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Mick Cronin tops Bob Huggins, Chris Mack on ESPN list
Mick Cronin tops Bob Huggins, Chris Mack on ESPN list

David Clark, dclark2@cincinna.gannett.com 12:32 p.m. EDT June 2, 2014

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Cincinnati head coach Mick Cronin and West Virginia head coach Bob Huggins discuss a call with an official in January of 2010.(Photo: Enquirer file)

Cincinnati Bearcats head coach Mick Cronin ranks 27th on ESPN.com's top 50 coaches in college basketball.

Former UC head coach Bob Huggins, now at West Virginia, is just three spots behind Cronin at No. 30. Xavier's Chris Mack ranks 43rd on the list.

Ranked even slightly higher than Cronin - at No. 26 - is Dayton's Archie Miller.

The website indicates that the rankings are decided by the "ESPN Forecast panel" of nearly 100 ESPN writers, editors, broadcasters and researchers. The coaches were rated on all aspects of running a program, on a scale of 1-10.

Nos. 1 through 24 have yet to be revealed.

Here's what Eamonn Brennan had to say about Miller, Cronin, Huggins and Mack:

No. 26: Archie Miller, Dayton

There's nothing like an Elite Eight run to boost your stock, huh? The panel may be falling for a little bit of recency bias here, but there's no question Miller belongs on the list. In 2013-14, he took a team that started conference play 1-5 and turned it into one that would upend Ohio State, Syracuse and Stanford -- and galvanize a joyous, resolute Flyers fan base -- in the year's most memorable tournament run.

No. 27: Mick Cronin, Cincinnati

The Bearcats' 2013-14 season didn't end the way Cronin would have preferred; Cincinnati picked the wrong time to go cold, and was promptly upset by No. 12 seed Harvard, in its first tournament game this spring. But Cronin's most recent season was still his best in the eight years since he took over for the deposed Bob Huggins, the culmination of a slow, steady build that should keep Cincinnati at or near the top of the American for the foreseeable future.

No. 30: Bob Huggins, West Virginia

Huggins is a well-respected basketball mind if not always the paragon of virtue (not that I'm one to judge) among colleagues and media members, but he's at a pretty interesting place at West Virginia presently. Last season was a mild disappointment. For all the Mountaineers' offensive brilliance -- and Juwan Staten was one of the best guards in the country in the last couple of months of the season -- their un-Huggy-like defense kept them out of the tournament. Staten is back next season, but with Eron Harris transferring, will Huggins have enough around him?

No. 43: Chris Mack, Xavier

Mack has been steady at Xavier, missing the tournament just once in his four years. He did an especially nice job with a young team in 2013-14, but will have to replace NBA-bound sophomore guard Semaj Christon.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/blogs/20...s/9868827/
 
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And only rightly so. Cronin is currently far and away better than Huggins is currently or Mack ever has been.
 
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cronin's most recent season was his best? oh right! he never made a sweet sixteen. forgot about that
 
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(06-02-2014 04:15 PM)Lush Wrote:  cronin's most recent season was his best? oh right! he never made a sweet sixteen. forgot about that

In terms of regular season success and rankings, NCAA seed, overall win total, individual player awards, and a conference championship it was.
 
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(06-02-2014 04:25 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  
(06-02-2014 04:15 PM)Lush Wrote:  cronin's most recent season was his best? oh right! he never made a sweet sixteen. forgot about that

In terms of regular season success and rankings, NCAA seed, overall win total, individual player awards, and a conference championship it was.

all done in a watered down league. last year's team was good, just not as balanced as the sweet sixteen year
 
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I get the Elite Eight run but given the choice between Cronin and Miller I'm taking Mick every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
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The media likes to jump on the bandwagon.

Archie at 26 seems a bit high

UD was a disappointment in the regular season and were fortunate to get into the tourney.
 
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(06-02-2014 04:15 PM)Lush Wrote:  cronin's most recent season was his best? oh right! he never made a sweet sixteen. forgot about that

Or Elite Eight or Final Fours. LMAO.
 
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(06-02-2014 05:01 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(06-02-2014 04:25 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  
(06-02-2014 04:15 PM)Lush Wrote:  cronin's most recent season was his best? oh right! he never made a sweet sixteen. forgot about that

In terms of regular season success and rankings, NCAA seed, overall win total, individual player awards, and a conference championship it was.

all done in a watered down league. last year's team was good, just not as balanced as the sweet sixteen year

I like the Sweet 16 team better as well but I was just posting facts that some would use to argue that last year was Mick's best year. He did win a coach of the year award too.

Last year the team had a lot of success in January and February which helped build fan interest while the 2012 Bearcats got better every month of the season after the fight with Xavier. The 2012 team is one my favorite Bearcat teams because they had some many memorable moments while the 2014 edition never seemed achieved that outside of senior night and the win at Louisville.

By the way I agree that Mick belongs somewhere in the top 30. Good coach that has room to improve but is still young enough to become elite.

Huggins was a no doubt top 10 guy for most of his career. Right now I would struggle to put him much higher than 30. All time great coach on the downside of his career.
 
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(06-02-2014 06:17 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Huggins was a no doubt top 10 guy for most of his career. Right now I would struggle to put him much higher than 30. All time great coach on the downside of his career.

He'll be in the HOF one day. Don't be surprised if they're a Top 15 team next year either.

I scrolled down the list thinking I'd get to #1 and saw Archie Miller at #26. Ha! Looks like they're only considering what's happened lately and overvaluing tournament runs. Cronin should be higher.
 
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Don't want to start anything here, but does Huggins get into the Hall of Fame with no National Championships? Could end up in the top 10 all-time win list depending on how long he coaches.
 
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(06-02-2014 06:35 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Don't want to start anything here, but does Huggins get into the Hall of Fame with no National Championships? Could end up in the top 10 all-time win list depending on how long he coaches.

What Jay Bilas wants, Jay Bilas gets! 02-13-banana

Yes, Bob Huggins is a Hall of Fame coach. Look at what he's done wherever he's been and it's pretty clear he belongs with the other all-time greats. Would Boeheim have gotten in had Carmelo not come along? Yeah, but it sped up the process.
 
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(06-02-2014 06:35 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Don't want to start anything here, but does Huggins get into the Hall of Fame with no National Championships? Could end up in the top 10 all-time win list depending on how long he coaches.

He will get in. If he can get a national championship he will get in prior to retirement.
 
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I like Cronin. The guy has restored our basketball program. I give him major props for that. Plus he is an alum, and I want this guy to have all the success imaginable.

However we gotta score points. In a sport where the sole goal is to put the ball in the hole, I find it strange that UC has consistently struggled to do just that. We seem to now have a solid corps of young players who have put up loads of points in highschool. So if Cronin can't develop at least a couple of these guys into solid scorers at the college level in the next 2 to 3 years, then I think maybe we start looking around. Elite defense is great, but it clearly isn't winning us or anyone else championships on its own. Proficient, efficient offenses ARE. I hope he can do it, I want him to do it.
 
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(06-02-2014 06:07 PM)dossbig Wrote:  
(06-02-2014 04:15 PM)Lush Wrote:  cronin's most recent season was his best? oh right! he never made a sweet sixteen. forgot about that

Or Elite Eight or Final Fours. LMAO.

no doubt. i would have huggs above mick, and obviously mick above the flavor of the month. no disrespect to archie. he's a good coach and the flyers have been my second favorite team for some time now
 
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(06-02-2014 10:37 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  I like Cronin. The guy has restored our basketball program. I give him major props for that. Plus he is an alum, and I want this guy to have all the success imaginable.

However we gotta score points. In a sport where the sole goal is to put the ball in the hole, I find it strange that UC has consistently struggled to do just that. We seem to now have a solid corps of young players who have put up loads of points in highschool. So if Cronin can't develop at least a couple of these guys into solid scorers at the college level in the next 2 to 3 years, then I think maybe we start looking around. Elite defense is great, but it clearly isn't winning us or anyone else championships on its own. Proficient, efficient offenses ARE. I hope he can do it, I want him to do it.

I know you put a lot of caveats in there, etc. but any talk of UC maybe needing to start looking around in the next 2-3 years is way off base imo. Offense, defense - who cares how it gets done? As Mick (and Huggs for that matter) often say: even the best shooters get hot and cold, but defense and rebounding are about coaching and effort. That's why they focus on it (not that they don't want shooters too obviously). The bottom line is wins and Mick seems to be getting better and better at getting his team to do just that. Despite the hype, the post-season is typically hit-or-miss for just about every team, coach and program. Drawing major conclusions from small sample sizes is a fool's errand.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that Mick has plateaued as the 30th best coach in college basketball. Do you really think UC can afford, attract and keep any of the top 29 for the long term? Mick needs and deserves the full support of our fanbase imo.
 
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Bearcathawkeye- If uc is going to be the 30th best program in hoops under Mick than uc will need to move on. expectations should be higher than that. however, I firmly believe uc is on the verge of being a top15 program once more and trust mick will be here for a long time.
 
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Back in the "H" days, fans were consistently forced to endure will he stay or will he go. I think most would agree those all to frequent situations were not pleasant. I am so happy that is not happening now.

Secondly, we have a coach whose players have mostly stayed clear of off-court issues, and when incidents have occurred, he has taken the appropriate action.

He has managed to keep an excellent assistant coaching staff. Stability is a very good thing.

It took time for Mick to establish himself as a respected head coach, and time for him to build a national reputation. During that time, he has recruited primarily in the East and South. Looks to me that we are now recruiting additional areas including the West. A national reputation has a lot to do with that. It's an indicator.

We continue to move in the right direction, maybe not as fast as some would hope, but forward. Like others, I think next year will be challenging for both the coaches and the fans, and the season after next could be exceptional.

Mick is a local guy, and you can't beat that.

He is worth every $ he negotiates.
 
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(06-03-2014 09:52 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  Back in the "H" days, fans were consistently forced to endure will he stay or will he go. I think most would agree those all to frequent situations were not pleasant. I am so happy that is not happening now.

Secondly, we have a coach whose players have mostly stayed clear of off-court issues, and when incidents have occurred, he has taken the appropriate action.

He has managed to keep an excellent assistant coaching staff. Stability is a very good thing.

It took time for Mick to establish himself as a respected head coach, and time for him to build a national reputation. During that time, he has recruited primarily in the East and South. Looks to me that we are now recruiting additional areas including the West. A national reputation has a lot to do with that. It's an indicator.

We continue to move in the right direction, maybe not as fast as some would hope, but forward. Like others, I think next year will be challenging for both the coaches and the fans, and the season after next could be exceptional.

Mick is a local guy, and you can't beat that.

He is worth every $ he negotiates.

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(06-03-2014 09:57 AM)ctipton Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 09:52 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  Back in the "H" days, fans were consistently forced to endure will he stay or will he go. I think most would agree those all to frequent situations were not pleasant. I am so happy that is not happening now.

Secondly, we have a coach whose players have mostly stayed clear of off-court issues, and when incidents have occurred, he has taken the appropriate action.

He has managed to keep an excellent assistant coaching staff. Stability is a very good thing.

It took time for Mick to establish himself as a respected head coach, and time for him to build a national reputation. During that time, he has recruited primarily in the East and South. Looks to me that we are now recruiting additional areas including the West. A national reputation has a lot to do with that. It's an indicator.

We continue to move in the right direction, maybe not as fast as some would hope, but forward. Like others, I think next year will be challenging for both the coaches and the fans, and the season after next could be exceptional.

Mick is a local guy, and you can't beat that.

He is worth every $ he negotiates.

01-ncaabbs x2

Wrong. X3!
 
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