers and Maryland are obviously different enough from AAC schools in critical ways, otherwise, AAC schools that are in major markets (e.g., USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Temple, Cincy) would have been snapped up by P5 conferences for their LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.

But we haven't been.

So clearly, the overwhelming evidence is that to get a pro-active P5 invite, in other words, to be valued at P5-level in a context where the P5 conference isn't desperate for a warm body because of a raid, you need to have a valuable brand name. Mere presence in a big market isn't nearly good enough. You have to "own" or at least "deliver" that market to a significant extent, plus have a significant national profile too.

AAC schools are located in big markets, but we don't come close to dominating them. Believe me, as a USF fan who has seen far more Florida and FSU car flags fluttering around town on Autumn Saturdays in Tampa than USF car flags, I know what that means.

Failure to grasp this simple fact was what led many around here to falsely think that by adding "big markets" like Houston, Dallas, Memphis, and Orlando during the last wave of back-fill that the new Big East/AAC was headed for a big payday, maybe even a bigger one than if we had never swapped the likes of Pitt, Cuse, and WVU for the new schools to begin with. That belief disregarded the obvious question of "if schools/markets like Houston, UCF/Orlando, and Temple/Philly are so darn valuable, why isn't C-USA making the same media money as the ACC"?

But sunshiners ignore things like that ...

(06-04-2014 07:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 06:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:54 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  To get a proactive invite, you really need to bring big value-added to the table to merit it. And that is harder to do.

LOL! You have no clue..

They're picking off markets, douchebag. It's not about the Rutgers/Maryland brands.. It's location, location, location..

Good point. Big Ten certainly didn't target best or even top or in case of RU, good football and basketball programs...Big Ten went for LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION to help their tv network increase their revenue pie for decades to decades to come.

No question, the B1G chose Maryland and Rutgers based to a significant extent on their location. They are flagship schools in states that bordered existing B1G states, and allow the B1G to extend its reach into the lucrative "northeast corridor". And, the nature of the BTN allows the B1G to make money off of them even if they don't dominate their markets.

Hence the post from the previous poster.

(06-04-2014 07:48 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 07:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 06:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:54 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 08:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  To get a proactive invite, you really need to bring big value-added to the table to merit it. And that is harder to do.

LOL! You have no clue..

They're picking off markets, douchebag. It's not about the Rutgers/Maryland brands.. It's location, location, location..

Good point. Big Ten certainly didn't target best or even top or in case of RU, good football and basketball programs...Big Ten went for LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION to help their tv network increase their revenue pie for decades to decades to come.

No question, the B1G chose Maryland and Rutgers based to a significant extent on their location. They are flagship schools in states that bordered existing B1G states, and allow the B1G to extend its reach into the lucrative "northeast corridor". And, the nature of the BTN allows the B1G to make money off of them even if they don't dominate their markets.

Hence the post from the previous poster.

Looks like the "Nevertheless ..." part escaped you. And that part was important.

(06-04-2014 03:12 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I'm not worry about the haters and trolls, NBK... They can grab all the ammunition they want... I may have gone a little over board with the 10+, but that's what I think this league is worth.

Remember, this isn't a lueage with a bunch of new start-ups... This league is loaded with programs who've been there before, programs who understand what it takes to be on the top and aren't afraid to compete, face those in the so called p5.

I could go on, but you get my drift.

Why not just ask for the moon?