(06-03-2014 01:47 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  When electric costs go up, it will hit the lower income folks the hardest, simply because they send a higher percentage of the limited incomes on utilities. It will also hurt the middle classes. The upper income folks won't even notice. Another way Obama has exacerbated the inequality gap.

It hurts manufacturing jobs and increases health care costs too.

So does smog generated from burning coal.

Not compared to having no electricity. dumb***.

(06-03-2014 01:47 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  When electric costs go up, it will hit the lower income folks the hardest, simply because they send a higher percentage of the limited incomes on utilities. It will also hurt the middle classes. The upper income folks won't even notice. Another way Obama has exacerbated the inequality gap.

It hurts manufacturing jobs and increases health care costs too.

So does smog generated from burning coal.

Then please tell me the non-combustion power generation options that you would like the US to implement that can replace the 50% loss in the energy portfolio closing the coal and NG would create?

(06-03-2014 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  When electric costs go up, it will hit the lower income folks the hardest, simply because they send a higher percentage of the limited incomes on utilities. It will also hurt the middle classes. The upper income folks won't even notice. Another way Obama has exacerbated the inequality gap.

It hurts manufacturing jobs and increases health care costs too.

It's going to cause a spike in everything from peanut butter to heating schools and hospitals. This will indeed, if implemented as laid out, suck trillions from an otherwise very anemic economy, and quite correctly, as mentioned above, it will hit the poor and struggling disproportionately.

zerO's war on the lower and middle classes continues.

Nice job, progs!


Hopey-Changey!

(06-03-2014 02:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  When electric costs go up, it will hit the lower income folks the hardest, simply because they send a higher percentage of the limited incomes on utilities. It will also hurt the middle classes. The upper income folks won't even notice. Another way Obama has exacerbated the inequality gap.

It hurts manufacturing jobs and increases health care costs too.

It's going to cause a spike in everything from peanut butter to heating schools and hospitals. This will indeed, if implemented as laid out, suck trillions from an otherwise very anemic economy, and quite correctly, as mentioned above, it will hit the poor and struggling disproportionately.

zerO's war on the lower and middle classes continues.

Nice job, progs!


Hopey-Changey!

it will wreck the economy well after the obamites are no longer responsible for it -- it's sorta the same reason that the more destructive portions of ACA were delayed until the obamas had retired to hawaii.

(06-03-2014 02:16 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:47 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  When electric costs go up, it will hit the lower income folks the hardest, simply because they send a higher percentage of the limited incomes on utilities. It will also hurt the middle classes. The upper income folks won't even notice. Another way Obama has exacerbated the inequality gap.

It hurts manufacturing jobs and increases health care costs too.

So does smog generated from burning coal.

Then please tell me the non-combustion power generation options that you would like the US to implement that can replace the 50% loss in the energy portfolio closing the coal and NG would create?

I didn't say anything about NG.

Coal has been losing market share in the U.S. for years. Fracking has destroyed the coal industry. NG is easier to extract, easier to transport, cleaner burning, and NG plants can be quickly cycled up and down by demand. They are also considerably more efficient than coal plants.

(06-03-2014 02:58 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:16 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:47 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  When electric costs go up, it will hit the lower income folks the hardest, simply because they send a higher percentage of the limited incomes on utilities. It will also hurt the middle classes. The upper income folks won't even notice. Another way Obama has exacerbated the inequality gap.

It hurts manufacturing jobs and increases health care costs too.

So does smog generated from burning coal.

Then please tell me the non-combustion power generation options that you would like the US to implement that can replace the 50% loss in the energy portfolio closing the coal and NG would create?

I didn't say anything about NG.

Coal has been losing market share in the U.S. for years. Fracking has destroyed the coal industry. NG is easier to extract, easier to transport, cleaner burning, and NG plants can be quickly cycled up and down by demand. They are also considerably more efficient than coal plants.

Agreed. But since the market is already quickly heading in the direction, why create a law that will simply exacerbate what is currently an orderly transition?

(06-03-2014 02:58 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:16 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:47 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  When electric costs go up, it will hit the lower income folks the hardest, simply because they send a higher percentage of the limited incomes on utilities. It will also hurt the middle classes. The upper income folks won't even notice. Another way Obama has exacerbated the inequality gap.

It hurts manufacturing jobs and increases health care costs too.

So does smog generated from burning coal.

Then please tell me the non-combustion power generation options that you would like the US to implement that can replace the 50% loss in the energy portfolio closing the coal and NG would create?

I didn't say anything about NG.

Coal has been losing market share in the U.S. for years. Fracking has destroyed the coal industry. NG is easier to extract, easier to transport, cleaner burning, and NG plants can be quickly cycled up and down by demand. They are also considerably more efficient than coal plants.

Maybe we should keep burning coal until the more efficient NG plants are on board. You know, kind of have something of an orderly transfer that I'm guessing the utilities would go to if it helped their bottom line.

This? This will just add another nail into the coffin that is our economy right now. All in the name of ideological purity.

What a horrible leader this man has turned out to be.

(06-03-2014 02:58 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 02:16 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:47 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:07 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  When electric costs go up, it will hit the lower income folks the hardest, simply because they send a higher percentage of the limited incomes on utilities. It will also hurt the middle classes. The upper income folks won't even notice. Another way Obama has exacerbated the inequality gap.

It hurts manufacturing jobs and increases health care costs too.

So does smog generated from burning coal.

Then please tell me the non-combustion power generation options that you would like the US to implement that can replace the 50% loss in the energy portfolio closing the coal and NG would create?

I didn't say anything about NG.

Coal has been losing market share in the U.S. for years. Fracking has destroyed the coal industry. NG is easier to extract, easier to transport, cleaner burning, and NG plants can be quickly cycled up and down by demand. They are also considerably more efficient than coal plants.

More of you don't know what you're talking about.

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/d...ews=850566

Quote:The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) reported last week that U.S. power plants in the past year have actually increased their use of coal while decreasing their use of natural gas, reversing a recent trend from gas to coal. Specifically, coal’s share of domestic power generation in the first quarter of 2013 averaged 39.5%, up 4.1% from 35.4% last year. The share for natural gas dropped 3.7%, from 29.5% to 25.8%. The agency also predicts that coal use will continue to grow, with 40.1% of electricity generated by coal through 2014, while natural gas use will fall to 27.3%.